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    US has just ended the decades long US recognition of the "One China" policy

    This is a diplomatic nuclear bomb.

    Washington "One-China" Policy Dead As Pompeo Lifts Restrictions On US-Taiwan Relations | ZeroHedge

    The embattled Trump administration has just nuked the decades long US recognition of the "One China" policy status quo in what surely constitutes the biggest shot across Beijing's bow after months of anti-China escalation.

    Despite the globe's attention focused on the Capitol protest chaos and Democrats readying a charge to impeach under Pelosie, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo on Saturday announced this absolute bombshell, namely that he's now lifting "self-imposed restrictions" on the relationship between the United States and Taiwan. He announced in an official statement:

    Today I am announcing that I am lifting all of these self-imposed restrictions. Executive branch agencies should consider all "contact guidelines" regarding relations with Taiwan previously issued by the Department of State under authorities delegated to the Secretary of State to be null and void.

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    ...Zero Hedge?...

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    Written by one Tyler Durden. Backspin, cant you do better?

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    Backspin, cant you do better?
    ...he doesn't respond well to rhetorical questions...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    Executive branch agencies should consider all "contact guidelines" regarding relations with Taiwan previously issued by the Department of State under authorities delegated to the Secretary of State to be null and void.
    This primarily benefits US Defense companies. Allows them to deal directly with Taiwan buyer organization. Not really an earth shaking change as always has been easily for these companies to do so anyway. Just a minor irritation to Beijing.

    Doubt we will see a US embassy in Taipei.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    One of several sources.
    ...the wrong one...

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    BBC via Yahoo news. If you prefer, Fox has one as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Just a minor irritation to Beijing.
    Nothing is a minor irritation to Beijing, the whiniest nation on earth.


    Anyway, good. Why not recognise Taiwan as a separate country - after all the world has been working with, trading and visiting Taiwan without China's approval for decades and many countries have embassies or representative offices in Taiwan . . . even HK had a Taiwanese Rep office

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    Written by one Tyler Durden. Backspin, cant you do better?
    Usually their posts include an official link but this one didn't

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    This primarily benefits US Defense companies. Allows them to deal directly with Taiwan buyer organization. Not really an earth shaking change as always has been easily for these companies to do so anyway. Just a minor irritation to Beijing.

    Doubt we will see a US embassy in Taipei.
    It is by far and away , the most sensitive issue in China's politics. Taiwan is something they would declare nuclear war over.

    It's all up to the Chinese now. If they have any integrity and self worth , they have to respond forcefully. If they don't respond to this , then they will respond to nothing. And the US might as well sail a couple aircraft carriers to Hong Kong and occupy it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    Taiwan is something they would declare nuclear war over.
    ...incorrect...
    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    It's all up to the Chinese now
    ...no, it isn't...
    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    If they have any integrity and self worth , they have to respond forcefully
    ...nonsense...
    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    If they don't respond to this , then they will respond to nothing.
    ..silly...
    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    And the US might as well sail a couple aircraft carriers to Hong Kong and occupy it
    ...utterly moronic...but thank you for your "thoughts"...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    It is by far and away , the most sensitive issue in China's politics. Taiwan is something they would declare nuclear war over.

    It's all up to the Chinese now. If they have any and self worth , they have to respond forcefully. If they don't respond to this , then they will respond to nothing. And the US might as well sail a couple aircraft carriers to Hong Kong and occupy it


    US has just ended the decades long US recognition of the "One China" policy-tenor-5-gif

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    Good god the stupid never stops. Skidmark never disappoints.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Nothing is a minor irritation to Beijing, the whiniest nation on earth.


    Anyway, good. Why not recognise Taiwan as a separate country - after all the world has been working with, trading and visiting Taiwan without China's approval for decades and many countries have embassies or representative offices in Taiwan . . . even HK had a Taiwanese Rep office
    What a naive, dumb statement !

    There is a world of difference between a trade office / representative and an embassy. You have just said that just because the world has been trading there for decades, why not take the step to official recognition.

    Good grief.

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    So a Republican Pres, Nixon, recognises PRC China and unrecognises Taiwan.
    Then some years later, an outgoing Republican admin, in it's last dying gasp, reneges on (yet another) international deal
    And soon the incoming Democrat Biden administration will reverse the whole thing, and it will be back to normal
    The US will soon enough be part of the WHO again too. Possibly the Iran nuclear deal too, although I suspect they are still subservient to Zionist Israel.


    Like, Yawwwn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    What a naive, dumb statement !
    Then you shouldn't make it . . . but you do:



    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    There is a world of difference between a trade office / representative and an embassy.
    Accredited diplomats from around the world work in Taiwan - ergo sum, a difference in name only.

    Are you now also a specialist in diplomatic relations? The offices are clearly de facto embassies and consulates and if you're too much of a simpleton to understand what a 'trade office' in this context means then you're well . . . chico.

    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    You have just said that just because the world has been trading there for decades, why not take the step to official recognition
    Yet you fail to make a point.

    In your never-ending quest to try anything anywhere to score your little 'points' you continuously make a fool of yourself. Well done, you succeeded yet again.



    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    reneges on (yet another) international deal
    Which "international deal" is that?

    Do you mean the Taiwan Relations Act?

    The Six Assurances, perhaps?

    How about the Taiwan Travel Act?

    No? Which "international deal" did the US 'renege' on, sabang?

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    The offices are clearly de facto embassies and consulates and if you're too much of a simpleton to understand what a 'trade office' in this context means then you're well . . .
    Well, derr...

    You failed to see my point. Go back and look at the big yellow word in my post.



    PS
    I had dealings with the Australian Trade Office in Taiwan in 1992...I know a smidgen about them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
    ...incorrect...
    ...no, it isn't...
    ...nonsense...
    ..silly...
    ...utterly moronic...but thank you for your "thoughts"...
    Ok. If something comes of this in the next while, I will be right. If its a nothing burger, you will be right. Just read the yellow parts.

    Here is an interview from PBS.org with the spokesman for the Chinese foreign ministry.\

    Question:
    Can I just say that that gives the impression to the Americans that China is a bully? It is a threatening power. It's a communist power which is threatening a small, tiny island. That, for an American, is a very disturbing prospect.



    Your impression, if you will permit me to say so, is totally wrong. It suggests that the United States is very keen on a peaceful solution to the Taiwan issue, while mainland China wants to use military force. I think this is a misunderstanding which gives a totally wrong impression.

    It is just because we want to solve the Taiwan question peacefully that we cannot give up the use of force. If we give up the use of force, that will only make a peaceful solution impossible. For instance, if the Taiwan separatists declare Taiwan independent, then how do we react? ...
    Furthermore, it's entirely China's own internal affair if we deploy military equipment on our own soil.

    Question:
    If they do declare independence, what will China's response be?
    If the Taiwan leader can acknowledge the one-China principle, and recognize the 1992 consensus, then talks across the Taiwan Strait can be resumed immediately. However, if he's bent on having his own way, and denies the principle of one China -- or even goes as far as what you said and declares independence -- then our answer is very clear-cut. We will not allow it to happen.

    The final solution of the Taiwan question and the ultimate reunification of the motherland is in the common interest of the people of China -- that is the 1.3 billion Chinese people, including those on Taiwan Island. No force can stand in the way of this.

    Question:
    If the leadership in Taiwan declared independence, you say you could not let that happen. The U.S. Defense Department worries that if that did happen, your response would be to use the many missiles you have got along the coast opposite Taiwan, and that would be much more devastating than the bombardment of the islands that happened in the 1950s, 1960s and 1970s. Is that the sort of response you would have?

    I have made our stand quite clear: Taiwanese independence is equal to war. That's why the United States should not support this movement; should not support independence for Taiwan. We, the two sides, should make joint efforts to achieve a peaceful settlement of the Taiwan issue.
    Last edited by Backspin; 10-01-2021 at 11:37 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post



    Which "international deal" is that?

    Do you mean the Taiwan Relations Act?

    The Six Assurances, perhaps?

    How about the Taiwan Travel Act?

    No? Which "international deal" did the US 'renege' on, sabang?
    Umm the US just openly scrapped the "one China" policy. You utter plonk.

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    The Joint Communiqué on the Establishment of Diplomatic Relations for a starter. More importantly, it upsets a major and long standing diplomatic precedent, in which the State Department and Executive office (well, Pompousarse and his insane clown of an outgoing president) appear to have ceded control and discretion over ongoing US military sales to Taiwan to private enterprise. The good old MI complex, all in the name of freedom and democracy.

    But it doesn't matter because it won't actually happen- that is my real point. Just more bullshit, bluster, and no doubt pique from the outgoing losers. Of course you would love it to be true, but that don't make it so.
    Last edited by sabang; 10-01-2021 at 12:02 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    I had dealings with the Australian Trade Office in Taiwan in 1992...I know a smidgen about them.
    Is that the same time you swam the '750m wide' Taiwan Straits several times undetected to meet some woman . . . six times?

    So, you know fuck all . . . thanks for making my point.



    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    Umm the US just openly scrapped the "one China" policy. You utter plonk.
    Oh dear . . . except they didn't. Good God, please stick to hookers and illicit drug sales, as usual you throw your shit out there and can't back it up with fact - similar to sabang - go on, show us how the OCP has been reversed, maybe you can share that info with sabang



    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    The Joint Communiqué on the Establishment of Diplomatic Relations
    Yea, not quite what you said earlier, is it. You're really starting to post like Skidmark now . . . make on statement, get pushback by reality and fact then quickly move elsewhere and try another angle . . . rinse and repeat.


    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    But it doesn't matter because it won't actually happen- that is my real point. Just more bullshit, bluster, and no doubt pique from the outgoing losers.
    Times have changed from the Nixon era - please tell me that you don't believe change doesn't occur . . .


    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Of course you would love it to be true, but that don't make it so.
    You give your clairvoyance too much credit . . . nor did I say it does. YOU are the one who's waffling on about "international deal"s and the like without backing it up

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    What's equally hilarious is that sabang follows Skidmark's zerohedge source ad swallows it up wholesale

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    What is totally hilarious is that you have just explicitly shown you cannot read. See Nortons posts- #6 & 8.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Is that the same time you swam the '750m wide' Taiwan Straits several times undetected to meet some woman . . . six times?

    So, you know fuck all . . . thanks for making my point.




    Oh dear . . . except they didn't.




    Yea, not quite what you said earlier, is it. You're really starting to post like Skidmark now . . . make on statement, get pushback by reality and fact then quickly move elsewhere and try another angle . . . rinse and repeat.


    Jesus Christ. Can you read ? WTF are you even saying ? That nothing happened ?

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