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    China flies at least 20 war planes in Taiwan airspace

    At least 20 Chinese military aircraft entered Taiwan's air space on Friday, according to Taiwan's defense ministry.


    Why it matters: It is the largest incursion by China's air force since Taiwan's defense ministry has announced almost daily Chinese military exercises into its air space, per Reuters.


    A person familiar with Taiwan’s defense planning told Reuters that the Chinese military was simulating an operation against U.S. warships sailing through the Bashi Channel.


    China has said the exercises are meant to show its determination to defend the island, which it considers part of Chinese territory, though Taiwan's status is one of the most sensitive political issues between Washington and Beijing.


    The big picture: Friday's exercises involved four H-6K bombers, which have nuclear strike capabilities, 10 J-16 fighter jets and six other military planes.


    Taiwan said it warned the planes by radio that they were violating its airspace and deployed air defense missile systems to "monitor the activity" of the flight after the aircraft did not change course.


    China flies at least 20 war planes in Taiwan airspace - Axios

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    Taiwan's status is one of the most sensitive political issues between Washington and Beijing
    Indeed. Taiwan is not officially recognized as a country. Easy to get high and mighty about China but these are the facts.

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    My prediction. China will invade Taiwan within the next 12 months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    My prediction. China will invade Taiwan within the next 12 months.

    It probably should if it wants to prevent the US from taking it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    It probably should if it wants to prevent the US from taking it.
    The US wants to take Taiwan? First I’ve heard of it. Must have been on Canadian news.

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    ...the more incursions, the sharper and more alert the Taiwanese air defenses will be...and the more pressing the arguments for larger, faster, more updated shipments of US defense armaments...the Chinese military must think it operates in a vacuum...

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    Must have been on Canadian news.


    Boundary violation.

    Ten yards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    It probably should if it wants to prevent the US from taking it.
    Good Lord . . . how many panadol do you take for your brainfarts?




    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    The US wants to take Taiwan? First I’ve heard of it. Must have been on Canadian news.
    Far too many nice Canadians out there to throw them all in a bucket with Skidmark

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    The US wants to take Taiwan? First I’ve heard of it. Must have been on Canadian news.
    A US naval base on Taiwan eventually is their goal. And that would mean Taiwan is in the American sphere.

    Just like they tried in Ukraine. If Russia didn't take Crimea , the US would have built a base there. Instead they are building it in Odessa now.

    New US Naval Base on Ukraine’s Black Sea Coast | Quemado Institute

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
    ...the more incursions, the sharper and more alert the Taiwanese air defenses will be...and the more pressing the arguments for larger, faster, more updated shipments of US defense armaments...the Chinese military must think it operates in a vacuum...
    China will attack Taiwan if the US gives it a certain type of arms. Who is living in a vacuum ?

    It will be a Crimea scenario when push comes to shove.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    China will attack Taiwan if the US gives it a certain type of arms.
    Go tell US if you think they don't know that already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Good Lord . . . how many panadol do you take for your brainfarts?





    Far too many nice Canadians out there to throw them all in a bucket with Skidmark

    China considers Taiwan its own territory. They dont care what you think

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    Deliberate incursions are used to exploit intelligence gathering opportunities as the overflown territory reacts. Also, in the event that Taiwan were provoked into retaliatory action by downing these overflights then of course there is the bonus of having manipulated a demonstrable casus belli permitting the commie swine to mount their own no doubt overwhelming response.

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    Let's just get it over with and let China have it. All this BS about freedom and democracy coming from U.S. & U.K. politicians is the biggest hoax of the past centuries. Let the Asians battle it out and hopefully they will pay a high price.

    I Love Chinese!


    China flies at least 20 war planes in Taiwan airspace-jeep-wrangler-chinese-communist-star-sexy


    Better choice of refugees too
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    Chinky bastards at it again.

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    China's growing firepower casts doubt on whether U.S. could defend Taiwan

    WASHINGTON — China's massive arms buildup has raised doubts about America's ability to defend Taiwan if a war broke out, reflecting a shifting balance of power in the Pacific where American forces once dominated, U.S. officials and experts say.


    In simulated combat in which China attempts to invade Taiwan, the results are sobering and the United States often loses, said David Ochmanek, a former senior Defense Department official who helps run war games for the Pentagon at the RAND Corp. think tank.


    In tabletop exercises with America as the "blue team" facing off against a "red team" resembling China, Taiwan's air force is wiped out within minutes, U.S. air bases across the Pacific come under attack, and American warships and aircraft are held at bay by the long reach of China's vast missile arsenal, he said.


    "Even when the blue teams in our simulations and war games intervened in a determined way, they don't always succeed in defeating the invasion," Ochmanek said.

    MORE. China'''s growing firepower casts doubt on whether U.S. could defend Taiwan

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    The Taiwanese just need to shot down one Chinese plane. Then they tell the Chinese if they send any more and they will get shot down too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumpy John View Post
    The Taiwanese just need to shot down one Chinese plane. Then they tell the Chinese if they send any more and they will get shot down too.

    Is that all it takes? Perhaps you should advise the RAND Corporation...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRealKW View Post
    Is that all it takes? Perhaps you should advise the RAND Corporation...
    For someone whose first post included calling Biden a pedophile (is this guy a Brit as well?), he's doing well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    Chinese military aircraft entered Taiwan's air space
    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    Chinese military exercises into its air space
    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    violating its airspace
    You may wish to check what "air space" a country can legally, according to the "rules" the distance from their low tide shore line is 22.2km or 12m.

    airspace

    the air or sky above a country that is considered to belong to that country
    https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/airspace

    Airspace


    "By international law, a state "has complete and exclusive sovereignty over the airspace above its territory", which corresponds with the maritime definition of territorial waters as being 12 nautical miles (22.2 km) out from a nation's coastline.[4] Airspace not within any country's territorial limit is considered international, analogous to the "high seas" in maritime law. "

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airspace

    I suspect your source stated aircraft entered Taiwan's "Air Defence Identification Zone".
    Air defense identification zone

    "An air defense identification zone (ADIZ) is airspace over land or water in which the identification, location, and control of civil aircraft is performed in the interest of national security.[1] They may extend beyond a country's territory to give the country more time to respond to possibly hostile aircraft.[2] The concept of an ADIZ is not defined in any international treaty and is not regulated by any international body"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_de...ification_zone

    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
    ...the more incursions, the sharper and more alert the Taiwanese air defenses will be
    The Taiwan air force has a limited number of aircraft engines which limits their availability to accompany Chinese planes.

    Quote Originally Posted by russellsimpson View Post
    Boundary violation.
    No legal boundaries were violated.

    Ten yards.
    No legal boundaries were violated.

    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    Deliberate incursions
    No legal boundaries were violated.

    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Chinky bastards at it again.
    No legal physical or imaginary boundaries were violated.

    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    In simulated combat in which China attempts to invade Taiwan, the results are sobering and the United States often loses,
    Like every time for the past 10 years.

    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    "Even when the blue teams in our simulations and war games intervened in a determined way, they don't always succeed in defeating the invasion
    Like every time for the past 10 years.
    A tray full of GOLD is not worth a moment in time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    China considers Taiwan its own territory. They dont care what you think
    The taiwanese think differrntly

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    Quote Originally Posted by beerlaodrinker View Post
    The taiwanese think differrntly

    They have very limited diplomatic or military power. Mainland China just wants them to be a part of China on paper. Just no US air or naval bases. Nothing would change in the country. It would be a semi autonomous governorate of China.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    Taiwan is not officially recognized as a country
    Currently fifteen states recognise Taiwan as the ROC (and thus do not have official relations with Beijing): Belize, Guatemala, Haiti, Holy See, Honduras, Marshall Islands, Nauru, Nicaragua, Palau, Paraguay, St Lucia, St Kitts and Nevis, St Vincent and the Grenadines, Swaziland and Tuvalu.

    For the record.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    n tabletop exercises with America as the "blue team" facing off against a "red team" resembling China, Taiwan's air force is wiped out within minutes, U.S. air bases across the Pacific come under attack, and American warships and aircraft are held at bay by the long reach of China's vast missile arsenal, he said.
    This might be WW2 "thinking" misskit.

    Does anyone for a moment imagine that any war between the major powers could actually remain "regional"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    You may wish to check what "air space" a country can legally, according to the "rules" the distance from their low tide shore line is 22.2km or 12m.
    In your continuing blathering defence of all thingsChina you make no sense, as usual.

    Infringement upon airspace. Look what a tizz China gets all frothy-mouthed about when anyone comes near what isn't even theirs in the SCS.

    Whiny bitches . . . yes, you included

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