Thread: Senate Rebukes Biden

Originally Posted by russellsimpson

the symbolic amendment

...I guess you missed this part...more senatorial blather for the voters...

Sens. Joe Manchin (D-WV)

He is, remains, and always will be a Dem in name only.

All the talk of the Dems having Kamala as the tie-breaker in the Senate ignores the fact that he will vote the GOP side on practically everything.

Originally Posted by russellsimpson

"Why Pres. Biden shut it down and 48 Senate Democrats just voted to keep it closed is beyond me."

At a guess:

Environment damage during construction
Pollution Risk
Transition from Fossil Fuels
Desecration of Sacred Lands

All of which the fucking chump could look up if he got his head out of his arse.

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

He is, remains, and always will be a Dem in name only.

All the talk of the Dems having Kamala as the tie-breaker in the Senate ignores the fact that he will vote the GOP side on practically everything.

Spot on
Manchin is an embarrassment to the Democratic Party.

The pipeline is bad for the economy, and bad for the environment.
Shifting to alternative sources of energy, will create more jobs, in the long run.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

At a guess:

Environment damage during construction
Pollution Risk
Transition from Fossil Fuels
Desecration of Sacred Lands

All of which the fucking chump could look up if he got his head out of his arse.

What he said....

Originally Posted by beachbound

The pipeline is bad for the economy, and bad for the environment.
Shifting to alternative sources of energy, will create more jobs, in the long run.

I'm not sure why it's bad for the economy?

I agree that "it will create more jobs in the long run.". In the short run though much pain and suffering to be had. I suppose if the government is willing to provide wage relief on a massive scale and for a long time things will eventually work out.

There will be pain and suffering. Let's ensure these things are shared equitably amoung all levels of society( which would be a refreshing change.)

Originally Posted by russellsimpson

I'm not sure why it's bad for the economy?

I agree that "it will create more jobs in the long run.". In the short run though much pain and suffering to be had. I suppose if the government is willing to provide wage relief on a massive scale and for a long time things will eventually work out.

There will be pain and suffering. Let's ensure these things are shared equitably amoung all levels of society( which would be a refreshing change.)

What pain and suffering? The oil companies?

They can fuck off.

A few thousand temporary jobs?

Put them to work building renewables infrastructure.

Originally Posted by russellsimpson

I suspect M. Biden executive order was also largely symbolic. There are a hug number of electoral college votes in NY and California in particular.

The Senate vote was symbolic because it did nothing to put the pipeline back into play. Where Biden's executive order did take the building of the pipeline out of play, so why would you wonder if it was also "largely symbolic"

Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai

The Senate vote was symbolic because it did nothing to put the pipeline back into play. Where Biden's executive order did take the building of the pipeline out of play, so why would you wonder if it was also "largely symbolic"

Mainly because the Keystone was was very much small potatoes. It ran from the Canadian border south only as far as Nebraska. There it joined already existing infrastructure which then moved it down into the Gulf.

I don't want anybody to get me wrong. I believe the dirty fuels have to go, the sooner the better.

I stand by my point that Bidens vote was largely symbolic. There are far bigger fish to fry than this in the long term. Biden, if he doesn't fall and break his neck while jogging down the Air force 1 steps or attempting other silly physical feats, is bound to accomplish a good deal.

Originally Posted by russellsimpson

There are far bigger fish to fry than this in the long term. Biden, if he doesn't fall and break his neck while jogging down the Air force 1 steps or attempting other silly physical feats, is bound to accomplish a good deal.

It's cringeworthy seeing him shuffle/run, trying to show how fit and young he is . . . no-one cares as long as he does a good job

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

What pain and suffering? The oil companies?

They can fuck off.

A few thousand temporary jobs?

Put them to work building renewables infrastructure.

Agreed

Originally Posted by russellsimpson

Mainly because the Keystone was was very much small potatoes. It ran from the Canadian border south only as far as Nebraska. There it joined already existing infrastructure which then moved it down into the Gulf.

I don't want anybody to get me wrong. I believe the dirty fuels have to go, the sooner the better.

I stand by my point that Bidens vote was largely symbolic. There are far bigger fish to fry than this in the long term. Biden, if he doesn't fall and break his neck while jogging down the Air force 1 steps or attempting other silly physical feats, is bound to accomplish a good deal.

It was very much a big deal to the people it had the potential to fuck up, and it was also one of Biden's first campaign promises, so far from symbolic: More the measure of the man.

This is a victory for the little guys against an oil industry that has spent decades paying Republicans and a few Democrats for the political decisions it needs, so fucking good on you, Joe.

There will be no appetite for this now unless the dumb cunts want to resurrect it out of spite; Oil companies are losing their taste for tar sands for numerous reasons.

Originally Posted by russellsimpson

I don't want anybody to get me wrong

Russ, I’m pretty sure that ship sailed a few years ago.

So the oil goes by train. BNSF actually, which is owned by Warren Buffett another dumbocrat supporter. I guess the dickheads in the world think moving oil by train is better and safer than a pipeline! But reality often does not coincide with the dreams of liberal wankers. Effectively stopping a pipeline designed to transfer oil from one place to another is absurd. Which is a brother to the same absurdity that we will all be driving electric cars in the next decade or 2. Or that manufacturing electric cars is environmentally friendly. It's a pity we cannot replace some of the liberal wankers on this forum with normal clear thinking people...

Ps: I look forward to reading some more posts on this thread. You never know I may get a normal clear thinking reply....

Originally Posted by beachbound

Originally Posted by russellsimpson
I don't want anybody to get me wrong.

Russ, I’m pretty sure that ship sailed a few years ago.

...555...

Originally Posted by Grumpy John

So the oil goes by train. BNSF actually, which is owned by Warren Buffett another dumbocrat supporter.

Fact check: Buffett did not donate to Biden; oil that would have been transported through the Keystone XL Pipeline will use existing infrastructure, not Buffett-owned railroad | Reuters

Shut.

The Fuck.

Up.

Originally Posted by Grumpy John

So the oil goes by train. BNSF actually, which is owned by Warren Buffett another dumbocrat supporter.

Once again proving that you are a blinkered moron. That oil will not cross the boarder by train as it was never intended to be sold on the American market. It was going to be pumped to the gulf coast and loaded onto tankers bound for China you stupid lemming.

Originally Posted by Grumpy John

Which is a brother to the same absurdity that we will all be driving electric cars in the next decade or 2.

Shut up boomer.