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    I'm sure the duplicitous frogs throwing their toy out of the pram was considered insignificant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    duplicitous
    Wow
    Is this an english word used on a...daily basis, a test for loose teeth or just a lust for being pretentious ?

    Cyrille ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by helge View Post
    Wow
    Is this an english word used on a...daily basis, a test for loose teeth or just a lust for being pretentious ?
    Sorry your command of English is pitiful at best.

    I'd suggest purchasing a dictionary.

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    Nah

    I'll ask Cyrille

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    Interesting to compare Australian partisan political rhetoric, with actual import Consumption:-




    In competition between China and the US, Australian consumers choose China



    Australia’s relationship with China involves many dimensions and Australia/China relations look a lot different from different perspectives.


    Imports are more interesting.

    Imports reflect the choices of millions of Australians as to where they wish to source their purchases. That might include farmers buying farm equipment or teenagers buying smart phones or millions of other scenarios.

    So let us go back a bit. In calendar year 1988 Chinese imports were only 2 per cent of all merchandise imports while the US accounted for 21 per cent of Australian imports. So back then when the economists such as those in the Industry Commission (now Productivity Commission) argued for free trade it was American sources that would have been the big beneficiaries, although Japan also loomed large at 20 per cent of Australian merchandise imports.

    Indeed, Japan loomed then as the big threat to American industry.


    Fast forward to 2021 and a quick look at Australia’s merchandise trade shows that 28 per cent of Australian imports come from China (excluding Hong Kong, Macau and Taiwan), compared with 11 per cent from the US, 6 per cent from Japan and every other source is below 5 per cent and mostly well below 5 per cent.

    These figures suggest that there are strong market forces that bias Australian purchases towards Chinese supply. If we include the value of Chinese inputs that are converted into exports from Taiwan and Hong Kong, the figure would be so much higher again.

    In these import figures we can appreciate the gradual waxing of China as an economic power house and the waning of the US.

    Full Article- In competition between China and the US, Australian consumers choose China - Pearls and Irritations (johnmenadue.com)


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    strong market forces
    i.e. price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Interesting to compare Australian partisan political rhetoric, with actual import Consumption:-




    In competition between China and the US, Australian consumers choose China



    Australia’s relationship with China involves many dimensions and Australia/China relations look a lot different from different perspectives.


    Imports are more interesting.

    Imports reflect the choices of millions of Australians as to where they wish to source their purchases. That might include farmers buying farm equipment or teenagers buying smart phones or millions of other scenarios.

    So let us go back a bit. In calendar year 1988 Chinese imports were only 2 per cent of all merchandise imports while the US accounted for 21 per cent of Australian imports. So back then when the economists such as those in the Industry Commission (now Productivity Commission) argued for free trade it was American sources that would have been the big beneficiaries, although Japan also loomed large at 20 per cent of Australian merchandise imports.

    Indeed, Japan loomed then as the big threat to American industry.


    Fast forward to 2021 and a quick look at Australia’s merchandise trade shows that 28 per cent of Australian imports come from China (excluding Hong Kong, Macau and Taiwan), compared with 11 per cent from the US, 6 per cent from Japan and every other source is below 5 per cent and mostly well below 5 per cent.

    These figures suggest that there are strong market forces that bias Australian purchases towards Chinese supply. If we include the value of Chinese inputs that are converted into exports from Taiwan and Hong Kong, the figure would be so much higher again.

    In these import figures we can appreciate the gradual waxing of China as an economic power house and the waning of the US.

    Full Article- In competition between China and the US, Australian consumers choose China - Pearls and Irritations (johnmenadue.com)

    They do not choose China. quite often there is little choice. The govt has let cheap imports decimate the manufacturing industry here. Australia's anti dumping laws were woefully inadequate in policing govt subsidised imports from Asia and complaints from manufacturers could take 2 or 3 years to resolve, in the meantime the local industry was decimated. The theory that a market based economy can survive on export of services only is not viable.
    China makes much of the cheap white goods and in some cases it has monopolised that industry. In Australia it is almost impossible to buy a kettle a toaster or other small white goods that are not made in China. Even some of the better known American brands are made in China. At least most of my major appliances are european.
    China's products have a bad reputation for reliability in Australia and Chinese agression towards Australia has only worsened Australians attitude towards Chinese products.
    The figures may be correct but they dont tell the story. I will buy anywhere but China first and only buy Chinese when nothing is available from anywhere else and most of my friends are the same. It has nothing to do with preference when there is no other choice... A bit like voting for the CCP.

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    Interesting to compare Hugh's rhetoric to actual import consumption too.


    Then of course, there are exports-


    China hits 48.8pc of Australian exports


    China's share of Australian exports have reached an all-time high, rising to 48.8 per cent and driving the 30th consecutive monthly trade surplus to $8.2 billion.

    Official figures showed the exports to China – mainly due to iron ore, especially in the June quarter – reached a record $14.6 billion. Goods exports to China are now worth around 8.5 per cent of Australia's GDP.
    China hits 48.8pc of Australian exports (afr.com)


    With enemies like that, who needs friends.

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    I wrote a nice long answer but decided there is no point to rebutt your anti australian comments. Enjoy your life in China.

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    Anti Australian? Lovin' life in the Lucky Country mate. I just want it to stay that way.

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    It does make you wonder why these cheerleaders for genocidal dictators aren't so keen to go and live under their rule.

    Hypocrisy at its finest.

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    Thailand has many "Chinese".

    No need to relocate.

    The annual meet ups in my own small village, a Chinese celebration of some importance I believe. Excellent food, drinks, entertainment and company. A very inclusive and tolerant group.

    You need to get acquainted with a larger percentage of Thais, 'arry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Thailand has many "Chinese".

    No need to relocate.

    The annual meet ups in my own small village, a Chinese celebration of some importance I believe. Excellent food, drinks, entertainment and company. A very inclusive and tolerant group.

    You need to get acquainted with a larger percentage of Thais, 'arry.

    Do you all pause from munching on bats to chat about how great it is that you might be getting shitovac hoohoo?

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    cheerleaders for genocidal dictators aren't so keen to go and live under their rule.
    How's life in Saudi?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    How's life in Saudi?
    Why are you asking me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Anti Australian? Lovin' life in the Lucky Country mate. I just want it to stay that way.
    And you believe being a pro chinese propagandist and toadying to Chinese agressive behaviour will achieve that.
    There was once a guy named Neville Chamberlain of a similar vain to yourself. That worked well.

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    ^ It did, indeed. Neville Chamberlain knew exactly what he was doing.

    As for the aggressive behaviour of China, this 'existential threat', what exactly? Invading Iraq & Afghanistan? Trying to overthrow any government they don't like? Sorry pal, but the aggressive behaviour this century ain't coming from China. That's just the plain truth.

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    Sorry pal, but the aggressive behaviour this century ain't coming from China.

    Tibet? Uigyars, Hong kong South China sea Vietnam, the indian border Taiwan, Miltary runways on reefs? Threatening vietnamese and Philippine fisherman? So sorry my mistake

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    Also a special thanks to LD for pointing out I should've spelt vane vein. It's so important we have people on TD that can point out these horrendous spelling mistakes. I'm surprised I didnt here from Cyrille on such a momentous mistake. Maybe he is waiting until his eyes stop bleeding.
    Thanks again LD. I am so grateful words fail me.
    Wat wood TD doo witout peeple such as yoarself spendeing there evry wakeing momant going ovver every tedios werd of evry poste too make shore their arre know speling erors to horify tha reeders ande takeing tyme oute ov there bizy daiy to tel theam there missteaks.
    Sum mite saye a nit piking prik butt I saye neigh, ewe arr a Pronce among men.
    Oh dear, I think I missspelt Prince, I seem to have added a surplus r.
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    This is a quality article, from ABC's Stan Grant.



    The US and China are preparing for war — and Australia is caught in the crosshairs


    Every year China celebrates a victory over the United States. We know it as the Korean War, the Chinese call it the "War to Resist American Aggression and Aid Korea".
    When Mao Zedong's People's Volunteer Army turned back the US Eighth Army in December 1950, it inflicted what is still known today as the longest retreat in American military history.
    The battle of Ch'ongch'on has taken on even more significance as the drum beat sounds louder of another conflict between China and the US.
    Last year, at the 70th anniversary of China's triumph, Xi Jinping warned the Chinese people "the road ahead will not be smooth". He called on people to revive the spirit of the Korean War, to "speak to invaders in the language they know … to use war to prevent war".
    Simply: tell the Americans that China is not afraid, it was victorious once, and will be again.


    China, Xi said, won "with less steel and more spirit". The forces of China and North Korea, he said, "defeated their armed to teeth rival and shattered the myth of invincibility of the US Army".
    Korea is known as the "forgotten war". America and allies prefer to commemorate FWorld War I and II victories. But in China, the battle of Ch'ongch'on is as revered as D-Day.
    A Chinese state media opinion piece last year warned the US that victory in Korea "is a reminder that China has never been afraid".

    War was once unthinkable

    Make no mistake: we are now in a phase of preparation for war. China is becoming more aggressive in tone and actions, while the US is strengthening its regional alliances.
    War that was once unthinkable is now improbable — but not impossible. Since the US declared China a "strategic competitor" in 2017, tension has heightened.


    America and China have already fought a trade war; they are waging war in cyberspace and there are red lines that could trigger a full-blown confrontation.
    China's Communist Party mouthpiece Global Times last year warned the US not to "play with fire". The editorial cautioned America to stay out of China's "core interests".
    Those core interests are the disputed islands of the South China Sea — now claimed and militarised by China — and Taiwan.
    President Xi has committed himself to reuniting the island with the China Mainland by force if necessary.
    Xi cannot back down and the US cannot be made to look weak lest it relinquish its regional dominance. As the Chinese say: two tigers cannot live on the same mountain.

    Any conflict would 'get worse before it gets worse'

    Harvard University military historian Graham Allison says any conflict would "get worse before it gets worse", meaning it will escalate to drag in countries throughout the Indo-Pacific, perhaps even globally.
    The author of the book Destined for War, Allison says it could become a nuclear war.
    Australia is in the crosshairs of this new great power rivalry: on one side the US, our key strategic ally, and on the other our biggest trading partner, China.
    Gone is the idea that we don't have to choose. Australia has chosen the US. We are paying a price with a deteriorating relationship with China and our exporters are suffering.


    Australia has updated its defence strategic outlook boosting military spending by $270 billion over the next decade. It's a reflection of an increasingly hostile outlook.
    Prime Minister Scott Morrison has characterised this moment as one "that is poorer, that is more dangerous and that is more disorderly".
    The so-called Quad grouping — Australia, India, Japan and US — is stepping up its cooperation to try to contain or thwart China's ambitions and increasing aggressiveness.
    The Quad has been widely praised as an example of a resurgent democratic alliance in Asia. Yet questions remain, particularly about India and Japan.

    Questions about the quad

    Tokyo has so far successfully (more successfully than Australia) managed its relationship with China, its biggest trading partner — despite historic enmity and ongoing territorial disputes.
    Japan has avoided the types of trade bans China has applied to Australia. Would it risk its interests to defend Australia?
    Of course, Japan is closely aligned to the US. But there are those who have questioned America's resolve and in recent years — particularly under former Prime Minister Abe — there has been a push for Japan to reform its pacifist constitution and strengthen its military posture.
    And what of India? It clashed with China last year along their disputed border, with casualties on both sides. It has a long history of remaining non-aligned. It faces a nuclear armed hostile neighbour, Pakistan, that has close ties with China.


    India faces much more immediate and perilous threats than Australia. Would it stay the course if tensions escalate?
    And, in seeking to counter China, we excuse the worst aspects of Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modhi. An autocratic figure once banned from entering the US who promotes Hindu nationalism, he is accused of suppressing the votes of Muslims and other minorities and winding back media freedom.
    India and Japan also pursue their own international relationships and have close ties to countries hostile to the US.
    India has relied on Russia as its biggest weapons supplier and tacitly supported Vladimir Putin's annexation of Crimea.
    Delhi has brokered its own trilateral arrangement with Moscow and Tokyo in part to assuage Russian concern about the Quad.
    Japan has maintained strong relations with Iran, something it shares with China.


    A 'realist view' of the world order

    The Quad is not as air-tight as its champions may want us to believe.
    To China, the Quad is a Cold War-style bloc. It appears as a 20th century solution — maintaining US hegemony — to a 21st century problem of incorporating and balancing rising Chinese authoritarian power. Clearly this is an historical moment that, as history reminds us, if mishandled can end in disaster.


    The emergence of big powers unsettles the world. Britain's empire was built on brutal colonisation and war, including war with China.
    American imperialism came with annexing territory in the Pacific and the Caribbean, claiming places like Hawaii, the Philippines, Guam and American Samoa.
    We should not be surprised at China's territorial claims or its aggression. The ruthless excesses of Xi Jinping can't be ignored and nations like Australia are right to defend their interests.
    So, what to do?
    Former Australian prime minister, China diplomat and now head of the Asia Society think tank, Kevin Rudd, has set out an argument for what he calls "managed strategic competition". Rudd calls it a "realist view" of the world order.
    He writes: "It accepts that states will continue to seek security by building a balance of power in their favour … The trick in this case is to reduce the risk to both sides as the competition between them unfolds by jointly crafting a limited number of rules of the road that will help prevent war."
    Rudd concedes this is easier said than done, given "the near complete erosion of trust". He's echoing the sentiment of another former prime minister, Paul Keating, who in a speech in 2014 asked if it was time to build a new strategic order.
    American power was no longer uncontested, Keating argued, and China's rise was undeniable. The problem, he said, was that both China and America had deeply divergent views of regional power and negotiation had not yet truly begun.


    So it remains in 2021

    What we have instead is hawkish talk of war, a military build-up, and Cold War alliances. The battle of Ch'ongch'on 70 years ago can be seen today as a harbinger of American decline.
    What followed was war and retreat in Vietnam, endless conflict in Afghanistan — where the Taliban remains entrenched, the folly of the invasion of Iraq that removed a brutal dictator in Saddam Hussein but left a destabilised, ravaged country ripe for terrorist insurgency like Islamic State, financial crisis, deep social and political division and the upheaval and trauma of the Trump presidency.
    For all America's economic and military might, it is a deeply damaged nation seeking to recapture its former glory in a world where it meets a rival of enormous and growing strength.
    China remembers the Korean War while America tries to forget it. The ghosts of wars past are stirring again.
    Yet there is another lesson of history: America helped open up China; its markets made China rich.
    China even at its most bellicose and belligerent knows war with America would be catastrophic.
    The two nations have been better as "friends" than "enemies".

    The US and China are preparing for war — and Australia is caught in the crosshairs - ABC News


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    Also a special thanks to LD for pointing out I should've spelt vane vein. It's so important we have people on TD that can point out these horrendous spelling mistakes. I'm surprised I didnt here from Cyrille on such a momentous mistake. Maybe he is waiting until his eyes stop bleeding.
    Thanks again LD. I am so grateful words fail me.
    Wat wood TD doo witout peeple such as yoarself spendeing there evry wakeing momant going ovver every tedios werd of evry poste too make shore their arre know speling erors to horify tha reeders ande takeing tyme oute ov there bizy daiy to tel theam there missteaks.
    Sum mite saye a nit piking prik butt I saye neigh, ewe arr a Pronce among men.
    Oh dear, I think I missspelt Prince, I seem to have added a surplus r.

    I'm so happy you appreciate's my eagles eye, but when peeple substitute wurds' with others' which sound the same but are spelt differently, it makes my eye's go all googly, and my brain's to lock up slightly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    This is a quality article, from ABC's Stan Grant.
    This is more drivel that essentially says Australia should shut up about Chinkystan's human rights record, predatory lending tactics and parasitic sucking dry of global resources.

    But then I see Stan is quite partial to blowing the chinky cock for cash occasionally.

    Australia V China-stan-grant_0003-1024x683-jpg

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    I'm sure the viewer is quite capable of reading and deciding for themself 'arry. But OK, 'arry says Stan Grants article is drivel. Like, oh dear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    I'm sure the viewer is quite capable of reading and deciding for themself 'arry. But OK, 'arry says Stan Grants article is drivel. Like, oh dear.
    As the saying goes, "A picture paints a thousand words".

    The words could be "Stan sucks chinky cock for cash" repeated a lot.

    Or it could be "Stan sucks Big Coal cock for cash", one doesn't want to be too specific.




    Added: Of course it's just occurred to me that by brown-nosing one, he can get cheques from both of them.
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