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    I think your obvious anti-ScoMo feelings are detracting from what any leader would have done in the face of Chinese bullying, even Mis Everplease Ardern rebuked China for the tweet and economic bullying. The new foreign minister just asked vacuously if NZ had said something to displease China . . . what a stupid, pc choice of FM.

    Diversification of privately owned products is not that easy to achieve - NZ is i the same boat but they're happy to hitch their wagon to the Chinese juggernaut despite seeing exactly what China did/does/will do whenever they wish. Again, it's the individual companies that decide who to trade with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Diversification of privately owned products is not that easy to achieve
    after decades of the easiest path by our highly competent and well paid bureaucrats - now they can work for their cash

    the main reason china smelts our ore is because they can pollute with minimal consequences

    with excess electricity australia could do the smelting and refining using hydrogen and be a lot cleaner and then hold strong cards to play against the bullying chins

    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    I think your obvious anti-ScoMo feelings are detracting from what any leader would have done in the face of Chinese bullying
    scotty has been a scumbag all his life - you know he was sacked from tourism NZ back in the 90's for being a cronyism turd

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    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
    scotty has been a scumbag all his life - you know he was sacked from tourism NZ back in the 90's for being a cronyism turd
    Oh yes . . . quite well publicised here and I'm not saying he's doing a fine job but not everything he touches is crap - like sending Kiwi crims back - good on him for that . . . Kiwis hate it. MOre of their scumbags on the street and breaking laws here



    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
    after decades of the easiest path by our highly competent and well paid bureaucrats - now they can work for their cash
    Of course but it isn't the government nor the bureaucrats, by extension, that cut trade deals - they merely lay the groundwork. It's the greed of producers/suppliers that has created this problem . . . well, the problem of dependency

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    that cut trade deals
    I believe they chose their focus because it was easier and had little forethought about the future and having so much dependence - easy to say in hindsight , but I think it is fair criticism

    now they should be pivoting hard - not easy I understand in these troubled economic times , but they should be driven hard by their leadership to get some diversification

    some thoughts by kevin last night


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    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
    I believe they chose their focus because it was easier and had little forethought about the future and having so much dependence - easy to say in hindsight , but I think it is fair criticism
    Absolutely a fair criticism



    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
    but they should be driven hard by their leadership to get some diversification
    This is where government is useful - entering trade negotiations on a G-G level . . . and get rid of the one-way street.



    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
    some thoughts by kevin last night
    I seem to remember Rudd being more China-cock-sucking than he comes across as.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    I seem to remember Rudd being more China-cock-sucking than he comes across as.
    the murdoch press has spent years throwing mud at him

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    The British government has vowed to stand with Australia to “protect our key interests and values” and push back at “disinformation” amid a deepening rift in Canberra’s relationship with Beijing.

    The American ambassador to Australia also accused a Chinese foreign ministry official of spreading “disinformation through fabricated images and disingenuous statements” about Australia.

    The United Kingdom and the United States are the latest countries to speak out in support of Australia, after France and New Zealand criticised China over an official tweeting a digitally-created image depicting an Australian soldier cutting the throat of a child in Afghanistan.

    China has accused Australia of overreacting to the tweet and hyping the issue for domestic political purposes.

    When asked about the tweeted image, a spokesperson for the UK’s Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office told the Guardian the foreign secretary, Dominic Raab, “has made clear we will always stand shoulder to shoulder with Australia to make sure that we protect our key interests and values”.


    “Disinformation is an issue we take extremely seriously and we will continue to coordinate closely with Australia and other international partners to ensure our citizens are protected,” the spokesperson said.


    Australia demands China explain why it has been singled out on trade restrictions
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    The Guardian understands the British government believes that China, as a leading member of the international community, should live up to the obligations that come with that. It views the tweeted image as clearly fake and deeply concerning.

    When asked in the House of Commons last month about China’s escalating trade actions against Australia, Raab indicated he had regular exchanges with the Australian foreign minister, Marise Payne, and expressed “solidarity”.


    Raab said the UK was also working alongside Australia and the other Five Eyes partners – the US, Canada and New Zealand – on issues such as the crackdown on pro-democracy movements in Hong Kong.

    The US ambassador to Australia, Arthur Culvahouse, responded to questions from the Guardian by saying the Australian government had “responsibly investigated and disclosed allegations that its soldiers committed crimes in Afghanistan”.

    “The world can only wish that the Chinese Communist party were to bring the same degree of transparency and accountability to credible reports of atrocities against the Uighurs in Xinjiang,” Culvahouse, who was appointed by Donald Trump, said in an emailed statement on Wednesday.


    Those sentiments were backed by the US State Department’s deputy spokesperson, Cale Brown, who described the Afghanistan tweet as “a new low, even for the Chinese Communist party”.

    UK and US lock in behind Australia in China row | Australia news | The Guardian

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    ^This latest stunt may well blow up in the faces of these bat eating cvnts. Fingers crossed...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    China has accused Australia of overreacting to the tweet and hyping the issue for domestic political purposes.
    As they would . . . the most revolting and insensitive nation on earth is also the most thin-skinned nation on earth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Headworx View Post
    This latest stunt may well blow up in the faces
    this is not how it plays for domestic consumption - which is what counts in the control of their unwashed

    the best thing about this is I think they may be overplaying their hand and the international blowback will leak into their internal bubble - I think they are underestimating the land of qq and it will be another straw added to the load

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    but it isn't the government nor the bureaucrats, by extension, that cut trade deals


    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    government is useful - entering trade negotiations on a G-G level
    Government to Government trade agreements are exactly what Government ministers/politicians do. They sign the agreements, on behalf of all OZ citizens, to take the praise for the effective ones, along with the blame when not.

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    Chinese foreign ministry official of spreading “disinformation
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    the Australian government had “responsibly investigated and disclosed allegations that its soldiers committed crimes in Afghanistan”.
    Are you suggesting the soldiers didn't commit human right atrocities, with the knowledge and backing of the OZ military leadership and government officials for many years?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    The United Kingdom and the United States are the latest countries to speak out in support of Australia
    No blood under their finger nails then.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    hyping the issue for domestic political purposes.
    SOP, for all the media, worldwide.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    who described the Afghanistan tweet as “a new low, even for the Chinese Communist party”.
    Factually correct but illustrated it with a less distressing "doctored" image.

    The original published "doctored" image shows a soldieir and a child, with the child obscured. The Chinese published images shows a soldieir and a child, with the child obscured/covered with a lamb.

    One must believe the person who photographed the pair has the original negative and the military have an original print.

    Quote Originally Posted by Headworx View Post
    This latest stunt may well blow up in the faces of these
    A number of years since the incidents when the OZ military and government have been aware and supported such atrocities.
    A tray full of GOLD is not worth a moment in time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    A number of years since the incidents when the OZ military and government have been aware and supported such atrocities.
    I'm not saying there's no cases to be answered, there are and heads will roll over this. What I am saying is for some Communist shithole that's brought us Coronavirus and has things like The Great Leap Forward and Tiananmen Square on their CV, they should pull their fucking heads in and worry more about the things they pretend never happened rather than telling countries how to behave that don't eat bats, starve tens of millions of their own countrymen to death, or direct their military to mow citizens down by the thousand who want to express themselves against the Gov't. Fuck China and fuck anything resembling it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Headworx View Post
    some Communist shithole
    Improving their citizens living standards year after year. As opposed to some unexceptional countries where the top 1% get richer and the bottom 50% get poorer?

    Quote Originally Posted by Headworx View Post
    that's brought us Coronavirus
    Do you have the link to the UN body who have been ordered to report on the virus origin to share with us or are you referring to yesterdays WSJ report?
    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Covid-19 Likely in U.S. in Mid-December 2019, CDC Scientists Report
    Quote Originally Posted by Headworx View Post
    The Great Leap Forward
    Abolishing poverty for a large number of it's citizens or are you referring to another event?

    Quote Originally Posted by Headworx View Post
    iananmen Square
    Failed colour revolution.

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    they pretend never happened
    Not sure what this accusation is regarding.

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    don't eat bats,
    As opposed to Brussel Sprouts?

    Quote Originally Posted by Headworx View Post
    tarve tens of millions of their own countrymen to death
    Abolishing poverty for a large number of it's citizens

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    military to mow citizens down by the thousand
    Which event are you referring to?

    Quote Originally Posted by Headworx View Post
    Fuck China
    Yes, the Chinese don't squeak as much as the Japanese ladies.

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    ^Jesus Christ are you fucking Chinese? Seriously?

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    Social media platform WeChat censors Scott Morrison's post directed at Chinese community

    A message by Prime Minister Scott Morrison that was directed at the Chinese community and critical of an inflammatory post by a senior Beijing bureaucrat has been censored by a Chinese tech giant.
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    Mr Morrison posted the message on Tuesday night, but it was taken down on Wednesday
    A message which replaced it said the PM's post "fabricated social hot topics", among other things
    In the post, the PM defended Australia's handling of the allegations of war crimes

    The statement on social media platform WeChat was published on Tuesday night. However, it has now been blocked because it "violates" the company's regulations.

    Mr Morrison had taken to WeChat to again voice the Australian Government's disgust at Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Zhao Lijiang's tweet on Monday, which showed a fake image of an Australian soldier created by a Chinese artist.

    The Prime Minister said in the WeChat post Australia was dealing with allegations of war crimes detailed in the landmark Brereton Inquiry in an "honest and transparent way", which was how any "free, democratic and enlightened nation" would act.

    Mr Morrison followed the swipe at Beijing with a promise the diplomatic spat would not diminish the respect and appreciation Australia had for the Chinese people.
    Australia's place in the global order is shifting
    A composite image of Xi Jinping and Scott Morrison against red backdrops

    Scott Morrison has sent a message to China that Australia will not be America's "deputy sheriff" and Canberra won't be making decisions based on a choice between Washington and Beijing, writes Stan Grant.
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    On Wednesday, the WeChat post was no longer accessible.

    A message from the social media platform was displayed in its place. It said the post was "involving the use of words, pictures, videos" that would "incite, mislead, and violate objective facts, fabricating social hot topics, distorting historical events, and confusing the public".

    The ABC has contacted WeChat's parent company, Tencent, for comment, as well as the Prime Minister's office.

    Last year Mr Morrison was grilled by reporters about whether his WeChat account could be censored by the Chinese Government.

    He replied: "No, we haven't experienced any such censorship."

    One Government official told the ABC it was too early to gauge whether Mr Morrison's post had been pulled down by Tencent on the orders of the Chinese Government.

    On Wednesday, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying brandished a copy of the Inspector-General of the Australian Defence Force's report into allegations of war crimes in Afghanistan, and took aim at the Australian Government for demanding the tweet by her colleague be removed.

    "They are trying to style themselves as defenders of freedom and democracy, but it is a travesty of freedom and democracy," she said.

    "It is all double standards and hypocrisy."

    Earlier the Chinese embassy in Paris hit out at comments by the French Foreign Ministry labelling the Twitter post "shocking". The embassy accused the French Government of trying to stifle freedom of expression.

    https://www.abc. net.au/news/2020-12-02/scott-morrison-post-censored-by-wechat-china/12944796

    Australia V China-eooa2bxvoailr3t-jpg


    Quite ironic considering the Chinese minister used Twitter to publish the fake photo which is a completely censored platform in China.

    How long can the CCP continue to keep 1.4 billion people in a vacuum sealed political ziplock bag firewalled from the evil dangers of international news, opinion and discourse?

    They are sitting on a socio-political time bomb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Headworx View Post
    ^Jesus Christ are you fucking Chinese?
    He is, didn't you know? We have two lovelies here who are constantly criticising the 'west' and defending Chin ad Russia, that'd be WahWah and Loondyke - who are probably one and the same.



    Quote Originally Posted by Looper View Post
    They are sitting on a socio-political time bomb.
    Yup - but when it implodes the word will be awash with tens or hundreds of millions of Chinese seeking a place to go to.

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    ^ a couple of hundred years of vaginal mixing will result in a chocolate coloured people with minimal protruding eyebrows and medium arse

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    I think your obvious anti-ScoMo feelings are detracting from what any leader would have done in the face of Chinese bullying
    I think Baldick has a point.

    Which leaders are asking for apologies ?

    Chinese and muslim

    Siff upper lip and a shrug of shoulders is the answer and you have won

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    Quote Originally Posted by helge View Post
    Stiff upper lip and a shrug of shoulders is the answer
    ...and a long memory...

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    He is, didn't you know?
    I didn't, but that explains having his head totally up his arse and thinking China is a human-rights world model that had nothing to do with CV19

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    Quote Originally Posted by Headworx View Post
    that explains having his head totally up his arse and thinking China is a human-rights world model that had nothing to do with CV19
    Yup . . . and Loondyke is there in support - if they are even two different people

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    Quote Originally Posted by Headworx View Post
    Jesus Christ are you fucking Chinese
    No rebuttal's to my post I see.

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    He is, didn't you know
    In your dreams.

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    who are probably one and the same.
    Oh dear.
    Maybe the mods, I am presuming they have our real names, if not our posting locations in their vaults, can confirm or deny your immature allegation.

    No reply from them to the members of TD indicates, once again, your efforts to denigrate fellow members personally have been thwarted.

    This dish is still simmering.

    Australia V China-oz-ch-2-jpg

    https://twitter.com/HuXijin_GT/statu...75160491458561

    Do you blame the postman when you receive your court summons?

    The world's media focus on the proven human rights atrocity illustrator.

    The corrupt vassal government leader, on his knees to the right, attempts to switch their guilt to another, ensuring they stay in focus.

    Ignoring the human rights of one of it's own citizens, held in a foreign land on a corrupt governments accusations supported by corrupt court official as observed and documented.
    Last edited by OhOh; 03-12-2020 at 01:16 PM.

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    is it a maga cap ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
    is it a maga cap ?
    Whatever it is, it was probably made in China.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
    is it a maga cap ?
    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Whatever it is, it was probably made in China.
    In which sweatshop do your relatives make them?

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