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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    Maybe they will just play a longer game
    Maybe. We are all of us here offering opinions about what might happen in the future and this particular issue has so many moving parts that pretty much anything is possible. I think though the one thing that has changed under Xi is his 'Wolf Warrior' diplomacy, which is a stark contrast to Deng Xiaoping's policy of China "hiding its strength, and biding its time." I borrowed both of those phrases from an old Nikkei Asia opinion piece that mentions how not all the top cadres are lined up behind Xi on this.

    Beijing hard-liners kick against Xi Jinping's wolf warrior diplomacy -
    Nikkei Asia


    Just how differently Deng saw things is evident in one of his quotes:

    "China is not a superpower, nor will she ever seek to be one... If one day China should change her color and turn into a superpower, if she too should play the tyrant in the world, and everywhere subject others to her bullying, aggression and exploitation, the people of the world should identify her as social-imperialist, expose it, oppose it and work together with the Chinese people to overthrow it."

    I cannot imagine Xi following Deng's line. My opinion is that Xi wants Taiwan in his administration, as his legacy, so we have maybe a ten year window. Now we have time as a complicating factor, assuming Xi doesn't have a heart attack or something.

    Other complications include Japan and South Korea, already mentioned in this string. Things could get very tense.

    Only opinion, I believe the PLA can take Taiwan by force of arms. But the P in the PLA used to mean something before Tiananmen, it is the army of the People, to protect the people. Killing a large number of Han people in Taiwan is not like killing a few Indians or a few Uyghurs, (to Xi, I mean, I think it is all shocking) there will be serious divisions amongst the Chinese leadership. In addition, Taiwan has YunFeng homemade cruise missiles with a range of 1,200 miles. Those must be a significant deterrent.

    On another note, China gets 30% of its computer chips from Taiwan. They and the rest of the world will have some problems with their supply chains.

    It is really complex and every opinion about what might happen is pretty much as good as every other opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    There is no Joint Declaration on Taiwan to break
    Three Communiqués

    "The Three Communiqués or Three Joint Communiqués (Chinese: 三个联合公报) are a collection of three joint statements made by the governments of the United States and the People's Republic of China (P.R.C.). The communiqués played a crucial role in the establishment of relations between the U.S. and the P.R.C. and continue to be an essential element in dialogue between the two states, along with the Six Assurances and Taiwan Relations Act.[1]"

    1st
    (February 28, 1972)

    "both sides agreed to respect each other's national sovereignty and territorial integrity. The United States formally acknowledged that "all Chinese on either side of the Taiwan Strait maintain there is but one China"."

    2nd (January 1, 1979

    "the United States recognized that the government of the People's Republic of China was the sole legal government of China. In addition, the United States government declared that it would end formal political relations with the Republic of China ("Taiwan") while preserving economic and cultural ties."

    3rd (August 17, 1982)

    "Both sides also reaffirmed the statements made about the Taiwan issue in the previous communiqué."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Communiqu%C3%A9s

    One presumes you can supply a link confirming that the 3 agreements have been dumped.

    Along with a link to your allegation/"agreement" that:

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    xxxxx have never agreed to leave it alone.
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    The United States formally acknowledged that "all Chinese on either side of the Taiwan Strait maintain there is but one China".

    The answer has been hiding in plain sight.
    There is one China. The problem is that there are 2 presidents, one more than we need.

    Option A. Maybe Xi and Tsai could sort it out like Thailand and Burma, with a chicken fight. Or maybe Xi can do the gentlemanly thing and retire gracefully, since the Republic of China is the older entity and has the stronger claim because it did for a while govern a unified China before the Japanese got involved and started killing everyone. Once Xi hands the reigns to Tsai the RoC can have unified, democratic, national elections. Sorted.

    Option B is we let the side with the bigger guns obliterate the other and bring Asia to the brink of a nuclear war.

    I choose A.

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    Taiwan to buy new U.S. air defence missiles to guard against China

    TAIPEI (Reuters) - Taiwan has decided to buy an upgraded version of Lockheed Martin Corp’s Patriot surface-to-air missile, the air force said on Wednesday, as the island bolsters its forces to guard against a rising threat from China.


    Chinese-claimed Taiwan has complained of repeated incursions by China’s air force in recent months into the island’s air defence identification zone, as Beijing seeks to pressure Taipei into accepting its sovereignty.


    Taiwan’s Air Force told Reuters it had decided to buy the Patriot Advanced Capability 3 (PAC-3) Missile Segment Enhancement (MSE) missiles, with deliveries to start in 2025 and deployment the following year.


    The Air Force did not disclose how many missiles Taiwan was planning to buy, citing the sensitivity of the matter.


    “These purchase plans were made based on the threat from the enemy,” an Air Force spokesman told Reuters, adding it will continue to “boost defence capacity”.


    The spokesman said the Air Force is “cautiously optimistic” about the progress of the purchase.


    Taiwan’s Defence Ministry, in a report to parliament seen by Reuters, said the decision to obtain the newer Patriots was made during a 2019 meeting with the United States during the previous administration of U.S. President Donald Trump.


    U.S. President Joe Biden’s government has not announced any Taiwan arms sales since taking office in January, though it has pledged its “rock solid” commitment to the democratically-governed island.


    U.S. arms sales to Taiwan always anger China, which has demanded they stop.


    In July, China said it would put sanctions on Lockheed Martin for involvement in a $620 million upgrade package for existing Patriot missiles Taiwan operates.


    China has announced similar sanctions before on U.S. companies for Taiwan arms sales, though it is unclear what form they have taken.


    The United States, like most countries, has no official diplomatic ties with Taiwan, but Washington is bound by law to provide the island with the means to defend itself.


    Washington has been pushing Taiwan to modernise its military so it can become a “porcupine”, hard for China to attack.



    Taiwan to buy new U.S. air defence missiles to guard against China | Reuters

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    That pesky bald orange loser....

    On 26 March 2020, President Trump signed the TAIPEI Act, aiming to increase the scope of US relations with Taiwan and encouraging other nations and international organizations to strengthen their official and unofficial ties with the island nation.[
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    The United States, the EU, and other like-minded countries should look to interact with Taiwan in multilateral arenas that are less susceptible to Chinese influence.The United States, the EU, and other like-minded countries should look to interact with Taiwan in multilateral arenas that are less susceptible to Chinese influence. For example, this could involve inviting Taiwan as a guest to G-7 meetings or to become a member of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD). Taiwan has attended OECD committees in the past, but even this limited participation ended due to Chinese heavy-handedness.

    The United States can still do more, such as send naval ships to call at Taiwanese ports and send cabinet-level officials on more frequent visits. The last U.S. cabinet official to visit Taiwan was Environmental Protection Agency head Gina McCarthy in 2014, and before that, Transportation Secretary Rodney Slater in 2000.

    Taiwan should also be invited to multilateral military drills such as the U.S.-led Rim of the Pacific naval exercises for vessels from countries on both sides of the Pacific Ocean. China was kicked out of the last edition of the exercise in 2018 for its South China Sea militarization.

    Taiwan is also being considered for membership in the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP), an Asia-Pacific regional trade pact led by Japan after the United States pulled out of the deal, then known as the Trans-Pacific Partnership, in 2017. China is not part of the CPTPP, which was set up mainly to reduce dependence on China.

    All of these steps, if taken, would be good for Taiwan and the world, but the benefits would be limited, because Taiwan would be treated like a guest and not a full member of the international community. Taiwan’s participation would always be subject to China’s whims, such as when it was allowed to attend WHO’s assemblies as an observer between 2009 and 2016 because a China-friendly KMT government was in power then. After the current president from the Democratic Progressive Party came to power in 2016, Taiwan was barred again.

    In effect, the world would still be continuing to pander to China, even after it has been culpable for what might be the world’s worst crisis since World War II through its failure to contain the early spread of the coronavirus.

    The ultimate option would be to officially recognize Taiwan as a country, an initiative led by the United States. This would no doubt lead to serious repercussions from China, including the possibility of military action, especially against Taiwan. Such a move would require an understanding from Taiwan of this risk, as well as guaranteed military support from Washington.

    The onus for action would fall on the United States, but it would be crucial to get the EU and such nations as Japan, India, and Australia on board.

    After the world deals with the coronavirus pandemic, the United States should seriously consider recognizing Taiwan, as it would be the best chance to do so for three key reasons.

    First, China bears heavy responsibility for the coronavirus pandemic, which has killed over 270,000 people and infected nearly 4 million. The country censored and held back information about the outbreak in its early stages and is still not being forthright. And instead of accepting responsibility, Beijing has claimed it bought the world time and gloated about its supposed triumph. China also tried to push a conspiracy theory that the coronavirus originated in the United States, and it sent defective masks and equipment to numerous countries.

    After Australia called for an official investigation into the origin and spread of the coronavirus, the Chinese ambassador to the country immediately threatened a Chinese boycott of Australian beef, wine, and universities. The recent shocking reports of Africans in Guangzhou being ejected onto the streets and barred from restaurants have angered African nations, which traditionally have had warm relations with China.

    All of this means China’s relations with the international community are at a very low point. The country has acted more like an erratic and unreliable dictatorship rather than a responsible world power, even during a global crisis that it helped cause.

    The second significant reason is China’s growing military aggressiveness, which has led to serious concerns of a Chinese invasion of Taiwan within the next few years.

    At the beginning of 2019, Chinese President Xi Jinping explicitly demanded that Taiwan “unite” with China or face potential military action. Chinese military officials have also announced a desire to take Taiwan, with the Chinese Communist Party’s 100th anniversary in 2021 mentioned as a possible deadline.

    To this end, China has ramped up naval shipbuilding, especially large surface combat vessels and amphibious assault ships. The latter would be essential for any invasion of Taiwan. In February, Chinese state media announced China was purchasing 1.4 million units of body armor to outfit troops to fight against “Taiwan secessionists” and U.S. forces.

    China’s provocative behavior has been building up for years, and it has even taken advantage of the pandemic to intensify this. China’s aggression has not just been directed at Taiwan but also other countries such as Japan, Vietnam, and the Philippines, as can be seen regularly in the South China Sea.

    Even if Taiwan’s international status remains unchanged, there is a strong likelihood that China will initiate a conflict against Taiwan in the near future. This thus removes the main reason for not recognizing Taiwan as a country, which is to avoid provoking China and maintain peace. In fact, recognizing Taiwan’s nationhood might even act as a deterrent by making it clear the United States and the international community see Taiwan as an actual country and not part of China.

    Third, while the global recession will strongly affect the United States, it will hit China hard too. Reeling from a lockdown during much of February and March, and a weakened economy that has been slowing down since at least last year, China saw its first-quarter GDP fall by 6.8 percent, its first reported decrease since the 1970s. Export orders are expected to remain weak due to declining demand from such markets as the United States and EU, while Chinese consumers will not spend as much as before.

    China’s main method of enticing states is hefty so-called financial aid and a massive appetite for commodity imports as well as the world’s largest consumer market and pool of overseas tourists. All three have been weakened and will continue to be so for the upcoming future, making it harder for China to tempt or punish countries through economic means.

    After winning her second term in January, Tsai said Taiwan is already independent. Most of the world should openly recognize this too, rather than continuing to pander to China’s ludicrous claim to Taiwan.

    For the sake of not just Taiwan but the world, all options must be on the table when it comes to furthering Taiwan’s presence on the international stage.

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    China's Military Preparing for U.S. Intervention in Taiwan Strait


    China is readying itself for American and Japanese involvement in any Taiwan Strait conflict, with recent warplane exercises around the island aimed at displaying its ability to isolate Taiwan from potential support, according to analysts in Beijing and Taipei.


    After 10 People's Liberation Army aircraft, including fighter jets and reconnaissance planes, flew sorties into Taiwan's air defense identification zone on Monday, a senior defense official in Taipei noted the "offensive posture" of the military exercise. Deputy Defense Minister Chang Che-ping described the waves of Chinese aircraft as part of a naval and air force "joint operation."


    The gesture by Beijing was notable for its pincer-like flight pattern around Taiwan after the Japanese defense ministry reported two additional PLA warplanes crossing the East China Sea and Miyako Strait between the Japanese-controlled islands. One of the aircraft then headed southwest before turning north to fly parallel to Taiwan's eastern coastline.

    Flight patterns from the exercise appeared to show Taiwan surrounded on three sides, and the drill was a pointed message to the governments of Taiwan, Japan and the U.S., analysts said.


    The Chinese military was "continuing to increase its combat preparedness by making its routine exercises more complex and realistic and taking possible U.S. and Japanese interventions into consideration," Communist Party newspaper Global Times reported on Tuesday.


    The additional sorties in the east showed the PLA was able to strike targets in eastern Taiwan, "but also lock down the island entirely from possible interventions by U.S. and Japanese forces," according to the report from Beijing.


    Recent Chinese warplane incursions into Taiwan's defensive airspace amounted to "political signaling" by Beijing, said senior security analyst Su Tzu-yun, who is with Taiwan's Institute for National Defense and Security Research.

    Monday's noteworthy exercise coincided with the visit to Taipei by a U.S. diplomat. Beijing had also "expressed its fury" by sending 20 warplanes toward Taiwan after the signing of a U.S.-Taiwan coast guard pact last Friday, Su told Newsweek.


    He said that the military significance of Monday's pincer movement, which involved PLA anti-ship and anti-submarine aircraft, was "the PLA's way of showing it has the capability to isolate Taiwan if the U.S. and Japan plan to assist" Taipei during a Taiwan Strait contingency.


    Chinese spy plane sorties in the Bashi Channel south of Taiwan were also part of the PLA's "anti access/area denial" strategy to impede the U.S. Navy from advancing into the area from the Western Pacific, he added.


    China's Military Preparing for U.S. Intervention in Taiwan Strait

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    Should be answered robustly. They are pushing the envelope to see how far they can go, the chinky bastards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    For example, this could involve inviting Taiwan as a guest to G-7 meetings
    Never going to happen. That would, rightly so imo, be considered a very aggressive move from the Chinese point of view.



    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    . China is not part of the CPTPP, which was set up mainly to reduce dependence on China.
    WTF?

    Nice proaganda piece. FP standards seem to be slipping.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shutree View Post
    Once Xi hands the reigns to Tsai the RoC can have unified, democratic, national elections. Sorted.


    I think you have the situation pretty well nailed my friend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shutree View Post
    Maybe. We are all of us here offering opinions about what might happen in the future and this particular issue has so many moving parts that pretty much anything is possible. I think though the one thing that has changed under Xi is his 'Wolf Warrior' diplomacy, which is a stark contrast to Deng Xiaoping's policy of China "hiding its strength, and biding its time." I borrowed both of those phrases from an old Nikkei Asia opinion piece that mentions how not all the top cadres are lined up behind Xi on this.

    Beijing hard-liners kick against Xi Jinping's wolf warrior diplomacy -
    Nikkei Asia


    Just how differently Deng saw things is evident in one of his quotes:

    "China is not a superpower, nor will she ever seek to be one... If one day China should change her color and turn into a superpower, if she too should play the tyrant in the world, and everywhere subject others to her bullying, aggression and exploitation, the people of the world should identify her as social-imperialist, expose it, oppose it and work together with the Chinese people to overthrow it."

    I cannot imagine Xi following Deng's line. My opinion is that Xi wants Taiwan in his administration, as his legacy, so we have maybe a ten year window. Now we have time as a complicating factor, assuming Xi doesn't have a heart attack or something.

    Other complications include Japan and South Korea, already mentioned in this string. Things could get very tense.

    Only opinion, I believe the PLA can take Taiwan by force of arms. But the P in the PLA used to mean something before Tiananmen, it is the army of the People, to protect the people. Killing a large number of Han people in Taiwan is not like killing a few Indians or a few Uyghurs, (to Xi, I mean, I think it is all shocking) there will be serious divisions amongst the Chinese leadership. In addition, Taiwan has YunFeng homemade cruise missiles with a range of 1,200 miles. Those must be a significant deterrent.

    On another note, China gets 30% of its computer chips from Taiwan. They and the rest of the world will have some problems with their supply chains.

    It is really complex and every opinion about what might happen is pretty much as good as every other opinion.
    But taking over a historic Chinese land in Taiwan is not being a global tyrant. They see it as China proper as any Chinese leader would.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shutree View Post
    If anyone has other knotty geopolitical issues requiring solutions then I am available to consult at modest fees, simply send me a pm.
    Indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    But taking over a historic Chinese land in Taiwan is not being a global tyrant. They see it as China proper as any Chinese leader would.
    They don't beleive in democracy, Taiwan has enjoyed it and prefers it to authoritarian rule under one bloke with a little dick, big mouth and a big ego. Its a regional trait, are you Asian?

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    The United States, the EU, and other like-minded countries should look to interact with Taiwan in multilateral arenas that are less susceptible to Chinese influence.The United States, the EU, and other like-minded countries should look to interact with Taiwan in multilateral arenas that are less susceptible to Chinese influence. F States, it will hit China hard too. Reeling from a lockdown during much of February and March, and a weakened economy that has been slowing down since at least last year, China saw its first-quarter GDP fall by 6.8 percent, its first reported decrease since the 1970s. Export orders are expected to remain weak due to declining demand from such markets as the United States and EU, while Chinese consumers will not spend as much as before.

    China’s main method of enticing states is hefty so-called financial aid and a massive appetite for commodity imports as well as the world’s largest consumer market and pool of overseas tourists. All three have been weakened and will continue to be so for the upcoming future, making it harder for China to tempt or punish countries through economic means.

    After winning her second term in January, Tsai said Taiwan is already independent. Most of the world should openly recognize this too, rather than continuing to pander to China’s ludicrous claim to Taiwan.

    For the sake of not just Taiwan but the world, all options must be on the table when it comes to furthering Taiwan’s presence on the international stage.

    Stop Pandering to Beijing on Taiwan Relations
    This is the dumbest most tone deaf article yet on the subject. I lost count at how many recommendations in the piece that would result in war.

    Just like Ukraine. In 2007 during the Bush admin , the US first said that they'd like to take over Ukraine and add it to NATO. Russia said that would result in war. And now there is a war.

    Anyone supporting the US in sending war ships to Taiwan is supporting war.
    Last edited by Backspin; 01-04-2021 at 12:58 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    This is the dumbest most tone deaf article yet on the subject. I lost count at how many recommendations in the piece that would result in war.
    You'll summed that up well Backspin, my thoughts exactly.

    Unbelievable really. Mr. Yip is quite the character, I won't be checking out any of his other works.





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    Quote Originally Posted by strigils View Post
    They don't beleive in democracy, Taiwan has enjoyed it and prefers it to authoritarian rule under one bloke with a little dick, big mouth and a big ego. Its a regional trait, are you Asian?
    Chna is fine with the status quo. Taiwan can keep the democratic system. What it is not fine with , is the US turning it into yet another US military outpost in the region. Like Japan and South Korea are. And the US is openly stating that it wants to do this.

    This is pure realpolitik. I'm not saying I support China. I think we should stop trading with them. And forget trying to change them
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    Taiwan, US sign coast guard MOU

    Taiwan and the US on Thursday signed a memorandum of understanding (MOU) to establish a coast guard working group, the first official document inked by the two nations since US President Joe Biden took office in January.


    The memorandum was signed by American Institute in Taiwan (AIT) Managing Director Ingrid Larson and Representative to the US Hsiao Bi-khim (蕭美琴) in Washington.


    The memorandum “affirms a relationship with the common objectives of preserving maritime resources; reducing illegal, unreported, and unregulated fishing; and participating in joint maritime search and rescue as well as maritime environmental response events,” the AIT said in a news statement yesterday.

    “The United States supports Taiwan’s meaningful participation and contributions to issues of global concern, including in maritime security and safety, and in building networks to facilitate maritime law enforcement information exchange and international cooperation,” it said.


    Based on the document, the two sides would establish a working group between Taiwan’s Coast Guard Administration (CGA) and the US Coast Guard (USCG) for communication and information sharing, and to build a stronger partnership on maritime rescue missions and maritime law enforcement, President Tsai Ing-wen (蔡英文) wrote on Facebook yesterday.


    “We are of a maritime country, and ocean is inscribed in the DNA of Taiwanese,” Tsai said.
    As a responsible stakeholder of the Indo-Pacific region, Taiwan is willing to make more contributions in maritime affairs, and aims to defend a free and open Indo-Pacific region, she said.


    Minister of Foreign Affairs Joseph Wu (吳釗燮) yesterday afternoon hosted a news conference in Taipei marking the signing of the document.


    The signing of the memorandum shows that bilateral relations are “rock solid” and that there was no transition period to the new US administration, he said.


    Connected to the world by ocean, Taiwan is committed to defending freedom, democracy and human rights with the US and other like-minded partners, he said, adding that the nation hopes to expand maritime cooperation with other countries as well.


    “This MOU formalizes our already robust and longstanding cooperation with Taiwan’s coast guard,” AIT Director Brent Christensen said, describing Taiwan’s coast guard as “highly versatile in a variety of skills.”


    Taiwan’s coast guard regularly takes part in training exercises at the US Coast Guard Academy, and it also invites USCG members to visit Taiwan to increase bilateral interactions, CGA Director-General Chou Mei-wu (周美伍) said.


    Trained as a navy officer, Chou served as National Security Bureau special correspondent in Washington before he assumed his current position in January.


    The CGA has been working to increase the coast guard’s capabilities to enforce maritime law and defend local fishers’ rights, Chou said, expressing the hope to work with more allies to defend stability in the region.


    At the end of the news conference, Chou presented to Christensen a model of the new 4,000-tonne frigate Chiayi, which bears the name “Taiwan” in addition to the “Republic of China (ROC),” as instructed by Tsai.


    The news conference was also attended by Japanese Representative to Taiwan Hiroyasu Izumi, British Representative to Taiwan John Dennis and Canadian Representative to Taiwan Jordan Reeves, as well as other foreign envoys.
    Taiwan, US sign coast guard MOU - Taipei Times

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    ^^ Bullshit from you as usual, was China fine with Tibet. You get your end away in asia and you think that makes you some kind of expert, its a North American trait,. You travel one province in your lifetime and think it makes you world wise. You can't even understand the bloke who brought you up, yet here you are out thinking diplomats, ably supported by Florida man, Seattle idiot and who knows else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    And the US is openly stating that it wants to do this.
    ^^You mean as above with the coast guard?

    Or do you have some link to the US openly stating it wants to make Taiwan a military outpost?

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    ^No. I wasn't aware of this till now. First comes the MOU on the coast guard. Next will be ships for the coast guard. Hmm I wonder what kind of armerment and radar those ships will have....

    Taiwan and the US on Thursday signed a memorandum of understanding (MOU) to establish a coast guard working group
    Wow. Just wow. Talk about creeping right up to the red line.

    This is really going to happen. There is going to be a war for Taiwan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    Or do you have some link to the US openly stating it wants to make Taiwan a military outpost?
    Again, where does the US openly state it wants to make Taiwan a military outpost?

    Perhaps it is only your opinion the US wants to make Taiwan a military outpost.

    I think the US just wants to sell Taiwan the equipment to defend themselves and if they can’t maybe step in to defend them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by strigils View Post
    They don't beleive in democracy,
    You may have missed this:

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    Who Runs China?

    What the West Gets Wrong About Its China Organizational Assumptions

    By Chris Devonshire-Ellis 20/03/2021

    "A common mistake made by many Western based China observers – and global media, when it comes to China is to assume that the figurehead at the top of Government is in complete charge. This derives in part from the all-encompassing position of the US President, from whom an assumption is that top-down decisions filter down.

    The same, incorrect assumption is often levelled at the British Prime Minister of the day, and of most Western leaders. Taking up the responsibility for the pros and cons of their leadership, they are the characters most seen to be explaining and even appearing to own Government. This Western perceptive is also how people often view China. Common headlines refer to China as ‘autocratic’, a ‘dictatorship’ and other such dubious terms. However, China is far more subtle than this, and its days of dictators long gone.

    The United States, and much of the West has not, and does not, understand that the Premier of China does not make policies. Xi Jinping might review policy in its final stages, he might sometimes announce them, but rarely, but he does not run China. He runs the Government.

    The CPC and the Government of China have a very decentralized policy system, in which experts follow the “scientific method” over many years, even decades, until policies are tested, and tested again for linkage to other national priorities. The CPC makes policy, the Government implements. The policy groupings contain many from Government. But it is the CPC which leads the development of policy.

    Therefore, the US placing sanctions on Chinese individuals – be it Carrie Lam, the Chief Executive of Hong Kong, Wang Chen, a member of the 25-person Politburo, one of China’s top decision-making bodies, or Tam Yiu-chung, the only Hong Konger on the committee to have drafted China’s national security law makes no sense. In China, it is viewed as individually spiteful. It is also frustrating for the China Government as it demonstrates that the US has no idea how to approach dialogue or direct targets, either for negative issues such as sanctions, or for positive issues such as trade talks and other more positive areas of cooperation.

    The United States Government has erred in what it sees as targeting culpable individuals. This in turn is why the Alaska talks have deteriorated – Chinese diplomats, lawmakers and officials are made to feel as if they have been personally singled out and made individually responsible for national policy. No wonder the Chinese delegation referred to the US side as ‘condescending’ when seeming to ignore the entire Chinese Governmental decision-making process. The United States policy of placing sanction on individuals has had the effect of making the US as a country appear to be dealing with specific, targeted personnel and not with the Chinese Government.

    It has the same approach to Russia, with US President Biden referring to Russian President Putin as ‘a killer’ when there is an entire state apparatus to contend with. While Putin is not everyone’s cup of tea, he is still the head of state of a powerful nation. Meanwhile, Mohammed Bin Salam, who the FBI stated was ‘culpable’ for the grisly murder of journalist Jamal Khashoggi, is not sanctioned. These are double standards, and the Chinese know this too.

    The initial approach by the new Biden administration towards China and Russia has not been ideal. Instead of diplomacy, Washington’s modus operandi appears to be leaning towards making it personal. With negotiating more favorable trade terms with India next up, and an increasingly nationalistic Prime Minister Modi in power, the United States is potentially well on course to be having disagreements with just about everybody, making US-India talks even more important. Should they not proceed well, that should be indication enough that a re-think of how Washington engages with other countries Governments would be well overdue".

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    Quote Originally Posted by russellsimpson View Post
    Never going to happen. That would, rightly so imo, be considered a very aggressive move from the Chinese point of view.
    As if the fucking chinkies need any excuse to get their whiny tits in a wringer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    You may have missed this:
    What, the bullshit propaganda piece you posted written by a paid-up chinky stooge?

    Naah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    any excuse to get their whiny tits in a wringer.
    Better than bombing women and children.

    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    the bullshit propaganda
    The message, not the messenger, is usually the more important of the interaction.

    Are you disputing the Chinese government's working procedures the messenger has posted?

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