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    The story goes that not only did he leave the incriminating hard drive at the repair shop last year, but the dummy failed to pick it up.

    Belonging to the kid of a high profile politician, the repair guy had a butchers, found this stuff, decided it should be made public, and that's how it found its way to Guiliani. The part I don't understand is how it got to him when it was originally given to the FBI.

    But yes, as Cujo says, all of this could be a Russian plot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    The story goes
    indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    Yes you're right it 'could' all be bullshit, all of it, very perceptive.
    All of this can be just a smear campaign against that hard-working son to harm his loving father.

    Not so transparent and clear witch hunt as organized at the highest level.

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    Well, let's see what transpires when Pelosi is asked about her daughter's lucrative involvement with a Ukrainian energy firm, no doubt it was legit, but nowadays who knows! And I think Podesta is somewhere in the mix, so he might also need to do some ducking.

    Computers and Democrats is like booze and Thais, not prescribed.

    But that comes later; for now, the Senate (GOP) investigating committee will have no reason to withhold release of info as facts are established, and I suspect the timing won't be good for the Biden campaign.

    Don't shoot the messenger, I expected Trump to win, but not by a landslide.

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    seems to me that this is all unraveling quickly.
    and once again it's an email 'scandal' that miraculously appears weeks before a US presidential election which links back to russia and giuliani.
    imagine that.
    safe bet that giuliani has been promised a blanket pardon for his involvement in this and whatever other federal crimes he's committed or will commit in the days and weeks to come.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    seems to me that this is all unraveling quickly.
    and once again it's an email 'scandal' that miraculously appears weeks before a US presidential election which links back to russia and giuliani.
    imagine that.
    safe bet that giuliani has been promised a blanket pardon for his involvement in this and whatever other federal crimes he's committed or will commit in the days and weeks to come.
    Ah yes it's the sneaky Russians, again.

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    ^
    hold on.
    are you denying that the russians played a role in the wikileaks dump in 2016?
    or that they're actively involved in trying to influence the results of the 2020 election?

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    Must say so I won't need to be reminded me that I never met the guy, but Hunter Biden comes across as a spoiled kid that thinks he's protected by daddy and doesn't need to bother about sensible precautions, far above any form of accountability, can do as he pleases with impunity, believes nothing can go wrong as his daddy was just a heartbeat away from becoming the most powerful man on earth, so it really doesn't matter if he hands over catastrophic proofs to a stranger.

    Ok, my puzzle cleared up, it seems the repair guy trusts the FBI as much as I do, which is why he made a copy of the hard drive before giving it to the FBI, and a copy of his copy to Giuliani, while the Senate is investigating with their own (Russian) copy.

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    as i posted earlier....this whole 'story' is unraveling before our eyes.

    if you were a computer-repair shop in Delaware, and you had a Biden-owned computer that you repaired but weren’t paid for, why would your first step be to reach out to Rudy Giuliani’s attorney? Why wouldn’t you go to the Bidens — who are fairly well known and easy to find in Delaware — to get paid? And why would the FBI even be allowed to investigate this computer without a search warrant?

    The author of the Post’s stories on the stolen Hunter Biden emails, Emma-Jo Morris, is a former Hannity segment producer-booker who has written a total of three articles, all of them covering the Biden story and published today. If Giuliani is obfuscating about how he came across these emails, Morris does not seem to be the reporter who is most likely to crack open his cover story.


    While Giuliani has not previously demonstrated any deep network of contacts in the Delaware computer-repair world, he has a long-standing string of contacts in the Russian intelligence world. He has met publicly with Andriy Derkach, who has been officially designated as a Russian intelligence agent by the U.S. Treasury Department. Derkach and Giuliani have spent months plotting to obtain and publicize Russian-sponsored information or pseudo-information discrediting Biden. Also, this past January, Russian hackers reportedly obtained emails from Burisma.


    But according to the Post, the stolen Burisma emails Giuliani found and shared with a Hannity producer have nothing to do with either the Russian agents who hacked Burisma emails or the Russian intelligence official whom he has been working with in broad daylight.


    If that story is not true, then Trump’s lawyer is cooperating with Russian intelligence operatives on a hack-and-leak operation to influence the presidential campaign. But that would never happen, would it?
    Rudy Found Biden Emails, Totally Weren’t Stolen by Russia

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    ^
    hold on.
    are you denying that the russians played a role in the wikileaks dump in 2016?
    or that they're actively involved in trying to influence the results of the 2020 election?
    Are you denying...? - always a good start when one is hopelessly lost.

    FFs Ray, what are you talking about? - I'm talking about the contents of Hunter Biden's hard drive, and so far there's little evidence that the Russians faked it.

    Please be sure to let us know when you have more than the usual bluster that the Russians must be behind all revelations that are potentially negative to Biden or the Dems.

    And do keep on mind that sometimes, only sometimes, politicians are bent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    FFs Ray, what are you talking about?
    i was replying directly to this:

    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    Ah yes it's the sneaky Russians, again.


    btw, it hasn't gone unnoticed that you didn't answer either of these questions:


    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    are you denying that the russians played a role in the wikileaks dump in 2016?
    or that they're actively involved in trying to influence the results of the 2020 election?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    comes across as a spoiled kid that thinks he's protected by daddy and doesn't need to bother about sensible precautions, far above any form of accountability, can do as he pleases with impunity, believes nothing can go wrong as his daddy was just a heartbeat away from becoming the most powerful man on earth, so it really doesn't matter if he hands over catastrophic proofs to a stranger.
    How are you not talking about the Trump kids and / or Kushner here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    i was replying directly to this:





    btw, it hasn't gone unnoticed that you didn't answer either of these questions:
    So glad you didn't notice. But seeing as you're a stickler for demanding a response to irrelevant questions, let's try a few relevant ones closer home:

    1 - What do you think of the alleged contents Hunter Biden's hard drive?

    2 - Do you think there is any truth in the NYP's revelations?

    3 - Do you think this is a Russian plot?

    4 - Do you think Biden abused his position to rake it in, not just for his kids but also those of other high profile politicians and business people?

    5 - Do you think?



    When people are corrupt in other countries, they don't stop being corrupt at home. This is the nature of corruption.

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    a real photo of the owner of the computer repair shop

    Hunter Biden Busted?-ekv6gnxu8aaewbw-jpg

    let's keep in mind....
    1. he didn't take the contact info of the person who dropped off the computer at his shop. seems legit.
    2. he illegally copied the hard drive
    3. he gave the hard drive to the FBI...who didn't have a warrant to search it
    4. or maybe he gave it to rudy giuliani (!?!?!?) before giving it to the FBI....we don't know because the guy's story keeps changing.

    looks like a huge self-own in the making here.

    but more accurately it's just more disinformation that is primarily intended to "flood the zone"....people won't have any idea if it's factual or not....but they will know about it because it's in the news, and that's good enough for the trump campaign....they know that they need to suppress the vote if they're going to have any chance.

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    It is a nothing burger started by a trumpanzee and first published by the fucking New York Post which is a total rag owned by Rupert Murdoch. It is a desperate Hail Mary attempt nothing more. The only ones wasting anytime thinking about this utter tosh are brainwashed trumpamzees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    are you denying that the russians played a role in the wikileaks dump in 2016?
    or that they're actively involved in trying to influence the results of the 2020 election?



    i'd never noticed the similarities between jabir and klondyke before....i suppose the only difference is that klondyke is getting paid for it.

    and jabir is just a useful idiot doing it for free.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    How are you not talking about the Trump kids and / or Kushner here.
    Sure we can talk about Trump's kids. We can do that now or later, they may be the worst people anyone could imagine spawning, but I posted about what's coming out concerning the contents of Hunter Biden's hard drive.

    I believe this is important and relevant, esp so close to a critical election, but if the TD consensus is to create a comfort zone from which to blame the Russians or anyone other than those that appear to be involved, then let's pretend it doesn't exist and join in tutting about Trump's awful kids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    It is a nothing burger started by a trumpanzee and first published by the fucking New York Post which is a total rag owned by Rupert Murdoch.
    who wrote the article?
    a producer for hannity's TV show.

    how many articles has she ever written?
    3.
    all of them about hunter biden.


    seems legit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    a real photo of the owner of the computer repair shop

    Hunter Biden Busted?-ekv6gnxu8aaewbw-jpg

    let's keep in mind....
    1. he didn't take the contact info of the person who dropped off the computer at his shop. seems legit.
    2. he illegally copied the hard drive
    3. he gave the hard drive to the FBI...who didn't have a warrant to search it
    4. or maybe he gave it to rudy giuliani (!?!?!?) before giving it to the FBI....we don't know because the guy's story keeps changing.

    looks like a huge self-own in the making here.

    but more accurately it's just more disinformation that is primarily intended to "flood the zone"....people won't have any idea if it's factual or not....but they will know about it because it's in the news, and that's good enough for the trump campaign....they know that they need to suppress the vote if they're going to have any chance.
    And the questions?

    1 - What do you think of the alleged contents Hunter Biden's hard drive?

    2 - Do you think there is any truth in the NYP's revelations?

    3 - Do you think this is a Russian plot?

    4 - Do you think Biden abused his position to rake it in, not just for his kids but also those of other high profile politicians and business people?

    Go on, just one will do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post



    i'd never noticed the similarities between jabir and klondyke before....i suppose the only difference is that klondyke is getting paid for it.

    and jabir is just a useful idiot doing it for free.
    Ah right, no answer, so shoot at the messenger. Such a novel concept.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    I believe this is important and relevant
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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    Ah right, no answer
    indeed....

    are you denying that the russians played a role in the wikileaks dump in 2016?
    or that they're actively involved in trying to influence the results of the 2020 election?



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    "As Giuliani has sought to locate information about Hunter Biden and Ukraine, he has regularly interacted with a Ukrainian lawmaker who was recently sanctioned by the U.S. Treasury Department as being an “active Russian agent for over a decade” and was engaged in an influence operation to affect the 2020 election."

    I'm sure I've heard something along these lines before.

    Something like "Russia...... Collusion"?

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/10/14/hunter-bidens-alleged-laptop-an-explainer/

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    from the article i linked to earlier.....which blows this entire "story" out of the water.

    The primary lie in the Post’s account is the claim that Burisma was being investigated by the Ukrainian prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, who Biden demanded be fired. If that were true, it would suggest a quid pro quo: Burisma hires Biden’s son Hunter, Biden demands firing of prosecutor investigating Burisma. The Post, echoing the Trump campaign’s disinformation, claims “Biden later bragged about forcing Ukrainian officials to fire a state prosecutor who was investigating Burisma.”


    In fact, though, Shokin was not investigating Burisma. Shokin was considered corrupt and ineffectual, and Biden and the entire democratic world wanted him gone precisely because he was not probing corruption. “Shokin was not investigating. He didn’t want to investigate Burisma,” Daria Kaleniuk, executive director of the Ukrainian Anti-Corruption Action Center, told the Washington Post in July. “And Shokin was fired not because he wanted to do that investigation, but quite to the contrary, because he failed that investigation.” Kaleniuk also told Radio-Free Europe/Radio Liberty last year that Shokin “dumped important criminal investigations on corruption associated with [former President Viktor] Yanukovych, including the Burisma case.”


    Was Burisma paying Hunter Biden in an attempt to influence his father? Yes. Did Hunter deliver that influence? No. Biden did the opposite of what Burisma wanted.

    as ms. stein said, "there's no there there".
    Last edited by raycarey; 15-10-2020 at 12:56 PM.

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