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    Are there structural differences between the brains of Conservatives and Progressive.

    I posted this subject in another forum but I wanted to get that take of this more cerebral forum on the subject.

    With the state of politics in the world and the arguments we have about them , I was always perplexed by the inability of some , who are otherwise reasonable in other subjects, to accept arguments supported by facts, and links to sources supporting these facts, They seem to simply ignore them , and move on to a different argument, often later returning to the refuted argument l.


    I always wondered why that was? What took people down that rabbit hole. So it seems that there have been several studies that suggest Progressives have a larger Anterior cingulate gyrus, that is an area of thanking in new information and the impact new information has in making choices.Conservatives tended on the whole to have a larger right Amygdala. Amygdala being a deeper structure. that processes more emotional information specifically fear based information ,so it's really responsible for the fight or flight response Of course peoplea re different for many reasons but if one used only that metrix, It Predicts with a 71,6% certainty who would be a Conservative and who would be a Progressive. (the lecturer uses the term liberal, but i don't like that term because it has a negative connotation )


    So a question is , is it Nature or nurture? were we born that way, or is it due to brain plasticity ? That because we think that way , that part of the brain developed more and became larger, creating a vicious cycle,


    And how do we deal about it? I lean toward the lobotomy solution, preferably a DIY do it at home kit.
    The above are not my words but repeated from the lecture video below, that explains the concept .better than I ever could given the constraints of this forum. so watch the lecture and tell me what you think.

    PS: I wanted the title to be "Do progressives have brain damage" but in the spirit of respect and understanding that this forum seems to represent , I modified the title.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    here in TVF
    eherm..

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    I'm pretty sure they added the second sentence to explain it to people like deeks.

    The results of a 4 year study show that Americans who obtain their news from Fox News channel have an average IQ of 80, which represents a 20 point deficit when compared to the U.S. national average of 100. IQ, or intelligence quotient, is the international standard of assessing intelligence.

    Intelligence Institute Study shows Fox News viewers have an IQ that is 20 points lower than the U.S. National average. - Press Release - Digital Journal

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    The question is , did watching the Fox News Entertainment network reduce their IQ by 20 points, or they go there because they are stupid.
    I say the were stupid before they went there, and now they are stupiderer

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    Quote Originally Posted by lom View Post
    eherm..
    a bit of a cut an paste Fax pass ,
    I edited to reflect the nature of this forum LOL For those of you who don't speak German "Fax Pass" means fuckup in Engalish.
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    I think we were ahead of the game with simple phrenology.

    We know pretty much zero about the brain including the many diseases associated with same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by russellsimpson View Post
    I think we were ahead of the game with simple phrenology.

    We know pretty much zero about the brain including the many diseases associated with same.
    Not entirely true. Perhaps we don't know as much as we should,but there has been tremendous advancement towards mapping the brain, they have been able to observe the electrical activity of single thoughts. etc
    "Watching a Single Thought Form in the Brain "
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    That is frankly an astonishing difference in IQ, and it is hard to argue with the methodology used, or size of the sample group- and thus the findings. From a conservative leaning journal too.
    So the GOP's descent into lowbrow populism and partisanship has worked brilliantly, and the GOP is now officially the party of dumb. This small 'c' conservative finds absolutely no pleasure in that.
    But sadly, it does follow script- birtherism, Pizzagate, the Clinton mass murder cabal, Venezuelan voting machines, Q-anon, they're a comin' for yer guns.. Barely veiled racism and outright voter suppression. Yes, truly the party of Stoopid- and now we've got scientific analysis to back that up.


    Real conservatism in the USA lies in tatters. Sigh. Just to point out- the GOP is NOT conservative. It is Right wing, reactionary, and populist. They can call it 'Conservative' all they want- but it is Not conservative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    That is frankly an astonishing difference in IQ, and it is hard to argue with the methodology used, or size of the sample group- and thus the findings. From a conservative leaning journal too.
    So the GOP's descent into lowbrow populism and partisanship has worked brilliantly, and the GOP is now officially the party of dumb. This small 'c' conservative finds absolutely no pleasure in that.
    But sadly, it does follow script- birtherism, Pizzagate, the Clinton mass murder cabal, Venezuelan voting machines, Q-anon, they're a comin' for yer guns.. Barely veiled racism and outright voter suppression. Yes, truly the party of Stoopid- and now we've got scientific analysis to back that up.


    Real conservatism in the USA lies in tatters. Sigh. Just to point out- the GOP is NOT conservative. It is Right wing, reactionary, and populist. They can call it 'Conservative' all they want- but it is Not conservative.
    I agree with you, trump has destroyed the republican party and Conservatism.
    If you listen to the lecture, you will see that there is no absolute Conservative or Progressive, there is a bell curve with enough slope on either side to give shelter to Pragmatists. Times change, we conserve what works , discard what does not, and Progress toward what works as new information comes in.

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    It started before trump though. He is just the culmination. Now the disgrace is complete.

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    liberal , conservative , progressive , boomer , genx etc are marketing gambits used to sell you sh1t

    not sure if anyone has read " prisoners dilemma by poundstone " , but my interpretaion is our world is made up of givers and takers and the percentages of each increase and decrease as they swing about equilibrium , and that both are needed for function.

    selfishness and selflessness , and they both need each other

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    The Fox empire is built on its appeal to the lowest common denominator. The political arm actually has little depth, preferring entertaining sound bytes that attract the stupid, who already lack depth.
    That demographic will not need too much detail in order to be convinced that, what little info they are given, is based on their ability to process such minimalist hooks.
    I suspect most come from rural or isolated backgrounds where they have not been exposed to any depth greater than their choice of breakfast cereal.

    Im still firmly in the collaborative camp that combines nature and nurture in equal measure, but that only works with a more intelligent demographic, who have ability to think critically about the impact of certain choices.
    The ability to embrace change, with considered scepticism is probably more nurture than nature.

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    "Watching a Single Thought Form in the Brain "

    I read it and found it good for a laugh.

    These are the people who think everything on the planet is quantifiable. All they're really doing is mapping brain activity. I find their thinking quite simplistic.

    In any case thanks for bringing the article to our attention.
    Watching a Single Thought Form in the Brain | MIT Technology Review[/QUOTE]
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    So it seems that there have been several studies that suggest Progressives have a larger Anterior cingulate gyrus, that is an area of thanking in new information and the impact new information has in making choices.Conservatives tended on the whole to have a larger right Amygdala. Amygdala being a deeper structure. that processes more emotional information specifically fear based information
    Fear based or experience based. Progressives might be more open to new ideas but the Conservatives pay the bills?
    Not everything that is new is better. Conservatives will argue that actually nothing is really new.
    OK to be Progressive but not simply for its own sake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    a bit of a cut an paste Fax pass ,
    I edited to reflect the nature of this forum LOL For those of you who don't speak German "Fax Pass" means fuckup in Engalish.
    Cough. Faux pas.

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    This fucking thread was wiped. I want the fucking mod to own up to who did it you fucking chickenshit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
    liberal , conservative , progressive , boomer , genx etc are marketing gambits used to sell you sh1t

    not sure if anyone has read " prisoners dilemma by poundstone " , but my interpretaion is our world is made up of givers and takers and the percentages of each increase and decrease as they swing about equilibrium , and that both are needed for function.

    selfishness and selflessness , and they both need each other

    Prisoner's dilemma - Wikipedia
    I have not , but I have now include it in my reading bucket list, and hopefully will get to it soon,
    I agree that both are nessacery for the human condition. Both are nessacery in proper proportion.
    My assertion is that nurture changes the trajectory of such balance with associated positive or negative outcomes.
    Is the proportion of the incidence of genius in proportion to population in classical Greece an genetic accident, or was it an accidental byproduct of culture and by extension nurture? After Hellenism succumb to Christianity, was there a genetic change that resulted in the end of such genius? or was there a shift in culture and by extension nurture?
    I know I am introducing a lot of threads to follow, but they all IMO have a common direction, that IMO presents an existential danger to our species.
    Can I blame someone for their behaviour, if they are hardwired through no fault of their own? Should I take pride in mine if it is not the result of anything I did?
    I am 63 years old, in 30 years I expect to have resolved all of these questions, in the man time it is fun to think about them.
    Below is peer reviewed research that supports my assertion concerning nurture in structural changes changes I introduced in the OP , underlined is the specific reference. I wonder if the same brain Plasticity could reverse the condition. I remember reading something about it but I have not been able to find the Abstract.
    " Results:
    GMV was reduced by 19.1% in the right medial frontal gyrus (medial prefrontal cortex; MPFC, BA10) (P = 0.037, corrected cluster level), by 14.5% in the left medial frontal gyrus (dorsolateral prefrontal cortex; DLPFC, BA 9) (P = 0.015, uncorrected cluster level) and by 16.9% in the right anterior cingulate gyrus (BA 24) (P < 0.001, uncorrected cluster level) of HCP subjects. There were significant correlations between GMV in these identified regions and performance IQ on the WAIS-III.
    "
    Reduced Prefrontal Cortical Gray Matter Volume in Young Adults Exposed to Harsh Corporal Punishment

    PS: a lot of good responses in this thread, I appreciate all of them, unfortunately I cant respond to all of them in a meaningful way.I will try. Also I hope my writing style is not pretentious. If it is it is only because I try not to open too many fronts with my language and derail the direction I want this thread to take. You all know that I use different language , often bordering on the infantile in other venues. I know you all do the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    This fucking thread was wiped. I want the fucking mod to own up to who did it you fucking chickenshit.
    Kee Not moderating LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by VocalNeal View Post
    Fear based or experience based. Progressives might be more open to new ideas but the Conservatives pay the bills?
    Not everything that is new is better. Conservatives will argue that actually nothing is really new.
    OK to be Progressive but not simply for its own sake.
    If you carefully listen to the OP lecture in the video, you will see that that the presenter is carful to say that there is a Bell Curve on both sides of the spectrum and that very few are all one ot the other.
    We are like a stripper,
    A sripper dances from one legg to the other, and in the middle she makes her living"

    as far as conservatives paying the bills, I wonder who are the richest states in the US, and pay the most bills, Conservative states like Alabama or Louisiana, or Progressive states such as New York or California ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    This fucking thread was wiped. I want the fucking mod to own up to who did it you fucking chickenshit.
    Ol' snubby can't hold his liquor.


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    Quote Originally Posted by VocalNeal View Post
    Progressives might be more open to new ideas but the Conservatives pay the bills?
    Usually yes, but we're talking about the US where general international political divides don't apply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Usually yes, but we're talking about the US where general international political divides don't apply.
    I think what we consider Progressives in the US , in Europe you would consider Conservatives and what we consider Conservatives in the US now days in Europe you would consider lunatics , LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    I think what we consider Progressives in the US , in Europe you would consider Conservatives and what we consider Conservatives in the US now days in Europe you would consider lunatics
    not too wrong there. Replace 'lunatics' with corporate fascist lunatics

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    not too wrong there. Replace 'lunatics' with corporate fascist lunatics
    I was watching a Elon Musk interview in YouTube concerning AI and corporate culture, This is what he said , I paraphrase from memory.
    " No one in corporate america likes regulation, but in the instance of AI we need regulation because no one will slow down development of AI even if they think they should, because if they did, they will be eliminated by the competition that does not slow down" he said " we need to be active in this, by the time we are reactive it would be too late"
    IMO the same applies in all other aspects only with less existential danger . I don't think corporate culture is fascist by choice, I think it has no choice under the current paradigm but to be fascist, those who are not do not survive very long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    I think what we consider Progressives in the US , in Europe you would consider Conservatives and what we consider Conservatives in the US now days in Europe you would consider lunatics , LOL
    If that’s true, then I sould seem to be misguided regarding political affiliation in the USA. In my mind the progressives are the left wing of the democrat party.
    The conservative are the right wing of the Republican Party.

    Trump was, in my view, a right wing extremist, ploughing a furrow for the corporate community to have greater freedoms via less regulation, hoping for trickle down benefits to pacify the centrist Democrats?
    Biden is epitomized by his centrist view, which only developed in order to pacify the centrist leaning right wing conservatives.

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