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    Well they didn’t really.
    It was the fear of the commie hordes that won them over.
    Rather be raped by Americans than Siberians and all that.

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    In addition to my last post about POWs :

    Atrocities perpetrated by the Imperial Japanese Navy during the Pacific War have been frequently overlooked when considering Japan’s war crimes. An order issued by the Imperial Navy General Staff to all Imperial Fleets on March 20, 1943 read: “Do not stop at the sinking of enemy ships and cargoes. AT THE SAME TIME CARRY OUT THE COMPLETE DESTRUCTION OF THE CREWS.”

    Actually many Imperial ship and sub Commanders had already been “carrying out” these despicable atrocities since early 1942, however, there were usually no survivors to recount what had happened. A number of such atrocities occurred in the Indian Ocean among British merchant vessels. Historian Mark Felton, among others, has estimated that 20,000 British and Australian sailors were executed at sea during WWII by the Japanese Navy after their ships were sunk.

    In Felton’s book “Slaughter at Sea: The Story of Japan’s Naval War Crimes” (Naval Institute Press, 2008), he has reviewed new document sources and interviews that show the extent of IJN war crimes: “The Japanese Navy sunk merchant ships and Red Cross vessels, then murdered survivors floating in the sea or in lifeboats. Allied air crews were rescued from the ocean and then tortured to death on the decks of ships.” “Naval infantry sailors took civilians out to sea and fed them to sharks. Others [Allied seamen and civilians] were killed by sledgehammer, beheading, hanging, drowning, burning, or crucifixion.”

    Felton noted there was only one documented case of a German U-boat commander held responsible for the murder of survivors. “In the Japanese Imperial Navy it was official orders”, said Felton. American survivors recalled being shot at by IJN pilots after leaving their sinking ships in rafts or while floating. Yet relatively few IJN personnel were ever held accountable in war crimes trials.

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    Much nastiness everywhere.
    Korea was treated badly by Japan so the Korean guards in prison camps treated the prisoners appallingly.
    Last edited by docmartin; 08-08-2020 at 10:13 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    Those bombs ended the war and saved thousands of lives that didn't ask for it to start in the first place.

    The only thing the Japs regret is not kicking it off with a sucker punch, but not winning it.
    The "truth over facts"?
    Documented fact: Truman's concern was not "thousands of lives" but Stalin's advance to Japan as it was agreed upon in July in Potsdam (Truman attended and agreed)...

    Quote Originally Posted by docmartin View Post
    Well they didn’t really.
    It was the fear of the commie hordes that won them over.
    Rather be raped by Americans than Siberians and all that.
    exactly...

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    The USS Missouri on September 2, 1945
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    Japanese Foreign Minister Mamoru Shigemitsu signs the Instrument of Surrender on behalf of the Japanese Government, on board USS Missouri (BB-63), 2 September 1945. Lieutenant General Richard K. Sutherland, U.S. Army, watches from the opposite side of the table. Foreign Ministry representative Toshikazu Kase is assisting Mr. Shigemitsu.



    This is history. It is all that matters...

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Only cretins and soap-dodging lefties perpetuate this myth about the nips being ready to surrender.
    Here they are:
    Adm. William Leahy, Truman’s chief of staff, wrote in his 1950 memoir I Was There that “the use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender.… In being the first to use it, we…adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages. I was not taught to make war in that fashion, and wars cannot be won by destroying women and children.”
    The commanding general of the US Army Air Forces, Henry “Hap” Arnold, gave a strong indication of his views in a public statement 11 days after Hiroshima was attacked. Asked on August 17 by a New York Times reporter whether the atomic bomb caused Japan to surrender, Arnold said that “the Japanese position was hopeless even before the first atomic bomb fell, because the Japanese had lost control of their own air.”
    “It was a mistake.... [the scientists] had this toy and they wanted to try it out, so they dropped it.” —Adm. William “Bull” Halsey
    Fleet Adm. Chester Nimitz, the commander in chief of the Pacific Fleet, stated in a public address at the Washington Monument two months after the bombings that “the atomic bomb played no decisive part, from a purely military standpoint, in the defeat of Japan.”
    Adm. William “Bull” Halsey Jr., the commander of the US Third Fleet, stated publicly in 1946 that “the first atomic bomb was an unnecessary experiment…. It was a mistake to ever drop it…. [The scientists] had this toy, and they wanted to try it out, so they dropped it…”
    Gen. Dwight Eisenhower stated in his memoirs that when notified by Secretary of War Henry Stimson of the decision to use atomic weapons, he “voiced to him my grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary, and secondly because I thought that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives.” He later publicly declared, “It wasn’t necessary to hit them with that awful thing.”
    Even the famous hawk Maj. Gen. Curtis LeMay, the head of the Twenty-First Bomber Command, went public the month after the bombing, telling the press that “the atomic bomb had nothing to do with the end of the war at all.”
    The War Was Won Before Hiroshima—And the Generals Who Dropped the Bomb Knew It | The Nation

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    The war might have been won but the Japanese imbeciles hadn't realised it.
    They started losing the war on December 7th 1941.
    The only way to win was to not start a war.

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