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    All this for a criminal that violently assaulted and robbed a pregnant woman. They could've at least saved their sympathy for someone who deserved it. I'm sure there were many more far more deserving of such outrage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    His hand is not in his pocket. He has a black latex glove on
    Check again, sport. His hand was in his pocket.

    Key takeaways from Day 2 of the Derek Chauvin trial - ABC News
    Hansen, who video recorded some of the episode, said Chauvin, who did not speak to her, "seemed very comfortable" with the majority of his weight balanced on top of Floyd's neck."In my memory, he had his hand in his pocket he looked so comfortable," Hansen said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    All this for a criminal that violently assaulted and robbed a pregnant woman. They could've at least saved their sympathy for someone who deserved it. I'm sure there were many more far more deserving of such outrage.
    Doesn’t make Derek Chouvin less guilty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beachbound View Post
    Doesn’t make Derek Chouvin less guilty.
    Put him away too. But to give Floyd's family $27 million from a city that can not cover it's pension fund? IMO the country has gone insane.
    If Floud had lived a full life, does anyone think his family would have ever seen $27 millions dollars? Do you think they would have ever seen $1 million dollars?
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    Agreed. And I think that 27 million is going to weigh on the minds of the jury.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beachbound View Post
    Agreed. And I think that 27 million is going to weigh on the minds of the jury.
    One would hope not, the two things aren't related, otherwise we'd be spinning into blood-money territory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    All this for a criminal that violently assaulted and robbed a pregnant woman. They could've at least saved their sympathy for someone who deserved it. I'm sure there were many more far more deserving of such outrage.
    Apart from being irrelevant to this case, are you reading the misinformation being spread about George Floyd?

    There are photos of a different woman, who was raped in Spain, as being the victim in the armed robbery case. There is no information about the victim, Aracely Henriquez, being pregnant and Floyd was not charged with assault, but with aggravated robbery with a deadly weapon (he pointed a pistol at the victim).

    The internet is full of absolute crap at the moment and many seem to be taking the information at face value.

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    I did think the defense made some telling points, once you start getting into the fine details of multiple regulations as interpreted by multiple experts, there is always going to be wiggle room.

    BUT, that being said, it seems a bit like arguing exactly how big the iceberg was that sank the Titanic. In the end, the boat still went down.

    However much you slice, dice and parse out the event, the final question will still be - was it reasonable, and my feeling is that in the end (baring any earth shattering revelations by the defense) that video will still underscore a resounding - no.

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    ^Wondering how the proceeding would go if not having so many footages available...

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    ^ Honestly, would probably never come to trial (in my opinion).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    All this for a criminal that violently assaulted and robbed a pregnant woman. They could've at least saved their sympathy for someone who deserved it. I'm sure there were many more far more deserving of such outrage.
    Has anyone told you that you're shit at trolling Hugh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    Put him away too. But to give Floyd's family $27 million from a city that can not cover it's pension fund? IMO the country has gone insane.
    If Floud had lived a full life, does anyone think his family would have ever seen $27 millions dollars? Do you think they would have ever seen $1 million dollars?
    It's as much a punishment as compensation. The cops murdered a member of their family.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beachbound View Post
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    Agreed. And I think that 27 million is going to weigh on the minds of the jury.
    As an admission of guilt, yes. Although I expect they will be asked to disregard it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    Wondering how the proceeding would go if not having so many footages available...
    Video footage of an alleged murder helps the case proceed.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmond View Post
    Video footage of an alleged murder helps the case proceed.


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    It hasn't helped in previous cases. I think the sheer volume made a difference in this case. Lots of bystanders/witnesses too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    It hasn't helped in previous cases
    Like the fat black guy in New York who was selling cigarettes by the piece and was strangled to death by the cop . . . nothing ensued.

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    And all of this because of (allegedly) false $20 banknote...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    And all of this because of (allegedly) false $20 banknote...
    I don't know if they were or were not fake but killing someone for something so trivial . . . yes, simply horrific

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    And all of this because of (allegedly) false $20 banknote...
    ......as noted elsewhere, they did not even have to arrest him for that. They could have just taken his details, and passed that information for further processing.

    This issue again strikes to the proportionality issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nidhogg View Post
    ......as noted elsewhere, they did not even have to arrest him for that. They could have just taken his details, and passed that information for further processing.

    This issue again strikes to the proportionality issue.
    And you have to wonder if a white man would have suffered the same fate, hence the intense public interest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    And you have to wonder if a white man would have suffered the same fate, hence the intense public interest.

    To be fair, I don't think anyone really does have to wonder very hard about that.

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    Part of the defense case seems to be that Floyd was overdosing and that's what ultimately killed him. So, even if true, rather than get him urgent medical help, Chauvin jammed his knee into a dying man's neck for 9 mins as he pleaded for his life. Great defense.

    Also a reminder that: 'Derek Chauvin was going to plead guilty to murder until Bill Barr stepped in and put a stop to it. So maybe consider that when you defend him. Even he thinks he's guilty'
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRealKW View Post
    To be fair, I don't think anyone really does have to wonder very hard about that.
    If it were that cut and dried, he'd be charged with a hate crime.

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    Wondering why the judges are to study so hard and long when - at the end of the day - the case is decided not by judge but by uneducated jurymen, sometimes even by one only. And he does not need to reason his decision...

    So, why the long questioning of the witnesses and their credibility as well? The juryman - carefully selected by the parties - sometimes even cleverly planted - decides as he feels or wants anyway, no matter the boring listening days...

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    Wow. The pulmonary expert is destroying chauvin.

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