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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Well here's the sab take on things. I don't thing charges against Trump will proceed, and I think from a Democrat perspective that's a good thing. Why so (he certainly deserves it)?

    Simple. Trump, if able to run, will split the conservative vote in two- between the Right wing knuckle draggers, and the old style mainstream Republicans. Thus, assuming the Dems do not totally stuff it up- which cannot be ruled out- they should probably street it in the next election. You've got to be as ruthless and calculating as your opposition guys. Ain't no nice guys in the GOP these days.
    Fair point. In much the same way that the Aussie liberals are happy to let the Greens split the Labor vote, or the Lapbor party allow Pauline Pantsdown split the Liberal vote.

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    Donald Trump's Senate impeachment trial will end one of these four ways

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    1. The impeachment trial never begins

    It's important to remember that during the trial, the US Senate has the power to set the rules of how everything works.
    While precedents are important and will guide much of how the trial will run, they're not binding. If a majority of senators want to change a rule, they can.
    Which means the Senate can just decline to hold a trial if it wants.



    2. Donald Trump is acquitted

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    After all the arguments have been presented, the 100 US senators who act as the jury in the trial will be asked to vote on the single article of impeachment on the table — incitement of insurrection.



    3. Donald Trump is convicted, but not banned from running for office again

    If Democrats manage to convince 17 Republicans of their case, however, Trump will be convicted of the article of impeachment.




    4. Donald Trump is convicted and banned from running for office again

    If Trump is convicted, the Senate will likely hold a vote to ban him from running for office in the future.

    If a simple majority of senators vote in favour, Trump will be banned from running for federal office ever again.
    That will not only include the presidency, but also running for the Senate or the House of Representatives as well.


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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Democrat Party
    It is the Democratic Party. Democrat Party is what stupid right wing fucktards call it.

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    Republican senators rally against Donald Trump's impeachment, making conviction unlikely

    All but five US Senate Republicans have voted in favour of an effort to dismiss Donald Trump's historic second impeachment trial, making clear a conviction of the former president for "incitement of insurrection" is unlikely.

    Key points:
    • Democrats are defending the constitutionality of the trial by pointing to the opinions of legal scholars and an 1876 precedent
    • The vote suggests the Democrats will be unable to get the 17 Republican votes they need for a conviction
    • Senator Patrick Leahy, who is presiding over the trial, was rushed to hospital on Tuesday out of an "abundance of caution"


    While the Republicans did not succeed in ending the trial before it began, the test vote on Tuesday made clear Mr Trump still has enormous sway over his party as he becomes the first former president to be tried for impeachment.

    Republican senators rally against Donald Trump'''s impeachment, making conviction unlikely - ABC News

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    It is the Democratic Party.
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    The Democratic Party is one of the two major contemporary political parties in the United States, along with its main, historic rival, the Republican Party. Wikipedia

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    The 45 "senators" need trump's base to continue to donate to them in order to keep their place in the senate. Pure and simple.

    Perhaps if the senate doesn't have the testicular fortitude to convict, perhaps the DOJ will charge trump with insurrection. As I recall, it's a federal crime as well.
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    Trump Loses Lead Impeachment Lawyers A Week Before Trial

    Former President Donald Trump has parted ways with his lead impeachment lawyers just over a week before his Senate trial is set to begin, two people familiar with the situation said Saturday.

    Butch Bowers and Deborah Barbier, both South Carolina lawyers, are no longer with Trump’s defense team. One of the people described the parting as a “mutual decision” that reflected a difference of opinion on the direction of the case. Both insisted on anonymity to discuss private conversations.

    One said new additions to the legal team were expected to be announced in a day or two.

    The upheaval injects fresh uncertainty into the makeup and strategy of Trump’s defense team as he prepares to face charges that he incited the insurrection at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6. However, all but five Senate Republicans this week voted in favor of an effort to dismiss the trial before it even started, making clear a conviction of the former president is unlikely regardless of his defense team.

    Greg Harris and Johnny Gasser, two former federal prosecutors from South Carolina, are also off the team, one of the people said.

    Trump has struggled to find attorneys willing to defend him after becoming the first president in history to be impeached twice.

    They probably wanted to be paid up front : Trump Loses Lead Impeachment Lawyers A Week Before Trial | HuffPost
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    They probably don't want the trial to be all about how the election was stolen and he was just exercising his constitutional duty or some such B/S.
    You just know that's how it's going to go.

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    What lawyer quits a high profile case with a very high probability of winning?
    A lawyer that don't want his reputation damaged by working for a guilty A-hole.

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    Shots fired against those complicit in spreading Trump's lies.

    Smartmatic files $2.7 billion defamation lawsuit against Fox, Lou Dobbs, Maria Bartiromo, Jeanine Pirro, Rudy Giuliani and Sidney Powell.

    Opening sentence: "The Earth is round".


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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    Opening sentence: "The Earth is round".
    Oh, snap! That first page pulls no punches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    Opening sentence: "The Earth is round".
    Absolutely brilliant - but I've never seen a legal brief been so 'amateurish' in text.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    but I've never seen a legal brief been so 'amateurish' in text.
    ....and that I've not seen just a few...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    ....and that I've not seen just a few...
    English, fuckwit. Try it.

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    Re the 2nd Impeachment Trial ... "It seems very likely that Trump will be acquitted," Professor Ackerman said.

    Could there be a Plan B if impeachment fails?

    There is a little-known clause in the constitution's 14th amendment that Professor Ackerman says Democrats could use to bar Mr Trump from ever running for office again.


    "Any officer of the United States who engaged in an insurrection — insurrection is defined as a failed rebellion — shall be disqualified from further service if a simple majority in both houses so decide," he said.
    It's a much more achievable threshold than a two-thirds majority, and Democrats could accomplish it without Republican support.


    Could Democrats really pursue the 14th amendment?

    Professor Ackerman said the leadership of the Democratic Party had the 14th amendment as an option up their sleeves.
    "Are the congressional leadership aware of this? Absolutely, yes.


    "Is President Biden aware that his staff are aware of this? Absolutely, yes."
    And unlike an impeachment, using the 14th amendment could be more politically appealing to Democrats because, Professor Ackerman believes, it would not create as much of a spectacle.

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    This is driving me nuts. I was sure Trump had already been impeached over this. Why do they keep referring to this as an impeachment trial?
    Will he be impeached a thurd time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    This is driving me nuts. I was sure Trump had already been impeached over this. Why do they keep referring to this as an impeachment trial?
    Will he be impeached a thurd time?
    Think of the impeachment trial more along the lines of a pretty loose civil trial — it's basically a process to decide whether someone should be fired from their job.


    Because Trump is no longer in office, however, there is effectively no immediate punishment if he is found guilty.


    But if he is found guilty, the Senate could vote to ban him from holding a federal elective office again.

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    U.S. Senate Impeachment Trial of Former President Trump




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    CNN, including the other media machines are sensationally broadcasting the fact an elected public servant was given a job, completely fucked up and created a dangerous situation whereupon people died. An impeachment trial??????What a fucking joke and waste of media air space.

    Arrest the cvnt and through away the key. End of story................

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    Good clip embedded in this news item ... www.tinyurl.com/1w322yfw

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loy Toy View Post
    What a fucking joke and waste of media air space.

    Arrest the cvnt and through away the key. End of story.
    He surely cannot be arrested. And that's really not the aim of this showcase.

    The real aim is barring him to apply for that job again. And not to be decided by the population but by their authorities who know better what's good for them...(reminding something?)

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    Apparently his defense team really screwed up.


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    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    If Democrats manage to convince 17 Republicans of their case, however, Trump will be convicted of the article of impeachment.

    I needed that.

    At this point it's just a cheap charade.

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    Trump impeachment: Senate votes to proceed with trial

    Divided chamber finds process constitutional during emotional day as Democrats recount Capitol attack


    A divided US Senate voted to proceed with the historic second impeachment trial of Donald Trump after an emotional opening day in which the prosecution argued that the former president was singularly responsible for inciting the deadly assault on the US Capitol while the defense warned that the proceedings would further cleave a divided nation.


    After nearly four hours of debate in the same chamber that was invaded by pro-Trump rioters on 6 January, the senators, now seated as jurors and sworn to deliver “impartial justice”, voted 56 to 44 on the question of whether there was a constitutional basis for putting an impeached former president on trial. Six Republicans joined all Democrats in an early victory for the prosecution that undermined one of the central pillars of Trump’s defense.


    Trump is the first president to face an impeachment trial after leaving office, and the only president in American history to be impeached twice. But the assault on the Capitol, an event that one House impeachment manager called the “the framers’ worst nightmare come to life”, shook the nation and the world as loyalists to the former president stormed the seat of the American government in an effort to prevent Congress from formalizing Joe Biden’s victory. Though they ultimately failed, the domestic attack left five people dead and America’s commitment to a peaceful transfer of power tarnished.


    Democrats use Trump trial to show sometimes symbolism is the point
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    Republicans’ near-uniform opposition to holding a trial strongly suggested that there were not enough votes in the chamber to convict the de-platformed, one-term president even after he brazenly sought to overturn his election defeat with baseless claims of a stolen election. At least 17 Republicans would have to join all Democrats to find Trump guilty of high crimes and misdemeanors. A conviction would allow the Senate to disqualify him from ever again holding office.


    Last month, only five Republicans joined Democrats to defeat an attempt to dismiss the impeachment charge as unconstitutional. Senator Bill Cassidy, a Republican of Louisiana, was the only member to switch his vote, leaving open the possibility that some lawmakers could yet change their minds.


    Republicans have largely coalesced around the argument that the Senate did not have the authority to hold the trial because impeachment was intended to lead to a president’s removal from office, a position that has allowed them to avoid weighing in on whether Trump’s conduct amounted to an impeachable offense. But that view has been challenged by constitutional scholars, including the leading conservative lawyer Charles Cooper, who argued that the claims were unfounded.


    Citing these scholars, writings by the nation’s framers and historical precedents, the House impeachment managers warned that allowing Trump to escape punishment would establish a “January exception” for presidents to betray their oaths of office.


    House Democrats opened the trial with a chilling and dramatic video of the Capitol siege that threatened the lives of the former vice-president, Mike Pence, members of Congress, and everyone working in the building that day. The video pulled from the extensive visual recordings from rioters, reporters and witnesses to create a reel juxtaposing the president’s incendiary speech to supporters at a rally near the White House with scenes of mayhem and violence on Capitol Hill. There, Trump encouraged his supporters to “fight like hell” and march to the Capitol to make their voices heard before lawmakers certified Biden’s victory.


    The cries and chants from the video echoed through the chamber, where just over a month ago rioters sat in the dais and swung from the balcony. It concluded with a tweet from Trump, sent only moments after the building was secured on 6 January: “These are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously & viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly & unfairly treated for so long. Go home with love & in peace. Remember this day forever!”


    “You ask what a high crime and misdemeanor is under our constitution? That’s a high crime and misdemeanor,” the congressman Jamie Raskin of Maryland, the leader of the House Democrats prosecuting the case, told the silent chamber, after playing the video. “If that’s not an impeachable offense, then there is no such thing.”


    David Schoen, attorney for Donald Trump, speaks to reporters while leaving the Capitol.
    David Schoen, attorney for Donald Trump, speaks to reporters while leaving the Capitol. Photograph: Win McNamee/EPA
    In their rebuttal, Trump’s defense team argued that the impeachment trial was not only unconstitutional but would “open up new and bigger wounds across the nation”.


    Accusing Democrats of abuse of power, Trump’s lawyer David Schoen said the party was fueled by their “hatred” of Trump and their determination to see him impeached. He played a video compilation of Democratic politicians calling for Trump’s impeachment as early as 2017.


    “This trial will tear this country apart, perhaps like we have only seen once before in American history,” he said, warning: “If these proceedings go forward, everyone will look bad.”


    In a meandering defense that reportedly left Trump enraged, his lead lawyer Bruce Castor denounced the Capitol assault as “repugnant”, praised the senators as “patriots” and concluded by suggesting that if the former president had committed a crime, the punishment should be criminal prosecution, not impeachment.


    “There is no opportunity where the president of the United States can run rampant in January at the end of his term and just go away scot free,” Castor said. “The Department of Justice does know what to do with such people.”




    The trial will resume on Wednesday with the substantive arguments over the sole charge of “incitement of insurrection”. Each side has 16 hours to present its case, and the trial is expected to stretch into the holiday weekend. Prosecutors have promised to present new evidence to prove that Trump was “singularly and directly responsible” for the Capitol attack.


    Trump’s lawyers have argued that the president’s claims of voter fraud and his fiery rhetoric to the crowd on 6 January were not only protected under the first amendment, but similar to language used by Democrats to rally their own supporters. In pre-trial briefings, they emphasized his instruction that the crowd march “peacefully” to the Capitol.


    Trump, who left Washington for his Mar-a-Lago resort on the day of Biden’s inauguration, has refused a request by Democrats to testify voluntarily at his trial. It appears unlikely that the House managers will call witnesses, appealing instead to the collective memories of the senators who lived through harrowing afternoon.




    Concluding the Democrats’ argument for the day, Raskin offered an emotional and deeply personal account of his experience that day. Still grieving the loss of his son, who had died by suicide just days before, the former constitutional law professor brought his family to work with him, eager for them to witness “this historic event – the peaceful transfer of power in America”.


    When the riot erupted, they were separated. His daughter and son-in-law hid in an office, fearing for their lives, Raskin recalled, his voice quivering. When it was all over and they were reunited, his daughter said she never wanted to return to the Capitol, a place known as the People’s House.


    “Senators, this cannot be our future,” he said through tears. “This cannot be the future of America.”

    Trump impeachment: Senate votes to proceed with trial | Trump impeachment (2021) | The Guardian
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