Thread: Cost of Immigration

"The Sun"?

Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange

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I spend half my time trying to find links to what I simply know to be true.

That's the price of posting crap.

Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange

I spend half my time trying to find links to what I simply know to be true.

What, like immigrants mugging little old ladies on pension day?

The row over Britain's asylum policies took a new twist last night when Britain's most senior police officer claimed mass immigration has created a 'whole new range of crimes' threatening to overwhelm towns and cities across the country.

In comments which will spark a debate about whether genuine asylum seekers are being used as a cover for criminal gangs, Chris Fox, president of the Association of Chief Police Officers (Acpo), said the mass movement of people around the world had brought new levels of organised crime, with drug dealing, gun offences, prostitution and kidnapping.

Immigrants 'behind crime wave' - police | Politics | The Observer

Organised immigration crime covers both the organised facilitation of immigrants to the UK (“people smuggling”) and the trafficking of people for criminal exploitation, for example as prostitutes or forced labour (“human trafficking”).

Organised illegal immigration causes harm to the people who are trafficked, who often face violence and other personal risks. But it also creates problems for the UK through the economic costs and impact on social cohesion brought by large numbers of illegal migrants.

SOCA | Organised Immigration Crime

It is estimated that each year, some 5,000 women and girls are smuggled or trafficked into the UK on the promise of a job and then compelled to work in the sex trade as prostitutes. Almost all come from impoverished countries in eastern Europe, Africa and Asia and intelligence suggests that some of the criminals who smuggle women and girls into Scotland are themselves illegal immigrants.

The PC way to put it

http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Publicati.../11/29160835/4

BRITISH security services are covertly tailing more than 40 criminal cells run by recent immigrants from eastern Europe.

The gangs, operating across the ­country, are understood to be involved in people trafficking, prostitution, money-laundering, extortion and drugs.

A well-placed Home Office source told the Sunday Express that the cells have thrived since Christmas when the UK open­ed its borders to EU newcomers Bul­garia and Romania.

The Government was repeatedly war­ned of a likely influx of criminals – ­particularly from Bulgaria, renowned as the most lawless nation on the continent.

It is understood two gangs have already had their bank accounts secretly frozen, after investigators found they had accrued more than £15million in just four months.

No arrests have yet been made. Last night Scotland Yard would not comment on the ongoing inquiries.

Daily Express: The World's Greatest Newspaper :: News / Showbiz :: 40 immigrant gangs taking over UK's crime

Let me guess, you googled immigrants Scotland gangs

Still waiting for your stories of massive race war in Scotland.

Around 100 people staged another demonstration in the racially charged Sighthill area of Glasgow on Monday night.

Local residents, most of them youths, staged the protest to highlight, what they say is favouritism towards asylum seekers.

The demonstration came after hundreds of refugees staged an angry protest in Glasgow after a Turkish asylum seeker was stabbed to death on Sunday.



BBC News | SCOTLAND | Racial tensions rise in Glasgow

Keep digging...

Now we've moved on to "asylum policies", "illegal immigration" and Eastern European gangs?

You missed out

Monday, 6 August, 2001

A Kurdish man had been stabbed to death, not in a gang war you'll be disappointed to learn and nothing to do with eastern europeans.

So no racial gang warfare. Give it a break Shitman.

Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange

I keep having to post to prove the blindingly obvious & I'm not doing it any more

That's because with each successive post all you've managed to do is move the posts.

^^Don't you read what you post ? It says "demonstration". Look it up.

Amazing what google can do ...

Richard Littlejohn, a columnist in the Sun, Rupert Murdoch’s daily tabloid, published a particularly vicious, racist novel entitled “To Hell in a Handcart”. Littlejohn’s tract celebrates the anti-liberal and populist prejudices of an imaginary ex-policeman, Mickey French, who kills a Romanian asylum seeker involved in a robbery on his home.

At one point in the book, French’s car is attacked. “He could see the faces pressed against the glass, foreign faces. There must have been 10 or a dozen, swarthy, olive-skinned young men with gold teeth in designer clothes, women in shawls and headscarves with babies in arms, thrusting their hands towards the car.”

The racist prejudices and crude stereotyping in Littlejohn’s first work of fiction can be read each week in his column in the Sun parading as fact.

Originally Posted by Begbie

his column in the Sun

That's also from years ago. Was that written by Will Self? If so I'd also Google your source.

It's gotten worse since he wrote that & RJ is no racist.

Here, perfectly clear, is a perfect example of Daily Mailesque distortion:

Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange

there have been massive fights between gangs of whites & gangs of immigrants

Around 100 people staged another demonstration

Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange

One-hundred people constitutes a gang, in my eyes

Truly a case of reading only what you want to believe if ever I saw one. Honestly do yourself a favour, put down the Daily Mail and read a proper newspaper.

Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange

I keep having to post to prove the blindingly obvious

What's obvious is that you harbour strong anti-immigrant sentiments, as the majority of Mail-readers, but fail to justify this.
I think it's partly your lack of arguing skills, but it could also be that the factual basis for your opinion is simply false.

Anyway, I admire your determination to present your thoughts.

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I can't find the link. I remember seeing it on TV.

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I'm not against immigrants as a rule - I'm against being milked to death to buy them cars & stuff & there should be a limit on the numbers. If, after proper examination of the facts, we are up to or over a fair limit then it's time to pull the shutter down.

Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange

I can't find the link. I remember seeing it on TV.

You sure it wasn't a friend of yours that told you? Someone that lives there perhaps? Or maybe they have a friend that was there and saw it all?

The Economist commissioned a Poll, published in December 1984 about British attitudes to Immigration.

"A YouGov poll for The Economist this week finds that 74% of people believe too many immigrants are coming into the country. Londoners, young people and the middle classes can normally be counted on to hold more liberal views, but not, it seems, when it comes to immigration. Their sentiments are virtually identical. … "

Immigration | Out with the new | Economist.com

For a more in depth and recent look, this series of polls by MORI makes interesting reading:-

http://www.ipsos-mori.com/publicatio...mmigration.pdf

The bottom line is most Brit's do not have an overtly negative or hostile view to immigrants or foreigners as such, but they overwhelmingly think the country has too much immigration currently, and it should be reduced.

Insofar as a citizen/resident of a country has certain rights, and a say in the Democratic process, I do think the issue is being somewhat swept under the carpet by the political mainstream.

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It starts.

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Good stuff - apart from the money demands.

Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange

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It starts.

On the contrary, it started when you began posting baseless nonsense that you patently can't back up.

Nice try.

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My sentiments exactly...

Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange

I'm not against immigrants as a rule

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begging in front of cash machines

Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange

mug old ladies on pension day

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nightly battles that occur at both entrances of the Channel Tunnel

Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange

they have stolen jobs

Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange

chancers who, when they realise that there aren't jobs all over the shop like they've been led to believe, start mugging, stabbing, dealing & all the other shit

Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange

There are many example of race wars in Scotland

Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange

I think you'll find it's my taxes that contribute towards that 8.8 billion they spend. I wouldn't begrudge a man a bit of dole, but this lot are taking the piss.

Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange

there have been massive fights between gangs of whites & gangs of immigrants

And to cap it all off you do yourself the further ignominious discredit of trying to bail out by claiming I'm on the troll. Weak.

I retract what I said earlier, stay with the Daily Mail. It's the perfect match for your ill-informed, baseless, anti-immigrant ranting.

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

You sure it wasn't a friend of yours that told you? Someone that lives there perhaps? Or maybe they have a friend that was there and saw it all?

What sort of response do you expect to such a stupid question?

As for the quotes, I stand by every one of them. They are all true.

Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange

Slogan.

A slogan is a memorable motto or phrase used in a political, commercial, religious & other context as a repetitive expression of an idea or purpose.

Slogans vary from the written and the visual to the chanted and the vulgar. Often their simple rhetorical nature leaves little room for detail, and as such they serve perhaps more as a social expression of unified purpose, rather than a projection for an intended audience.

The irony of your post is totally lost on you isn't it, but then you didn't have to think and write it yourself, you just had to cut and paste.

My point was that you are highlighting a problem brought to your attention by the Daily Mail, but what do you consider should be done to solve the problem? The Daily Mail doesn't offer solutions to the fear and loathing it stirs up does it? So what do you think should be done?

Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange

What sort of response do you expect to such a stupid question?

Consider it rethorical, being that it was only designed to illustrate the absolute ridiculous nature of your 'Oh, I saw it on TV' claim after repeatedly failing to substantiate yet another claim.

Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange

As for all the quotes, I stand by every one of them. They are all true.

Of course they are. TV again, was it?