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    Harry Harry, FFS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deeks View Post
    Nahh all the presidents pardon themselves from previous crimes when they leave office, The only way to get them is with crimes after office.
    5 hours, show me a potus that was indicted after leaving office.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deeks View Post
    5 hours, show me a potus that was indicted after leaving office.
    Show me a potus that pardoned himself.
    (By the way, for potus to be indicted would mean he would have to have committed a crime)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    Show me a potus that pardoned himself.
    (By the way, for potus to be indicted would mean he would have to have committed a crime)
    Like all trumpanzees, he is several sandwiches short of a picnic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    Show me a potus that pardoned himself.
    He can't because none ever have. I do not know why you lot waste the time responding to the troll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Like all trumpanzees, he is several sandwiches short of a picnic.
    And the Bush family wasn't?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    And the Bush family wasn't?
    So you are trying to draw a parallel to the Bush family? I was never a fan of them but they at least respected the democratic institutions of the US. So your whataboutism comparison is absurd.

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    The Bushes weren’t the most clever of people but they were most certainly more clever and patriotic than the Trump family.

    Trump and his bunch are just grifters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    Bush family? I was never a fan of them but they at least respected the democratic institutions of the US
    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    The Bushes weren’t the most clever of people but they were most certainly more clever and patriotic than the Trump family.
    At least they liberated Afghanistan and Iraq...
    What did Trump liberate, he?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    What did Trump liberate, he?
    The country from a republican senate.

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    ^ LOL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nidhogg View Post
    The country from a republican senate.
    Legal Charges Against Trump-screen-shot-2021-01-08-7-a

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    At least they liberated Afghanistan and Iraq...
    Huh?

    Liberate?
    Really...?


    More akin to forced colonial invasion and occupation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deeks View Post
    Nahh all the presidents pardon themselves from previous crimes when they leave office, The only way to get them is with crimes after office.
    Key Background

    It’s unclear whether presidents have the power to pardon themselves — the idea remains untested in the court system because no president has attempted such a maneuver.

    Trump Is Reportedly Mulling Pardoning Himself. Is That Legal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HuangLao View Post
    Huh?

    Liberate?
    Really...?

    More akin to forced colonial invasion and occupation.
    You had never heard the many speeches of GWB? Where the "liberation" were counted more than the "world is safe"? (OK, it was not from his own head...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    You had never heard the many speeches of GWB? Where the "liberation" were counted more than the "world is safe"? (OK, it was not from his own head...)
    No - if it were from the head of GWB then it would have made more sense, incredible though that would seem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    No - if it were from the head of GWB then it would have made more sense, incredible though that would seem.
    Incredible but true

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    Manhattan DA expands probe into Trump company to include family estate

    A probe into the Trump Organization's business dealings led by the office of Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance has reportedly expanded to include the Trump family's Westchester County estate.

    CNN reported Friday that court documents it had obtained revealed President Trump’s son, Eric Trump, who serves as the executive vice president of the Trump Organization, was directly involved in discussions on the 212-acre property, called Seven Springs.

    Town officials have reportedly been sent grand jury subpoenas seeking information surrounding any conversations or correspondence they have had with the Trump Organization on its development plans.

    Roland Baroni, a lawyer for the town of North Castle, N.Y., told CNN that the town had received and complied with a subpoena "asking for the planning board files, any correspondence, any email" exchanged between the town and the Trump Organization.

    North Castle is one of three municipalities the large family compound covers.

    CNBC reported Friday that a lawyer for the town of Bedford, N.Y., said they had also received a subpoena from Vance's office sometime “before Christmas” for information and records relating to the estate.

    The town supervisor for the third town, New Castle, declined CNBC's request for comment.

    People familiar with the investigation told CNN that the Trump Organization had also been subpoenaed for information on the property, including tax deductions the company took after donating a portion of the land to a public trust for conservation.

    The Hill has reached out to the Trump Organization for comment.

    According to CNN, Trump’s business sought to develop the property multiple times, including putting together plans to potentially build a golf course or a community of residential homes.

    By making a land donation for conservation, a property is able to undergo a tax deduction based on the value of the property. Vance’s investigation is looking into whether the value was inflated on the property to get a more beneficial tax deduction.

    Court filings indicated that 158 acres of the Westchester County property were given to the North American Land Trust with an appraised value of $21.1 million.

    The property, which the Trump Organization purchased in 1995 for $7.5 million, is also part of a civil investigation being conducted by New York Attorney General Letitia James (D) into whether the company lied about the value of certain assets to receive more beneficial loans and tax benefits.

    This comes as The Associated Press reported Friday that Trump’s former personal attorney Michael Cohen had been interviewed for hours this week by Vance’s office, at least partially on Trump’s relationship with Deutsche Bank.

    Trump has repeatedly claimed that the investigations by Vance and James, both Democrats, are part of a “witch hunt” with political motivations.

    “witch hunt” : Manhattan DA expands probe into Trump company to include family estate: report | TheHill
    Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    What did Trump liberate, he?
    Yout tax money to the rich, your foreign policy to the Russians, and our Democracy to the white supremacists

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    • This attorney is about to make Donald Trump's life a living hell/Attorney says she'll try to depose Trump in three cases after he leaves White House


    Roberta Kaplan, an attorney representing President Trump's niece Mary Trump and author E. Jean Carroll, is preparing to bring forth three lawsuits against Trump once he leaves office.

    Kaplan, 54, told The Washington Post in a story published on Monday that she has prepared three lawsuits alleging defamation and fraud against the president.

    Carroll has filed a defamation suit against Trump after he said she was "totally lying" about her allegation that he had raped her in the dressing room of a department store more than two decades ago. Mary Trump alleges that her uncle and two of his siblings left her out of millions worth of inheritance.

    Kaplan is also representing people who took part in ACN, a marketing company that was promoted on "The Celebrity Apprentice." According to the Post, Trump and his three oldest children are being sued for making the company appear as a promising opportunity.

    “Because of his prominence, he marketed his ability to convince unsophisticated, very poor Americans to invest,” Kaplan said.

    Kaplan is well known for arguing on behalf of Edie Windsor before the Supreme Court in a lawsuit that struck down the Defense of Marriage Act and resulted in the recognition of same-sex marriage.

    Apart from the suits being brought forth by Kaplan, Trump is also facing a civil investigation from New York Attorney General Letitia James and a criminal investigation Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance Jr.

    Recent reports have suggested that Trump is considering issuing multiple pardons for his allies, children and possibly for himself. The constitutionality of pardoning himself has been brought into question, with several scholars saying a self-pardon would likely not hold up legally.: Attorney says she'll try to depose Trump in three cases after he leaves White House | TheHill - This attorney is about to make Donald Trump's life a living hell - Raw Story - Celebrating 16 Years of Independent Journalism

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    • Investigators already have Trump’s tax records, as outgoing president faces losing legal protections/Trump Investigators Have Tax Records Even Before Court Order


    Investigators probing President Donald Trump’s finances have gotten hold of some of his tax records, allowing them to move ahead even without a Supreme Court order that would give them eight years of his returns.

    Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance Jr., who subpoenaed Trump’s accounting firm Mazars USA in 2019, is leading one of the most closely watched cases that could result in criminal charges. While Vance agreed to await a high-court decision on forcing the handover of tax records from 2011 to 2018, his office now has some of the information from other sources, according to people familiar with the matter.

    That information could help Vance support allegations that Trump’s company used accounting gimmicks to overstate the value of its assets when applying for loans and underplay it to reduce its tax bills, according to the people, who asked not to be named because the matter is private.

    Charges aren’t imminent as Trump departs Washington. But losing the election in November meant Trump also will lose what presidential protections he had when he’s replaced by Joe Biden at noon. Among those he claimed: that a sitting president cannot be charged with a crime.

    No Sweeping Immunity

    Trump invoked that longstanding Justice Department policy to fight Vance’s request for the tax records. In July, the Supreme Court rejected the president’s bid for sweeping immunity but left open the possibility that he could make more specific objections. Lower courts have since rejected Trump’s arguments that the subpoena is overly broad and was issued in bad faith, and the matter is once again before the Supreme Court.

    A spokesman for Vance’s office declined to comment on what it was looking at, but the Manhattan prosecutor sketched a possible outline for his investigation in a court filing in September.

    In that filing, a response to Trump’s complaint that the subpoena amounted to a “fishing expedition,” Vance cited a range of alleged financial misrepresentations by the Trump Organization already reported in the news media. Taken together, his office wrote, the company could have violated various New York statutes related to tax fraud, insurance fraud and the falsification of business records.

    Vance isn’t the only one who wants the tax returns. Trump has also been trying to stave off House Democrats who sought them after taking power two years ago. That fight continues -- on Inauguration Day.

    Forging Ahead

    The Supreme Court, without explanation, has deferred action for the past three months on Trump’s bid to block Vance’s subpoena. The delay has kept the document demand on hold because Vance agreed in October not to enforce the subpoena while the Supreme Court considered Trump’s request.

    Should the court reject Trump, Vance would be free to insist that Mazars turn over the information. Mazars has said it will comply with its legal obligations.

    Even as the battle has worn on, Vance’s office has made significant progress in its investigation, including interviewing people who worked with the Trump Organization or are familiar with its business practices.

    The office has spoken with Michael Cohen, Trump’s former lawyer and “fixer,” who pleaded guilty to violating campaign finance laws on behalf of Trump during his 2016 run. It has also spoken with representatives of Deutsche Bank AG, which has lent more than $300 million to Trump, and Aon Plc, an insurance broker that did significant business with the Trump Organization.

    Significance of FTI

    Vance’s decision to hire financial consulting firm FTI Consulting, which was reported by the Washington Post last month, suggests that the prosecutor has already identified examples of potential wrongdoing at the Trump Organization, according to the people.

    In a high-profile case such as this, FTI can guide Vance’s investigators through a company’s statements and explain any nuances that might justify -- or undermine -- the company’s claims. If prosecutors do file charges against the Trump Organization or individual officers, an FTI representative could serve as an expert witness in court.

    The Supreme Court case isn’t the only issue hanging over the DA’s investigation. Vance is in the last year of his current four-year term, but so far hasn’t declared whether he will run for re-election in the Democratic primary, which will be held in June. Several other candidates have said they would challenge him.

    While Vance’s office is staffed with career professionals who would proceed with any case launched this year no matter who is DA next January, the Trump Organization probe is being guided by his general counsel, Carey Dunne. Vance recruited Dunne from the law firm of Davis Polk & Wardwell LLP four years ago. It’s not clear whether Dunne would stay on if Vance leaves.: https://news.bloombergtax.com/daily-...e-court-ruling - Trump investigators already have tax documents as President faces losing legal protections | Fortune

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    To make matters worse for Trump....

    Trump Tax Law Firm Ends Work for Ex-President

    Morgan Lewis has battled New York attorney general’s office over its probe of Trump Organization


    The law firm that handled the tax affairs of Donald Trump and his company during his presidency said it would stop representing him and his business.


    The firm, Morgan Lewis & Bockius, is currently wrangling with the New York attorney general’s office over documents related to its work for the former president’s business, the Trump Organization. Led by Democratic Attorney General Letitia James, the office is conducting a civil-fraud probe into Mr. Trump’s financial dealings.


    “We have had a limited representation of the Trump Organization and Donald Trump in tax-related matters,” a Morgan Lewis spokeswoman said. “For those matters not already concluded, we are transitioning as appropriate to other counsel.”


    The spokeswoman didn’t provide a reason for the firm’s decision.

    MORE Trump Tax Law Firm Ends Work for Ex-President - WSJ

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    Could a divorce be on the legal agenda?


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    Well here's the sab take on things. I don't thing charges against Trump will proceed, and I think from a Democrat perspective that's a good thing. Why so (he certainly deserves it)?

    Simple. Trump, if able to run, will split the conservative vote in two- between the Right wing knuckle draggers, and the old style mainstream Republicans. Thus, assuming the Dems do not totally stuff it up- which cannot be ruled out- they should probably street it in the next election. You've got to be as ruthless and calculating as your opposition guys. Ain't no nice guys in the GOP these days.

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    Well, it isn't the Democrat Party that is levying legal charges against the orange buffoon . . . hence the separation of powers, but of course the political neo-cons will portray it as political - same same in the end.

    If he is convicted for anything, even small issues, then he can't run again.

    And the idea of a split in the Republican Party - that's why the Senate won't support Schumer and Pelosi.

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