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    The Long Read: How I Survived a Chinese "Re-education" Camp

    'Our souls are dead': how I survived a Chinese 're-education' camp for Uighurs | Uighurs | The Guardian

    I presume our resident China apologists will compare this to a scholarship at Oxford. Something to be thankful to the authorities for?

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    Read that on the site . . . sobering and frightening.

    Why anyone would (OhNo) be an apologist for mass-incarceration, torture and death by the state or deflect to another country's issues (Loondyke) I have no idea.

    This carte-blanche support of a diabolical regime is simply ridiculous . . . and the hypocrisy of doing so while living in the safety of another country and having used Canada and the UK (supposedly) as support bases . . . well . . . amazing


    Xinjiang is essential to President Xi Jinping’s great plan – that is, a peaceful Xinjiang, open for business, cleansed of its separatist tendencies and its ethnic tensions. In short, Xinjiang without Uighurs.
    Says it all - ethnic cleansing, a holocaust.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hallelujah View Post
    'Our souls are dead': how I survived a Chinese 're-education' camp for Uighurs | Uighurs | The Guardian

    I presume our resident China apologists will compare this to a scholarship at Oxford. Something to be thankful to the authorities for?

    Here's the other side of the story


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    Is there nothing a totalitarian state does where you won't be an apologist for?


    Please do read the article cited by Hal instead of knee-jerk posting of youtube and some cnp. Do make an effort and stop dragging this place down with your constant anti-intellectualism

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Is there nothing a totalitarian state does where you won't be an apologist for?


    Please do read the article cited by Hal instead of knee-jerk posting of youtube and some cnp. Do make an effort and stop dragging this place down with your constant anti-intellectualism
    An objective person would surmise that the truth is somewhere in the middle. Instead of calling the counter point "anti-intellectualism".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    An objective person would surmise that the truth is somewhere in the middle.
    No. A lazy dickhead would - enter Skidmark. Did you go to university? Seriously. Have you ever heard of critical thinking?

    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    Instead of calling the counter point "anti-intellectualism".
    What you do is counter-intellectual. You just admitted it by the following:
    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    An objective person would surmise that the truth is somewhere in the middle.
    Having said that, why do you then buy into the neo-con right wing fascist garbage unabated?

    You still say that the elections were rigged, so the middle between rigged and not rigged is . . . half rigged? Your assertion that Trump has had his internet cut by the big three is wrong, but according to you you are correct.

    Skidmark: Trump has been silenced
    Fact: Trump can access the internet any time he likes. Facebook and Twitter have chucked his accounts because he wasn't adhering to clear guidelines of use.
    Skidmark: It's somewhere in the middle

    NO, IT ISN'T. That's lazy anti-intellectualism. That's . . . you

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Did you go to university?


    Fat chance.

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    I didn't support Trump one iota. I can't stand the cocksucker. But I'm skeptical about how the election went

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    ^Unlike the 60 or so Judges, including those of the Supreme Court (some of whom were appointed by Trump himself), who looked at the evidence presented by Trump's attorney's to see if there was basis for further action then told them all to GTFO. I've got no dog in the fight but when this information was shared it wasn't hard to come to the conclusion that there never was any real evidence of election fraud, only of a deflated ego who's case relied solely on people just having to believe what he said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    But I'm skeptical about how the election went
    Knee-jerk absolutism coupled with believing bizarre counter-factual neo-con talking points without proof is neither critical thinking nor healthy scepticism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Headworx View Post
    ^Unlike the 60 or so Judges, including those of the Supreme Court (some of whom were appointed by Trump himself), who looked at the evidence presented by Trump's attorney's to see if there was basis for further action then told them all to GTFO. I've got no dog in the fight but when this information was shared it wasn't hard to come to the conclusion that there never was any real evidence of election fraud, only of a deflated ego who's case relied solely on people just having to believe what he said.
    I am not a universal suffrage small d democrat like both sides of this election are.

    I respect their ruling and their decision to move things along. And I am confident that the CIA stepped on the scales in a way that wouldnt be found out. Might makes right. The conservatives are suckers for trying to play by the rules. The muscle behind the republicunt party should have flushed trump out at the convention. You gotta give it to the lefties.

    But you don't need a degree in statistical analysis to see that some of the election data doesn't add up.
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    Perhaps ask a few survivors of the Erawan shrine bombing in BKK 'How I survived a bombing'. Carried out by Chnese Uighur seperatists. This one sided propaganda helps nothing and nobody.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Perhaps ask a few survivors of the Erawan shrine bombing in BKK 'How I survived a bombing'. Carried out by Chnese Uighur seperatists.
    Really? Tried and convicted in a court of law?

    It's news to me because, as far as I was aware, the Thai authorities have got no idea and have been plucking all manner of names out of the air.

    Sounds like more mudslinging from our resident Sinophiles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    But you don't need a degree in statistical analysis to see that some of the election data doesn't add up.
    Be that as it may, you also don't need a degree in law to know that when 60 (sixty) judges say there's no case to answer it becomes very clear no evidence that's presentable in the eyes of the law exists.

    Election data and Trump's personal protests have the same bearing on this, which is none. If there was any real evidence we wouldn't be having this conversation, we'd be talking about probable outcomes of court cases and federal investigations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hallelujah View Post
    Really? Tried and convicted in a court of law?

    It's news to me because, as far as I was aware, the Thai authorities have got no idea and have been plucking all manner of names out of the air.

    Sounds like more mudslinging from our resident Sinophiles.
    Give me a news source that you approve of and I'll fill you in on what happened with the BKK bombing.

    CNN ? BBC ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    Give me a news source that you approve of and I'll fill you in on what happened with the BKK bombing.

    CNN ? BBC ?
    The only source of information I'd take seriously from a clown like you would be from the Disney Channel.

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    Thailand's Shrine Bombing - The Case For Turkey's Grey Wolves

    Thailand's Shrine Bombing - The Case For Turkey's Grey Wolves

    The most likely perpetrators of the deadly Bangkok bombing last week were militant members of a right-wing Turkish organization infuriated by the Thai government’s forcible repatriation of Uighur refugees back to China. Anthony Davis, a veteran security analyst with IHS-Jane’s, made a persuasive case for the Grey Wolves on a panel at the Foreign Correspondents Club of Thailand Monday evening.


    Update 30 August. A suspect has been arrested, found in a suburban Bangkok apartment supplied with bomb-making components and a pile of forged Turkish passports. He isn't talking, which hasn't stopped the national Thai police chief from making unsupported pronouncements.



    Davis did not rule out the possibility that other foreign militant Muslim organizations could be responsible for August 18 bomb at the Erawan Shrine that killed 20 people and injured 126. He found it extremely unlikely, however, that it was the work of Thai dissident political groups or even of the Muslim insurgents in southern Thailand who have waged a separatist war in three border provinces for the past decade.


    Some of the strongest evidence in favor of the ultra-nationalist Grey Wolves was the fury throughout Turkey that followed the Thai repatriation on July 9 of 109 Uighurs and the Grey Wolves’ visibility during the attacks on the Thai Embassy in Istanbul. A violent wing of the loosely organized pan-Turkic organization in recent years has taken up the cause of the Uighurs. The Uighurs are persecuted fellow Muslims in China’s western Xinjiang province, which Uighurs call “East Turkestan.”

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    And, as yet, nobody has been convicted. Added to which, we all know the Thai police force's propensity for a scapegoat.

    However, let's say, for argument's sake, that further down the line the suspects are convicted and their reasoning was because Thailand deported the 109 Uighurs back to China in 2015.

    It brings us to the original question and the crux of the matter: why are they so desperate to leave China and why are they so angry at being sent back?

    Well, we know the answer to that, don't we?

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    ^^One bombing allegedly carried out by Uighurs hardly justifies 380 internment camps and the detention of 1.5 million people.

    Everyone reading this forum will know of the alleged involvement of Uighurs in the bombing of the Erawan shrine

    hallelulah asked you to post something up showing that they'd been tried and convicted in a court of law, as you well know.

    Every story that is news to you is not necessarily of interest to people with even rudimentary knowledge and memory of events in Thailand.

    Please stop pretending that you've missed the salient points of other people's posts all the time.

    Along with klondick you are clogging the forum up with your shyte.

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    Hear hear, Cy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    ^^One bombing allegedly carried out by Uighurs hardly justifies 380 internment camps and the detention of 1.5 million people.

    Everyone reading this forum will know of the alleged involvement of Uighurs in the bombing of the Erawan shrine

    hallelulah asked you to post something up showing that they'd been tried and convicted in a court of law, as you well know.

    Every story that is news to you is not necessarily of interest to people with even rudimentary knowledge and memory of events in Thailand.

    Please stop pretending that you've missed the salient points of other people's posts all the time.

    Along with klondick you are clogging the forum up with your shyte.
    It was done by the grey wolves on behalf of their Muslim brothers, the Uigers. They all traffic in terrorism. That was sabangs point.

    I posted a video showing classic Muslim terrorist moves like running over ppl in cars , hacking ppl with knives and planting bombs, all in China , done by uigers

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    Quote Originally Posted by hallelujah View Post
    Sounds like more mudslinging from our resident snivelling chinky sycophants.
    FTFY.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    It was done by the grey wolves on behalf of their Muslim brothers, the Uigers. They all traffic in terrorism. That was sabangs point.

    I posted a video showing classic Muslim terrorist moves like running over ppl in cars , hacking ppl with knives and planting bombs, all in China , done by uigers
    For fucks sake. Do you think we needed you to explain Sabang's point to us?

    I think we're gonna have to start typing really slowly for you or something.

    Go back and try reading Cy's post again. Pay special attention to the part about being tried and convicted. See also the first sentence of my reply to you, which I really shouldn't have bothered with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    But you don't need a degree in statistical analysis to see that some of the election data doesn't add up.
    The only “election data” that doesn’t add up, is from Trump (I won in a landslide).
    He didn’t win anything, but he hates being a certified loser.
    Your feeble attempt at faux intellectualism has failed yet again.
    Random fake news does not breach the reality of anything, however you might believe it to be so.

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