Thread: President Joe Biden

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

If you believe that "Biden's Personal Lawyers discovered classified documents while clearing a locked closet and immediately cleared the office before contacting the National Archives", I have a fucking bridge to sell you.

Nooo. I already have a bridge. do you have a tunnel?

That's what I read reported in all the papers. Do you have contradicting information?

Originally Posted by CalEden

Papa Joe is marbleless

I hate when he walks and tries to pick up speed so he doesn't look like an old hog.

Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai

You are assuming that he was the one who checked the documents out and/or was responsible for returning them.

He had the documents stored in his garage, man !

Who was supposed to return them if not him ?

His mom ?

Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai

Not similar at all. trump had removed the documents to his place of residence

You're right

He didn't store them in his garage

Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai

(Just there he is in violation of US law and liable for persecutions and imprisonment)

Lock him up !


Don't tell me, that you are one more of these biased democrats

I had high hopes for you

Originally Posted by helge

He had the documents stored in his garage, man !

Who was supposed to return them if not him ?

His mom ?

Hunter?

Seriously though, what a colossal fuckup by sleepy Joe. Way to go Brandon.

Originally Posted by helge

He had the documents stored in his garage, man !

Who was supposed to return them if not him ?

His mom ?

What I had read so far was that documents were found by his lawyers in the office they used. This garage is new information to me.
I am not sure what the law is concerning about that , but I think that taking classified document to his residence is against the law.
If that is true and it seems like it is, then his 2024 bid is effectively over. Welcome news to me.

Originally Posted by helge

Don't tell me, that you are one more of these biased democrats

I had high hopes for you

Sorry to dash your hopes. I will try to make it up to you.
Like everyone else Biden is not above the law.

This is what is reported by Peuters
" HOW DO THE TWO CASES DIFFER?Legal experts say there are stark contrasts between the two cases.


In Trump's case, the National Archives tried for more than a year after Trump left office to retrieve all of the records he retained, without success. When Trump finally returned 15 boxes of documents in January 2022, Archives officials discovered they contained classified materials.


The matter was referred to the Justice Department, which issued a grand jury subpoena last May seeking the return of all classified records. Investigators then visited Trump's home, where his attorneys handed over more material and asserted there were no more documents on the premises.


That turned out to be false. Additional evidence collected by the FBI, including surveillance footage from the Mar-a-Lago estate, prompted agents to seek court approval to execute a search warrant on Aug. 8 amid concerns over possible obstruction.


The FBI recovered an additional 13,000 documents, about 100 of which were marked as classified.


In Biden's case, Garland said the president's attorneys informed the Archives and the Justice Department in November that they had discovered fewer than a dozen classified files inside a closet at the Penn Biden Center think tank in Washington D.C. earlier that month.


After the discovery, the attorneys continued to conduct additional searches at Biden's homes in Wilmington and Rehoboth Beach, Delaware, where more documents were found in both December and this month. All were turned over to the authorities.


WHAT LEGAL PERIL DO BIDEN AND TRUMP FACE?
It is a crime only if the retention and removal of classified records is intentional.


Prosecutors typically won't pursue charges for the accidental retention of classified records, but if there is evidence of possible obstruction of justice, that could change things.


For that reason, legal experts say, Trump faces considerably more legal peril than Biden.


To date, there has been no suggestion by the Justice Department that Biden knowingly retained the records or refused to return them to the government.


Also, as president, Biden is unlikely to face prosecution. The Justice Department has not changed its long-standing policy that a sitting president cannot be indicted.


The same policy helped insulate Trump when he was president and under investigation by then-Special Counsel Robert Mueller. In that case, Mueller declined to determine whether Trump had obstructed his investigation into possible ties between Russia and Trump's 2016 election campaign because of the department's policy."
Explainer: Biden vs. Trump: What is the difference between the two classified records cases? | Reuters

Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai

In Biden's case, Garland said the president's attorneys informed the Archives and the Justice Department in November that they had discovered fewer than a dozen classified files inside a closet at the Penn Biden Center think tank in Washington D.C. earlier that month.


After the discovery, the attorneys continued to conduct additional searches at Biden's homes in Wilmington and Rehoboth Beach, Delaware, where more documents were found in both December and this month. All were turned over to the authorities.

the point you seem to be missing is that the numbers don't matter, its the fact these classified documents, however many they are are just floating around in unsecure places where they have no business being, seemingly with their whereabouts unrecorded.

Of course the great American tradition of Lawyerly semantics will kick in and argue over minutiae ad nauseum until a scape goat is found and Joe will get out of this scot free.

Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai

Not similar at all. trump had removed the documents to his place of residence.(Just there he is in violation of US law and liable for persecutions and imprisonment).

OK so you're saying Biden is in violation of US law and liable for "persecutions" (and perhaps even prosecutions) and imprisonment.

Alrighty then.

President Biden's lawyers have found additional classified documents at his Wilmington, Del., residence, according to his counsel Richard Sauber, who said "all but one" of the new documents were found in storage in Biden's garage, and one document was in stored materials in "an adjacent room."

Originally Posted by malmomike77

the point you seem to be missing is that the numbers don't matter

Absolutely they don't.

In the eyes of most Americans, they can't throw the book at baldy orange cunto and let Biden off scot free for essentially the same crime.

Of course, maybe Joe could declassify them with his mind

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

OK so you're saying Biden is in violation of US law and liable for "persecutions" (and perhaps even prosecutions) and imprisonment.

Conviction requires an additional element. Intent.

Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai

Conviction requires an additional element. Intent.

So you don't think Joe *intended* to take them home and put them in his garage?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

So you don't think Joe *intended* to take them home and put them in his garage?

If Joe was the person who put them there, obviously there is intent.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

So you don't think Joe *intended* to take them home and put them in his garage?

Intent with in the legal framework is not the action but rather the reason behind the action.

Originally Posted by Norton

Yep. Some shenanigans in play here.

Shenanigans.
It's what they do.
By their very nature.

Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai

Intent with in the legal framework is not the action but rather the reason behind the action.

You sound like you're really trying hard to convince yourself that Biden hasn't fucked the whole baldy orange cunto classified documents scandal.

Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai

If that is true and it seems like it is, then his 2024 bid is effectively over.

hardly

Biden has outlived his usefulness to the Democratic Party by announcing his intent to run again. NBC (Democratic friendly Media) first broke/leaked the story of classified documents found/coverup (found November 2, 2022, prior to midterm election) at the Penn Biden Center Think Tank in Washington DC. The Penn Biden Center is a black money haven heavily funded by the Chinese, with data links on Hunter's laptop.

Originally Posted by S Landreth

“We should let it play out,” he added. “We don’t have to push them in any direction or try to influence them. That’s all I’m going to say. Let the special prosecutors do their job.”

Amen brother.

Originally Posted by CalEden

Biden has outlived his usefulness to the Democratic Party by announcing his intent to run again. NBC (Democratic friendly Media) first broke/leaked the story of classified documents found/coverup (found November 2, 2022, prior to midterm election) at the Penn Biden Center Think Tank in Washington DC. The Penn Biden Center is a black money haven heavily funded by the Chinese, with data links on Hunter's laptop.

Don't forget to renew your QAnon membership.

Originally Posted by Norton

Amen brother.

Should go well with Hur who is a Trump appointee.

Oh wait, maybe not


________

• Japan sells Tokyo as US linchpin of security against China, Russia

Japanese Prime Minister Fumio Kishida’s visit with President Biden is aimed at selling Tokyo as the linchpin of eastern security and a bulwark against Chinese and North Korean aggression.

It’s part of a historic shift for the island nation, which has committed to growing its military and shirking off its pacifist policy that was self-imposed in the aftermath of World War II.

Japan has also joined sanctions against Russia over the Ukraine war, though it has not provided lethal aid to Kyiv.

“Japan has really broken out of the kind of postwar mold, if you’d like, of hesitancy about its military,” said Sheila Smith, senior fellow for Asia-Pacific studies at the Council on Foreign Relations

“So we have a new Japan on the world stage, in some ways, that is less hesitant about the need for military power as one of the arrows in the quiver of its statecraft.”

Meeting in the Oval office on Friday, Biden described Kishida’s Washington visit as a “remarkable moment” for the U.S. and Japan alliance.

“I don’t think there’s ever been a time when we were closer,” the president said.

“Let me be crystal clear: The United States is fully, thoroughly, completely committed to the alliance and, more importantly, to the defense of Japan.”

[QUOTE=harrybarracuda;4470287]You sound like you're really trying hard to convince yourself that Biden hasn't fucked the whole baldy orange cunto classified documents scandal.[/QUOTE
Not at all, in fact I said : "If that is true and it seems like it is, then his 2024 bid is effectively over."
Then I continued to say: "Welcome news to me "
What Biden has "Fucked" IMO are the optics that would be used to bludgeon him over the head with if he decides to run. In fact , even his defence , that it was a mistake, or he forgot, will play int the narrative that he is too old, which IMO he is.
But legally regardless of what we think or say, both cases will proceed or be dismissed on their merits.

^ remember that the rationale behind him running for a second term despite his advanced age was his ability to beat trump. Well, that ability has no been significantly reduced

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Don't forget to renew your QAnon membership.

Name calling and fake accusations doesn't persuade anyone but the ignorant.

Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai

Not similar at all. trump had removed the documents to his place of residence.(Just there he is in violation of US law and liable for persecutions and imprisonment). It was requested that he return them, and delayed, try to hide them, then claimed that they were his private property.
Other than the fact that they were both classified documents, how are the to similar?

Nothing more needs to be said!