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No. Because they're one of "the most respected media organizations in the world". They can then, presumably, be relied on to present a balanced and impartial report.Quote:
Originally Posted by astasinim
Of course it is worth noting that some claim the Beeb has leftist tendencies... Fox news watchers usually.
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Originally Posted by AntRobertson
Yes, very easily - try getting a job in the UK without a vast array of qualifications - very difficult these days thanks to all our new 'friends'. Thus, those British locals unable to become highly qualified or are unprepared to work for exploitative wages are forced to endure poverty due to all the new immigrants.
you've got the wrong end of the stick there old chap - I didn't mean Tefl people were taking the jobs off Isan peasants at all but, rather, that if all teachers here were to send their money back to their home countries the economy of Thailand would lose out and thus the poor here would indirectly suffer as a consequence.Quote:
Originally Posted by stroller
I'll curb it a little from now on.Quote:
Originally Posted by AntRobertson
CE is spot on. I don't have many qualifications & there simply aren't the jobs available that there used to be. I'm one of the lucky ones, as I have two jobs, but if I lost either of them, the chances of finding another are very slim.
More like they prefer to live on the dole instead of getting a low-paid job, a British trait well cultivated over the last decades.Quote:
Originally Posted by colourful-era
The dole being paid for ultimately by those who do work, natives and immigrants alike.
Don't take me wrong, I don't mind at all, it's a life-style choice. But hardly the immigrants' fault.
There is some truth in what you are saying, Stroller. There are a lot of people who only want to milk the system, but you are generalising that all the Brits who can't find a job are loving it on the dole & this is simply not true.
If somebody's on the dole their reasons are entirely a matter for them. However, at the local hospital, the window cleaner's contract - which he has had for 20+ years - has recently been scrapped for some Polish outfit to take over.
What job do you expect a 50 year old window cleaner & his crew to find when they start looking for a new one?
There simply is no jobs for them any more.
Try getting a job anywhere without qualifications these days. It's not something unique to the UK nor is it related solely to immigration. And none of which explains your claim that they are "draining resources" anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by colourful-era
Wages in the UK, exploitative or not, are set and protected by legislation. Again, it has nothing to do with immigrants. If a British 'local' is not prepared to work for X amount of pounds and an immigrant is then that's an issue with the work ethic of the British 'local'.Quote:
Originally Posted by colourful-era
So frankly I fail to see how you've established either that immigrants are a 'drain on resources' or that they are 'causing poverty for certain sections of the British population'. Perhaps you could direct me to some accounts or studies of this alleged poverty caused by immigrants?
See OP.Quote:
Originally Posted by AntRobertson
The main one that I can see is healthcare. If I am ill I don't bother going to the Dr any more, as the queue outside the surgery is halfway round the block.
There are Dr's around here that have hung up signs saying 'No More Immigrant Registrations' or something like that. Your average family GP is been swamped with new patients & can't cope.
What a load of bollocks. Go and live in a different part of town.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange
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I'll get you a link later.
What's the point of moving if they are everywhere?
^ You've got a good point. I lived in Knightsbridge and the place was lousy with them....er, wait I think they all had more money than me...
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Ditto Kensington where I stay when I go for work.
^ I wonder if South Ken is still nice and white?
it is not being paid for by those working that then choose to send most of their wages abroad - this is clearly taking money out of the country whilst at the same time preventing an unskilled local person from working - ie: a net outgoing of money from the country.Quote:
Originally Posted by stroller
Obviously , if you are a native of Britain and choose to send your money overseas that is a different matter - that is an acceptable mode of behaviour.
it has everything to do with immigrants - it is these people that are keeping the wages low. Several years ago (in relative terms) one would be better off in a low-paid job yet now as all these desperadoes from Latvia, Romania and Kosovo are willing to work for nothing then it forces local people to do the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by AntRobertson
If a Thai country person considers shitting in a hole a form of modern convenience then why should we? - same logic - a Kosovon will work 7 days a wk for 120 GBP as to him that's a good wage - but not the fault of the British.
so why should a UK citizen have to accept lower wages because the new immigrants are coming from economically challenged countries -
like I said earlier - try going to the UK and finding a job (if you are unskilled)Quote:
Originally Posted by AntRobertson
^^whenever I see comments like this I always want to ask:
"so, if things are so tough, what's stopping you from moving elsewhere in Europe?" [after all, the same rules apply]
Then I remember, by and large your all fucking ignorant and wouldn't be able to find a job elsewhere.
Fact of the matter is that in the UK people believe that they are owed something, the rest of us have to get out there and actually do it.
So the immigrants are making life hard for you. Boo-hoo. Get off your arses and start making things competitive (like getting an education). Otherwise, shut the fuck up!
What's the minimum wage at the moment?Quote:
Originally Posted by colourful-era
Sure you're not talking about illegal work?
William = Right wing bigot
5.35 GBP last time I checked.Quote:
Originally Posted by stroller
This 120 pound figure is attained after various legal 'deductions' (not illegal work although that is worth bearing in mind too)
So what you are saying is basically: make a country or business successful and then just give all your money away to those hard done by chaps on the other part of town. (RE:UK/new EU acession countries)Quote:
Originally Posted by William
so how do you apply your logic to the MANY newly qualified highly educated doctors that cannot now get jobs in the UK due to all the Polish etc.. (or nurses,car mechanics, IT professionals and the rest).
This doesn't just apply to the unskilled - it reaches many levels of the workforce - you wouldn't be such a cocky lump of terd if you had to deal with poverty yourself.
because the UK is my native country for a start - why should I have to emigrate because some others want to come over for a free ride. You sound just like the pro-Bush 'like it or leave it' brigade - (one of the dumber right wing bigot slogans out there)Quote:
Originally Posted by William
That's about what I took home 23 years ago as a starting wage.
Maybe "New Labour" ain't all that good, which is what most of us knew from the start.
I AM in London. It has been stated that immigrants contribute more to the economy than they take out. If that is true, good, but it is difficult to check if true or not. Historically, immigrants have helped the economy by taking jobs that the locals do not want, or by boosting those jobs where there are not enough qualified locals (like bus drivers, nurses, doctors etc)Quote:
Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange
They are not stealing jobs, that is ludicrous. There are enough jobs to go around for everyone that wants one. Most locals do not want jobs that pay only the minimum wage though.
As for immigrants being muggers and stabbers and dealers, that too is nonsense. Most of those criminals are British born and need no help. I cannot deny that there are some immigrant criminals, but that is to be expected in any population.
AS for the comparison between how we behave in Thailand and how they behave in UK, that is weird. "Respect and knowing our place" does apply to some of us, but judging by a lot of posts just in this forum, it is certainly not all of us. In London I have no problem with immigrants, good luck to them. They just want a good standard of living for their families, as do we all.
^^William seems to think it is a good wage.
Space is the problem though - London will soon end up as overcrowded as Bangkok - what is the benefit of that?Quote:
Originally Posted by DrAndy
^a good wage is one you negotiate.
I just hate people who complain because they think they're owed something.
Get a life and get over it.