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    Quote Originally Posted by Shutree View Post
    It is all inevitable. Claim mistrial. Appeal conviction. Appeal sentence. It will drag on and on. For me it is straightforward: he did the crime, he does the time.
    Yep. Standard proceedure stuff. Appeals court will have a look but when all said and done will not overturn the conviction. Primarily because the trial judge has broad powers and appeals court considers would anything specific which the trial judge did change the outcome.

    Looks Derek gonna be in the slammer a very long time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    But I am glad the only objection you have against the points I made concerning the juror and the trial is my grammar.
    No, my objection was that your analogy was idiotic. The fact that you have shit grammar just helps to make my point that you’re obviously an idiot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beachbound View Post
    No, my objection was that your analogy was idiotic. The fact that you have shit grammar just helps to make my point that you’re obviously an idiot.
    What ever rocks your boat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    I make no value judgment on this particular case but on the process, because the process applies to all of us, and one day any one of us could find ourselves subjected to it.
    Of course he is entitled to due process, although that was denied to the victim. It will be what it will be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    I make no value judgment on this particular case but on the process, because the process applies to all of us, and one day any one of us could find ourselves subjected to it.
    Even though I understand that the settlement between City and the family was a separate case, IMO it should had been delayed until after the trial. Since there was a historically high , well publicized settlement and a De facto addition of guilt by one party , and a reasonable request for change of venue was made, it should had been granted, but for political reasons was not, tainting the process. Then in a sensitive and well publicized case such as this a request for the jury to be sequester for a few days was rejected, Why?
    There are many times when a civil case leads to a criminal one so I don't think that argument would be sufficient for a retrial. I also think a change of venue would have had little effect since the case and subsequent riots made world news.

    What will be required is new evidence and I doubt there will be any that could sway anyone's minds. That video and the expert prosecution witnesses would return a guilty verdict in any court in any Western country.

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    Derek Chauvin, 3 ex-officers indicted on federal civil rights charges

    Details: The grand jury indicted Chauvin in two cases: for kneeling on Floyd's neck for over nine minutes in May 2020 and for a similar arrest of a 14-year-old boy in 2017.

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    Ruling Paves Way For Longer Sentence For Derek Chauvin Over George Floyd's Death

    A Minnesota judge has ruled that there were aggravating factors in the death of George Floyd, paving the way for a longer sentence for Derek Chauvin, according to an order made public Wednesday.

    In his ruling, Judge Peter Cahill found that Chauvin abused his authority as a police officer when he restrained Floyd last year, and that he treated Floyd with particular cruelty.
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    Trial postponed for three US ex-police charged in George Floyd's death

    At a procedural hearing Thursday, Judge Peter Cahill said that the federal charges were "much greater" and it made "more sense for the federal case to go forward" first.

    As a result, he postponed the start of the three former officers' trial to March 7, 2022.

    Dual prosecutions at both the state and federal level are permitted in the United States but are relatively rare, highlighting the importance of this case, which sparked a massive wave of national demonstrations last summer.

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    Prosecutors seek 30-year sentence for Derek Chauvin

    Prosecutors in Minnesota are seeking a 30-year prison sentence for former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin in the murder of George Floyd.

    Prosecutors wrote in a court filing on Wednesday that the sentence — twice the upper end of the recommended sentencing range — would “properly account for the profound impact” of Chauvin’s actions on Floyd’s family and the community.

    “Defendant cruelly murdered Mr. Floyd in public view. His actions traumatized Mr. Floyd’s family—Mr. Floyd’s daughter, his siblings, his cousins, his aunts and uncles, his nephews and nieces. None of them will ever be able to see their beloved ‘Perry’ again,” prosecutors wrote.

    Chauvin will only be sentenced for the most egregious charge against him: second-degree murder. The recommended sentence was 12.5 years, with a range of 10.67 to 15 years.

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    Let's not forget this and similar:

    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    If he gets anything more than a manslaughter charge , he will be a political prisoner. I don't think he should be changed with anything really.
    Quote Originally Posted by Slick View Post
    It’s been clear for a while now that he didn’t die from asphyxiation or strangulation tho.
    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    No need to destroy this cops life over an unfortunate set of circumstances
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    Murder isn't fair. He had no intention of killing this big asshole

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    Skidmark is a bit of a thicko though.

    Slick's not far behind.

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    Chauvin to be sentenced Friday for Floyd murder

    Derek Chauvin, the former police officer convicted of murdering George Floyd, faces what is expected to at least be a 12-year prison term on Friday when he will be formally sentenced to at the Hennepin County courthouse in downtown Minneapolis.

    Proceedings are expected to begin at 1:30 p.m. CST and will be livestreamed.

    Following a month-long trial that was the highest-profile criminal case in recent memory, Chauvin in April was found guilty of all three criminal counts he was facing — second-degree murder, second-degree manslaughter and third-degree murder.

    Floyd’s killing was one of the catalysts for nationwide protests last summer demanding police reform and the end to systemic racism, and Chauvin’s trial was viewed by many as a referendum on policing in America.

    Here are some things to know and watch for.

    How sentencing works in Minnesota

    Sentencing guidelines for federal crimes are uniform, but outside of that, states have the purview to set their own guidelines.

    Minnesota’s sentencing guidelines take a couple of factors into consideration, including the defendant’s prior criminal history and the severity of the sentence.

    Additionally, even though the former Minneapolis cop was convicted of three charges, since those charges all stemmed from the same action — killing Floyd — the length of the sentence will correlate to the guidelines for his most serious crime, unintentional second-degree murder.

    Per state guidelines, the maximum sentence for unintentional murder in the second degree is 40 years, but because Chauvin has no previous criminal record, the presumptive sentence is 12.5 years.

    Judges in the state, however, are given the discretion to sentence within a certain range that’s provided by the guidelines. In this case, that range is 10.67 years to 15 years.

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    Cahill has sided with prosecutors in motions filed after the guilty verdict, which argue there are four aggravating factors that should be considered in Chauvin’s sentencing. This means it is likely the former officer will face a sentence above the recommended length.

    These aggravating factors are that Chauvin “abused a position of trust and authority”; he “acted with particular cruelty”; he committed the murder “in concert with three other individuals”, namely the three other officers involved in Floyd’s arrest who have been charged but not yet faced trial; and, finally, he carried out the act “in the presence of children”.

    As commentators scramble to predict the highly awaited sentencing,
    NBC News published an analysis of Cahill’s sentencing in second-degree murder cases, for which he has sentenced six people to prison. The analysis found the sentences received ranged between 12.5 and 40 years.


    Derek Chauvin: ex-police who murdered George Floyd to be sentenced Friday | Minneapolis | The Guardian

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    ^ Had to go look, for comprehension, Cahill is the judge.

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    That's good news.

    Let's hope for at least 20.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nidhogg View Post
    ^ Had to go look, for comprehension, Cahill is the judge.
    Well that article probably gave it away when they talked about his sentencing record, but you have a point.

    the ultimate decision lies with Hennepin county judge Peter Cahill, who presided over Chauvin’s trial earlier this year, and has spent 14 years on the court.

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    22.5 years it is. You heard it here first

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
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    The judge can state a minimum to be served before parole can be considered. I belive he will judge 20 year minimum. Even if he doesn't, Chauvin is looking at a minimum of 12.5 years before he is considered for parole under Minnesota law.

    I agree with Norton's old reply here. He got 22.5 but by the time it's all said and done , he'll serve 12 years or so.

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    15 years, which is a slap on the wrist, for murder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beachbound View Post
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    15 years, which is a slap on the wrist, for murder.
    It's common in Minnesota. There has been over 100 cases of 1st degree murder (let alone 2nd) where the convict is elligible for parole in 17 years.

    113 first-degree murder convicts eligible for parole in Minnesota | Grand Forks Herald

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    How many of those cases had 4 aggravating factors, as this one did?
    Minnesota guidelines allows a judge to double the sentence with even one aggravating factor. Again, the piece of shit got off light. Hope he finds his way to general population.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beachbound View Post
    How many of those cases had 4 aggravating factors, as this one did?
    Minnesota guidelines allows a judge to double the sentence with even one aggravating factor. Again, the piece of shit got off light. Hope he finds his way to general population.
    If he does he'll most certainly be joining the prevailing white supremacist group.

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    Three former Minneapolis police officers have been found guilty of violating the civil rights of George Floyd, the Black man whose death at the hands of police in 2020 spurred protests against systemic racism around the world.

    The former officers, J. Alexander Kueng, Thomas Lane and Tou Thao, all were convicted of depriving Floyd of his civil rights while acting under government authority when they failed to give him medical aid.

    Kueng and Thao, additionally, were convicted of not intervening to stop their fellow officer Derek Chauvin from using excessive force. They had pleaded not guilty.


    Thao, Kueng and Lane each face up to life in prison, although such a severe punishment is unlikely. The men are scheduled for trial in June on state charges of aiding and abetting murder and manslaughter.

    “This is just accountability. It can never be justice because I can never get George back,” Floyd’s brother Philonise Floyd said at a news conference Thursday afternoon. “And no matter how many times that I pray at night and I think about my brother 24/7, it still is going to be hard.”

    The jury began deliberating Wednesday morning after a monthlong trial.


    In closing arguments, prosecutors said the defendants had “front-row seats” to Floyd’s murder and "chose to do nothing" to help him while Chauvin knelt on Floyd’s neck for 9 ½ minutes.


    “They chose not to aid George Floyd as the window into which Mr. Floyd’s life could have been saved slammed shut,” Assistant U.S. Attorney Manda Sertich said Tuesday.


    Defense attorneys argued that the men did not receive adequate training and that they relied on Chauvin as the most experienced officer on the scene.


    “These officers tried to devise any excuse that could let them wash the blood from their hands, but following these verdicts George’s blood will forever stain them,” Ben Crump and other attorneys representing Floyd’s family said in a statement after the verdict was announced.

    “Today’s guilty verdicts should serve as the guiding example of why police departments across America should expand and prioritize instruction on an officer’s duty to intervene and recognize when a fellow officer is using excessive force.”

    3 officers found guilty on federal charges in George Floyd’s killing

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    Derek Chauvin has been given a 21-year jail sentence for violating George Floyd's civil rights.
    Chauvin will serve the federal sentence at the same time he serves his 22-and-a-half year sentence on state charges of murder and manslaughter.

    The former police officer pinned George Floyd to the pavement outside a Minneapolis corner shop for more than nine minutes as he lay dying on May 25, 2020.

    Chauvin was told by US District Judge Paul Magnuson what he did was "simply wrong" and "offensive".
    Mr Magnuson said: "I really don't know why you did what you did.

    "To put your knee on a person's neck until they expired is simply wrong."

    Floyd's brother Philonise also asked for the maximum possible sentence.

    He said: "My family and I have been given a life sentence.

    "We will never get George's life back."


    Federal prosecutors had asked the judge to sentence Chauvin to 25 years.


    Chauvin initially pleaded not guilty to the federal charges, but changed his plea in December.


    Chauvin's lawyer Eric Nelson had asked for 20 years, arguing that he was remorseful.


    However, he made no direct apology or expression of remorse to Floyd's family in court.


    Instead, he told the family that he wishes Floyd's children "all the best in their life" and that they have "excellent guidance in becoming good adults".


    For the first time Chauvin admitted he kept his knee on Floyd's neck, even when he said he couldn't breathe.


    The murder sparked protests against racism and police brutality across the world.


    Mr Magnuson has not set sentencing dates for the thre e other officers who were on the scene - Tou Thao, J. Alexander Keung and Thomas Lane - who were convicted in February of federal civil rights charges.

    Derek Chauvin gets 21 years in jail for violating George Floyd's civil rights | Breaking News News | Sky News

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    Tou Thao, the last former Minneapolis police officer convicted in state court for his role in the killing of George Floyd, did not show any repentance or admit any wrongdoing as he was sentenced Monday to 4 years and 9 months.

    Thao had previously testified that he merely served as a “human traffic cone” when he held back concerned bystanders who gathered as former Officer Derek Chauvin, who is white, knelt on Floyd’s neck for 9 1/2 minutes while the Black man pleaded for his life on May 25, 2020.

    A bystander video captured Floyd’s fading cries of “I can’t breathe.” Floyd’s murder touched off protests worldwide and forced a national reckoning of police brutality and racism.

    At his sentencing hearing, Thao said he never intended to hurt anyone that day. He spoke at length about his growth as a Christian during his 340 days behind bars but denied any responsibility for Floyd’s death. In rambling remarks full of biblical references, he drew parallels with the sufferings and false accusations endured by Job and Jesus.

    “I did not commit these crimes,” Thao said. “My conscience is clear. I will not be a Judas nor join a mob in self-preservation or betray my God.”

    Hennepin County Judge Peter Cahill, who found Thao guilty in May of aiding and abetting second-degree manslaughter, said he would have liked to have heard some kind of repentance from Thao on Monday.

    “After three years of reflection, I was hoping for a little more remorse, regret, acknowledgement of some responsibility — and less preaching” he said.

    Cahill then sentenced Thao to 57 months — the top end of the range recommended under state guidelines, where the standard sentence is 48 months, an even four years. The sentence was more than the 51 months that prosecutors had sought and the 41 months requested by Thao’s attorney, Robert Paule.

    Thao’s sentence will run concurrently with a 3 1/2-year sentence for his separate conviction on a federal civil rights charge, which an appeals court upheld on Friday. Thao will be returned to federal prison to finish that sentence before he is transferred to a Minnesota state prison to serve out the remaining few months with credit for time served.

    Paule, who called Thao “a good and decent man with a family” in court, said afterward that they will appeal in both the state and federal cases. He declined further comment.

    Assistant Attorney General Erin Eldridge said during the hearing that Floyd’s final words “reverberated across the globe.”

    “George Floyd narrated his own death over the course of a restraint that lasted more than 9 long minutes until he lost consciousness, stopped breathing and his heart stopped beating,” she said.

    Thao facilitated Floyd’s death, she said, because he “stood by and allowed it to happen” and stopped others from helping the dying man, including a Minneapolis firefighter who was a trained emergency medical technician and could have performed CPR on him.

    “He knew better, and he was trained to do better,” Eldridge said.

    nearly 5 years

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