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    Ukraine almost war mega thread

    So the Ukraine has just announced that it is pulling out of the Minsk peace talks process. This is very unsettling news.

    It's just coming down the news wires now. Only RT has officially reported so far.


    With tensions rising in Donbass, Ukraine pulls out of Minsk peace talks: Kiev refuses to meet Russia & OSCE in Belarusian capital — RT Russia & Former Soviet Union
    The Ukrainian delegation to peace talks on settling the conflict in Donbass will refuse to attend any discussions if they continue to be held in Minsk. Kiev accused Belarus of “hostile rhetoric” and being “influenced” by Russia.

    The Trilateral Contact Group is made up of Ukraine, Russia and the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE), and in September 2014, representatives from all three parties signed the Minsk Protocol, an agreement to end the Donbass war. Now, with worries that fighting may flare up again, there have been proposals to head back to the Belarusian capital for further talks
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    A mega thread!

    Just what the doctor called for.

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    If this is gonna be a mega thread we will require greater participation.

    Even our American/European/Latin American/Burkinabe expert is MIA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by russellsimpson View Post
    A mega thread!

    Just what the doctor called for.
    War is almost guaranteed at this point considering one party has withdrawn from a 7 year long peace talks process .

    Which is why this will require it's own thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by russellsimpson View Post
    A mega thread!

    Just what the doctor called for.
    the only mega about this thread is the morons posting in it

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRealKW View Post
    the only mega about this thread is the morons posting in it
    Exactly. Get ready for an avalanche of RT propaganda shit posts from the usual idiots.

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    So far no western news outlets are reporting this huge news. Edit

    I had no idea what News front even was.

    Ukraine will never again attend Donbass talks in Minsk — chief negotiator - World - TASS
    Last edited by Backspin; 07-04-2021 at 09:18 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    So far no western news outlets are reporting this huge news. The only thing I could find is NewsFront.
    probably because this is not "huge news", not even news..

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    Get ready for an avalanche of RT propaganda shit posts from the usual idiots.
    First case in point...


    Quote Originally Posted by lom View Post
    "News Front has always been a reliable source of disinformation. The site, operated from illegally annexed Crimea, is ambitiously publishing lies in eight languages. The site has been praising Hitler, it has claimed that Britain is becoming Islamic and hinted that the yellow vests movement in France is a US project to get rid of Macron. For years, we have counted on News Front to tell lies, nothing but lies and all the lies."

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    Quote Originally Posted by lom View Post
    The site has been praising Hitler, it has claimed that Britain is becoming Islamic and hinted that the yellow vests movement in France is a US project to get rid of Macron.
    So, pretty much all that Skidmark believes in

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    So, pretty much all that Skidmark believes in
    yes and he is to fucking dumb to understand what it means when his "news" only appears in one single place on the net.
    Anyone with a functional brain would draw the right conclusion from that.

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    This is how it goes. Ukraine - not Russia - pulled out of the Minsk peace process. But the Western media just doesn't report it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lom View Post
    probably because this is not "huge news", not even news..

    News Front | StopFake

    "News Front has always been a reliable source of disinformation. The site, operated from illegally annexed Crimea, is ambitiously publishing lies in eight languages. The site has been praising Hitler, it has claimed that Britain is becoming Islamic and hinted that the yellow vests movement in France is a US project to get rid of Macron. For years, we have counted on News Front to tell lies, nothing but lies and all the lies."

    Dutch dispute highlights problems facing anti-propaganda campaign (EUvsDisinfo)

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    A website exposing Kremlin propaganda must have sounded compelling to European leaders. But the trials of EUvsDisinfo.eu have laid bare the pitfalls for official campaigns tackling false news. Even as the UK nerve agent attack triggers claims and counter-claims between Moscow and western capitals, the EU’s in-house online anti-disinformation effort is wobbling. Its website was forced in February to retract three accusations of disinformation against Dutch news media, in a case that spawned outrage in the Netherlands. The bruising battle has emboldened critics who argue Brussels’ tactic is fundamentally wrong.



    EUvsDisinfo is the brainchild of the East StratCom task force set up by EU leaders in 2015, the year after Russia annexed Crimea. The site claims to have exposed more than 3,500 examples of disinformation in at least 18 languages, based on data provided by a network made up largely of non-governmental groups. The style is punchy and confrontational. The site’s slogan — “Question even more” — is a mocking echo of Russian television station RT’s “Question more”

    The site sparked criticism when it cited articles on the websites of Dutch media groups De Gelderlander, GeenStijl and The Post Online. After complaints by the publishers, Dutch MPs and the country’s liberal interior minister, EUvsDisinfo announced on March 8 that it was removing the pieces from its disinformation database. It said it was taking steps to improve its internal procedures.

    The case revealed weakness in the site’s operations, including its reliance on NGOs with their own agendas, according to people with knowledge of the matter. One article was mistranslated by non-Dutch speakers at a Ukrainian NGO, while another was satire that the complainant mistakenly took at face value. Critics also point to the absence of any mechanism to appeal decisions and the inevitable reputational damage that ensues from being criticised on the database without warning. The embarrassment has delighted the site’s opponents. Vladimir Chizhov, Russia’s ambassador to the EU, said “both the idea and the execution” were flawed. “I can think of a thousand ways of spending money more effectively,” he added.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lom View Post
    yes and he is to fucking dumb to understand what it means when his "news" only appears in one single place on the net.
    Anyone with a functional brain would draw the right conclusion from that.
    Wow. Just wow. So... You think that Ukraine is still attending the Minsk negotiations and Russia is making this story up out of whole cloth.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    Wow. Just wow. So... You think that Ukraine is still attending the Minsk negotiations and Russia is making this story up out of whole cloth.
    Actually, the Ukraine has never cared about the Minsk conclusions, bombarding the Donbass and Luhansk areas, killing own people there...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    Wow. Just wow. So... You think that Ukraine is still attending the Minsk negotiations and Russia is making this story up out of whole cloth.
    Your 'reasoning' is so warped that you could match FaRT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    Actually, the Ukraine has never cared about the Minsk conclusions, bombarding the Donbass and Luhansk areas, killing own people there...

    I know that.

    Its a whole other thing when the suits walk away from an official negotiation process. Its basically a declaration of war. The Ukraine is declaring war.
    Last edited by Backspin; 07-04-2021 at 10:50 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    Your 'reasoning' is so warped that you could match FaRT.
    iom said
    yes and he is to fucking dumb to understand what it means when his "news" only appears in one single place on the net.
    Anyone with a functional brain would draw the right conclusion from that.
    Lets hear your "unwarped" reasoning then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    Actually, the Ukraine has never cared about the Minsk conclusions
    1) It's not "the" Ukraine. It is 'Ukraine'.

    2) Bullshit

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    ^ Impressive, Skidmark.

    What a mega-thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    ^ Impressive, Skidmark.

    What a mega-turd
    FTFY.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    The Ukraine is declaring war.
    Where's the theater, where's the front line?
    Exaggeration by you as usual..

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    Putin Accuses Ukraine of Provocations in Phone Call With Merkel: Kremlin
    By Reuters, Wire Service Content April 8, 2021

    MOSCOW (REUTERS) - Russian President Vladimir Putin accused Ukraine of provocative action in eastern Ukraine that was inflaming the situation there during a phone call with German Chancellor Angela Merkel, the Kremlin said on Thursday.

    In a readout of the call, the Kremlin said that both sides had voiced concerns about the situation in eastern Ukraine. They also discussed the case of jailed Russian opposition politician Alexei Navalny and Libya, the Kremlin said.

    Putin Accuses Ukraine of Provocations in Phone Call With Merkel: Kremlin | World News | US News

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    Opinion and analysis

    Richard Sakwa (born 1953) is Professor of Russian and European politics at theUniversity of Kent. He has written books about Russian and Eastern European communist and post-communist politics.



    (This is from this book review https://www.researchgate.net/publica...ne-Ukraine.pdf

    One such scholar is Richard Sakwa, a well-known specialist in the history of the Soviet Union and contemporary Russia. His new book, Frontline Ukraine: Crisis in the Borderlands(2015),is a description and analysis of the events in and around Ukraine from late 2013 up to,and including,the second half of 2014s

    The author considers the Ukrainian events from the point of view of the dismaying prospects of a new Cold War and a further split between Europe and Russia. He believes that the first,based on a “monistic” model of Western democracy,is aggressively expanding eastward, assisted by NATO, and thus has an anti-Russian orientation

    According to the author, the conflicts in the post-Soviet space are to be explained by the aggressive expansion of the Western, “Atlantic” model eastward. ”In his opinion, the culmination of this process has been the Ukrainian crisis, which has “created a new and irreparable line across the heart of the continent”

    In response to the classic Russian question “Who’s to blame?” the author’s answer is unequivocal:the countries of the West,as a whole, and the USA and NATO,in particular. He also identifies the Eastern European countries as being responsible for anti-Russian sanctions, especially Poland and Lithuania:“There is a group of militantly revanchist powers, with Lithuania and Poland in the vanguard".

    He believes that“Russia under Putin is not a land-grabbing state, it is a profoundly conservative power and its actions are designed to maintain the status quo.”Russia “makes no claim to revise the existing international order, but to make it more inclusive and universal” . Russia refuses “to submit itself to Atlanticist hegemony and global dominance” .In Sakwa’s opinion, Russia is kept busy constantly defending itself against anaggressive West. “The Russo-Georgian war of August 2008 was in effect the first of the ‘wars to stop NATO enlargement’;

    “Putin is rational and pragmatic”;he simply manoeuvres among various political interest groups and is “well practiced in the art of societal management

    “A free and prosperous Ukraine was certainly not something opposed by Russia, but Moscow simply did not understand why this had to be couched in anti-Russian terms and threaten its economic interests”

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