Thread: Cost of Immigration

I am thirty-two.

I wish I could live abroad permenantly but I have issues (criminal record & such) holding me back from doing so. I lived in Pattaya for a year & that is my only experience of living abroad.

I like Thailand.

Originally Posted by blackgang

MM has already started one a long time ago and anyone that posted any knowledge of it was called "full of shit" and a "Racist" and a "Bigot" by you as well as others that have never been around it and knew nothing about it, so why post.

Bullshit. I have made exactly one post in that topic: https://teakdoor.com/us-domestic-issu...tml#post406293

You are lying.

Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange

I've got a fair idea but to be sure I'd have to go over to TV, look it up & get back to you & I simply can't be arsed.

Then don't use something you believe was said on another forum to attack posters here, ok?

Who am I attacking?

Whoever comes to mind is your answer to the question - who are the Elite?

I'm not attacking anybody, it is me being attacked & you know it. Turning this around onto me is the oldest trick in the book & you play it like a banjo at every opportunity you get.

You guys win. I'm giving up. There is no conversation or banter or even friendliness reserved for me on TD & I've started to tire of it. If I start a thread it is either ignored or I am attacked & it's got to the point where I would be better off somewhere else.

Here's a little experiment... Put yourself in the shoes of somebody who has been offered the chance to live in a foreign country and improve their quality of life, perhaps make enough to buy a car or a house or pay for hospital bills, and don't read the Daily Mail or any news for two weeks and see if you are happier in your life and in your surroundings and more able to relate to the people you come in contact with.

You may think I am ridiculing you, but I am serious and I think it would do you good.

I see what you mean, Robski. I do look at it like that in some cases, it's just some of them really take the piss, treatng the place like it is theirs & theirs alone & such, something none of us here would consider doing in another country.

For every decent immigrant who only wants to improve his life & do the right thing there are ten chancers who are only here to milk what they see as a soft touch.

Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange

I lived in Pattaya for a year & that is my only experience of living abroad.

Hmmmmm, not the best place to get your knowledge about living abroad..

^
...and plenty of Brits who behave as if they own the place and take what they can get.

^ Let's put it this way, it's a mixed city of all nationalities, good and bad..

The criminals are not the minority, Robski. Like I said earlier, I buy my weed off some of them because the regular dealers have been forced out of the picture by the sheer numbers of stabbers & muggers & such. The crime these people commit is frightening & not a patch on what was happening here before.

A visit to a local brothel (not my bag, personally) would reveal young girls who are beaten & raped every day by some of these immigrants who told them they had a job as a waitress lined up. Women's refuges all over town are bursting with these poor girls. Not all immigrants are the best thing since sliced bread.

I hate it that I am viewed as a hater of all immigrants, as this is not the case, I have many friends who are Albanian & Romanian (all of them are villans, of one sort or another, which says something) but if it makes some people happy to apply labels rather than agree I am partially right - if a little uneloquent in my approach - it is something I will have to suffer.

They are the first people I tell they are taking the piss & all they do is laugh about it & agree. Then go & stab someone. Community Service is dominated by immigrants who have no intetion of giving up their moody ways & view British jails as a home from home.

When I go to another country I treat it with respect. I don't try & bleed it for everything I possibly can.

I think it is the generalisations people object to.

Plenty of decent immigrants in the UK and elsewhere, I used to know many.

Originally Posted by stroller

Plenty of decent immigrants

I have never said anything else.

There are plenty more who are nothing but trouble, though. They are the ones the topic is aimed at, but people assume I am generalising & go on about that, rather than talk about the parts where I am right & have a point.

It's bash the Shitman & covet a green from your mates time whenever I start a thread, be it about Global Warming or whatever. If I start a topic which doesn't really warrant having a go at me then the whole thread is generally ignored. Maybe one or two replies from a couple of posters but absolutely no sign of the usual suspects.

Perhaps you should give up the weed along with the newspapers, because what you are taliking is 100% pure bullshit. Have you seen all this first hand have you? Perhaps you should consider moving to another neighbourhood 'cos it sounds like a war zone round your way.
Your not interested in listening to anyone here your just interested in indulging in your own fantasy world of danger and sleaze, you're a joke man, get yourself together.

Originally Posted by Robski

Perhaps you should give up the weed along with the newspapers

Perhaps I should. Perhaps a lot of people here would be better off if they didn't drink or whatever, but I wouldn't think to preach it to them as I don't think it's any of my business.

what you are taliking is 100% pure bullshit

No it isn't.

Have you seen all this first hand have you?

Yes, I have. Every remark I make is based on personal experience.

it sounds like a war zone round your way

You're telling me it is. This area is a joke.

indulging in your own fantasy world of danger and sleaze, you're a joke man, get yourself together.

Behave. There are more aspects to other people's lives than what you can imagine, it seems.

Originally Posted by stroller

Bullshit. I have made exactly one post in that topic: https://teakdoor.com/us-domestic-issu...tml#post406293 (ILLegal Immigration & America's Future) You are lying.

OK maybe so on that one thread, but there has been more of them, and I do know that there have been many called racist and bigot, in fact you get a nut everytime I say anything about anyone and you get to call me a Racist or bigot or both..
But also if someone has never been around it and knows nothing about it then to debate is normal but to deny the others mental capacity is just stupid.
Like lily in that one thread saying that hospitals close because of other larger hospitals when it is mostly just the ERs that close, but they have broke some hospitals too.

Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange

No it isn't. It's true. You reveal how little you know about the whole thing with remarks likre that.

That so. Now my be as opportune a moment as any to reveal to you a little bit more about myself. I think you know already that I'm a lawyer? Well what you couldn't know is that I work for an English Co. (stole the job from an Englishman, no doubt ) and that one of my roles is to handle HR. So you could say that I'm well versed in employment laws - of course whether I'm any good is an entirely different matter an irrelevant for now.

So what's the point of all this? Well back to your example of the guy being told by his Polish supervisor he didn't want amy English people on his team as he can't be bothered to speak English at work. I would suggest that this is the least of that guys problems because there is no way that could or would stand if he had even half the sense to claim for discrimination in the workplace (I'm making an assumption here from what you wrote that this guy already had a job with the organisation but simply wasn't put on a certain team?).

So I say, eggregious codswallop! That sounds like complete and utter exaggeration to me, fanciful at best.

Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange

Simple economics? Big deal? Tell it to the guy who invested his thousands in vending machines (he is a really nice guy, too - salt of the earth) & now has them for sale in the paper for next to nothing so he can pay his rents & provide a roof for his family. He'll be looking for a new job soon & he'll be lucky to get one.

That's the reality of the situation yes, and sure the guy has my sympathy but what do you expect? You want immigrants to be forced to purchase something they clearly don't want!? When you are in Thailand next be sure and make a purchase from each and every vendor you encounter to ensure they don't go out of business, least you be held responsible

Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange

The bigger issue that people are not getting here is that these lot don't want to spend their money - & aren't contributing to the economy in the way most people say they do. I know the vending machines hardly constitute the economy, but it is very telling of their attitude towards spending a few quid.

Do you have any idea how utterly ridiculous that sounds!? Now you're blaming immigrants for being fiscally prudent and saving their money!? Oh my giddy aunt! I get the impression that were they to spend their cash all over the place you'd have a pop at them for being loose with their money!

Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange

For every decent immigrant who only wants to improve his life & do the right thing there are ten chancers who are only here to milk what they see as a soft touch.

I presume you have some stats to back that up?

Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange

There are plenty more who are nothing but trouble, though. They are the ones the topic is aimed at, but people assume I am generalising & go on about that, rather than talk about the parts where I am right & have a point.

You are generalising. For christsake man, look at what you wrote above!? You've done little other than generalise throughout this entire thread!

And what the hell is this "elite" stuff you're banging on about? I'm never even seen TV so you're going to have to explain it to me.

Originally Posted by blackgang

but to deny the others mental capacity is just stupid.

Or, alternatively, 'educated beyond your intelligence'. Eh, blackgang

Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange

Like I said earlier, I buy my weed off some of them because the regular dealers have been forced out of the picture by the sheer numbers of stabbers & muggers & such.

Sounds like you don't have the right contacts. Lots of good home-grown sold by Brit folks. It's a different scene from brown or rock, you don't buy it in the street.
I suspect the decent dopers don't want to know you.

Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange

Like I said earlier, I buy my weed off some of them because the regular dealers have been forced out of the picture by the sheer numbers of stabbers & muggers & such.

Holy crap, there's literally nothing you won't blame on immigrants is there. Including where you have to buy your illegal drugs from

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Originally Posted by AntRobertson

I'm a lawyer

Tell someone who gives a shit. I have more respect for TEFLers

I'm well versed in employment laws

But the truth is you don't know the ins & outs of it all, so stop pretending you do - you're opinion is worth exactly the same as mine. Probably less, if you take into account experience & not qualifications.

So I say, eggregious codswallop!

You work in Thailand, so how can you possibly know what the employment law is over here - besides Googling it? Have you ever even been to the UK? Don't let it stop you quoting how the law of the land works if you haven't.

Do you have any idea how utterly ridiculous that sounds!

Looking at it now, it sounds a bit silly, but you must see what I'm getting at? They aren't contributing to anything, not just the vending machines. They send most of their money home in a lot of cases & this was all about contributing to the UK economy, wasn't it? Not the Romanian economy, or whatever.

The vending machines is just an everyday example.

What's the big deal about spending 40p on a brew, anyway?

Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange

it sounds like a war zone round your way

You're telling me it is. This area is a joke.

And this is where exactly? Tower Hamlets, Moss Side, The Gorbals, Baghdad?

^

The same estate as the series Shameless is filmed. It's on Youtube if you want a look.

Originally Posted by Robski

your just a punter and a bitter one with no prospects at that.

I'm not bitter at all.

As for prospects, I have achieved everything I wanted to in life so your point's invalid. Everything I achieve from now on is a bonus.

Go cuddle up to your third-world prostitute & think of some more slogans, you cheeky monkey.