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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    TBH, what isn't disastrous for Italy? What ever wasn't?
    ...agree: and as a huge cultural change from the Fall of Rome days is unlikely, Italy should consider evolving into an enormous museum with beaches, food courts, alpine adventures, and crumbling Tuscan villas for the Brits...governing themselves just isn't in Italian DNA...

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    Why so much speculation on other countries leaving the EU? Some sort of attempt at justifying the UK position?

    Many Italians enjoy the freedom to work in other EU countries and avoid the low wage, high tax problems of working in Italy. It would be a big leap in leaving and I doubt it would solve their problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    Some sort of attempt at justifying the UK position?
    Nail meet hammer!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    Why so much speculation on other countries leaving the EU? Some sort of attempt at justifying the UK position?


    It'll be interesting to see just how big the Italian voting bloc at betty's Seoul university is.

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    OMG!

    Never mind, I'm sure SA will be along shortly to explain clearly and concisely why only fools might ever consider leaving the EU.

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    Not even the Greeks were dumb enough to quit which pretty much shows you just how stupid the lower end English trash truly are.

    This "Italeave" speculation is of course born out of the febrile mytherings of just another marginal septic snake oil merchant peddling his dubious wares in the market place patronised by the stupid, the deluded and the merely frazzled, constituencies so well represented here on TD.

    One would wish the cut 'n paste merchants would be more discerning with their source material.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post


    It'll be interesting to see just how big the Italian voting bloc at betty's Seoul university is.
    That's a capital B to you...

    Italy is split down the middle re-EU at the moment; this is not new, it has been building for a long time. Funnily enough, as the Yermins always worried about, the Italians I've spoken to are more upset by the French posturing of wannabe N than they are of any other group; and, Italians hate the huge farming subsidies that France get and the Italian farmers do not get at the same pro rata level. Also, comments such as the Italians would rather the Yermins look after their money for them are... ridiculous...

    The Yermins soon to take over the EU totally and set all the financial agendas while controlling the ECB, well, let's see how the Italians, French and Spanish deal with that.

    French elections coming up, and the French people want, at the very least, significant reform of the EU - that's not gonna happen with the Yermins 7th Reich stretch starting soon.

    I do not get a flying fuk about whether Italy stay in the EU or leave.
    How do I post these pictures???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    Why so much speculation on other countries leaving the EU? Some sort of attempt at justifying the UK position?
    Certainly seems so . . . 'well, look at everyone wanting to leave, so Brexit is good and right' with the continued jabs at Germany due to feelings f inadequacy of a second rate smelly isle mentality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    What makes you so sure? Honest question.
    Italy has nothing else as it is being propped up and has security being part of the EU - their position is very different from the UK where the whole Brexit issue was political in nature. Political as in politicians benefitting, not the people.

    As Troy quite rightly said:

    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    Many Italians enjoy the freedom to work in other EU countries and avoid the low wage, high tax problems of working in Italy. It would be a big leap in leaving and I doubt it would solve their problems.
    . . . and they are very pro-Europe

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    they are very pro-Europe
    Though talk of Italy quitting is nonsense, I'm not sure about that.

    The EU has become a bit of a scapegoat rather than a saviour in much of southern Europe since the Greek debacle.

    Government rhetoric against migrants and minorities hasn't helped.

    Sound familiar?

    BREXIT is bonkers, but we don't have to pretend everything is rosy in the EU garden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    They are not going to leave. The article is fake news. Look at the source FFS.
    You may find the news section is full of American propaganda links to websites, and all those sites shouldn't be allowed in any section.

    Saying that the Russian sites post some good stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
    does vlad stroke one out when he closes his eyes and dreams of a europe not united ?
    No, he orders his lackeys to get more shit like HoHo's whackjob website out to the plebs that can't see it for what it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    BTW, who cares about "re-paying debts" in this time?

    (Perhaps this country?)
    https://www.usdebtclock.org/
    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Most countries do and constantly highlighting the US
    "Most countries do" in contrast to the "highlighted" one, after all "we are exceptional", aren't we?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    Why so much speculation on other countries leaving the EU? Some sort of attempt at justifying the UK position?

    Many Italians enjoy the freedom to work in other EU countries and avoid the low wage, high tax problems of working in Italy. It would be a big leap in leaving and I doubt it would solve their problems.
    More importantly, who else is going to help when they stick their fucking hand out for yet another donation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    . . . and they are very pro-Europe
    You mean since the Pro EU govt was installed,and is now losing its support again........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    "Most countries do" in contrast to the "highlighted" one, after all "we are exceptional", aren't we?
    No, but some of us make sense . . . you don't

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    Though talk of Italy quitting is nonsense, I'm not sure about that.

    The EU has become a bit of a scapegoat rather than a saviour in much of southern Europe since the Greek debacle.
    It's always been a scapegoat for all ills . . . far more in the UK than elsewhere, to be fair. I'd suggest, and I could be wrong of course, that the Greek debacle isn't really mirrored elsewhere to that extent but it did serve a sign that the the EU will prop up a country if it needs it.



    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    Government rhetoric against migrants and minorities hasn't helped.

    Sound familiar?

    BREXIT is bonkers, but we don't have to pretend everything is rosy in the EU garden.
    True on all points.

    I also know quite a few Germans and Dutch who would be happy to leave the political union and simply go back to an economic one but know that the EU, as it currently is, benefits them more than not

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    Italy's problems are not so much the EU as the Euro

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    the EU will prop up a country if it needs it.
    You really can't be serious, I take it you've followed Greece's existence over the last decade or so?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    Why so much speculation on other countries leaving the EU? Some sort of attempt at justifying the UK position?

    Many Italians enjoy the freedom to work in other EU countries and avoid the low wage, high tax problems of working in Italy. It would be a big leap in leaving and I doubt it would solve their problems.
    Issues would exist with or without the EU for a number of countries within it's familiar circle, yet made much more complex being forced to being dependent upon.
    The only states that have benefited, whatsoever, is the creator of this monstrosity - Germany and France [perhaps the agenda from the start].

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    One would imagine it will need help from the ECB for quite some time as well as other member states.
    I suspect the Italians are well aware of the EU power blocks opinion.

    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Many will also know that regimes like his have a use-by date
    FIFY.

    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    They are not going to leave. The article is fake news. Look at the source FFS.
    Thank you for your thoughtful comments, on the persons opinion. Most enlightening.

    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    despite the articles that OhOh pushes his agenda with
    My agenda?





    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    Exactly.
    Thank you for your thoughtful comments, on the persons opinion. Most enlightening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    Why so much speculation on other countries leaving the EU?
    The article illustrates various EU concerns, German political stagnation, variable virus management differences, closing the borderless EU's national borders and Italy being abandoned.

    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    Not even the Greeks were dumb enough to quit
    The Greek electorate voted to leave. The Greek PM took the EU shilling.

    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    the Greek debacle isn't really mirrored elsewhere to that extent but it did serve a sign that the the EU will prop up a country if it needs it.
    The EU prop was a bailout which went to it's debtors, you can guess who they were. Along with financial management that has destroyed Greece.

    Quote Originally Posted by HuangLao View Post
    The only states that have benefited, whatsoever, is the creator of this monstrosity - Germany and France [perhaps the agenda from the start].
    Exactly, With addition of ameristan.
    A tray full of GOLD is not worth a moment in time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chico View Post
    You really can't be serious, I take it you've followed Greece's existence over the last decade or so?
    So, Greece has ceased to exist . . . you really do amaze me

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    No, but some of us make sense . . . you don't
    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    regime keeps their population in line with endless propaganda
    In fact, you are a small (but true) sample of an "endless propaganda": It has to be trumpeted on every step (post) who is right (not stooopid) and who is not right (very stooopid).

    Of course, it is to be assumed that the ones who read your propaganda do not have their own brain to recognize who is stooopid and who not.

    There was somebody who said very long time ago: What you are trying to say about others, says something about yourself...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    Of course, it is to be assumed that the ones who read your propaganda do not have their own brain to recognize who is stooopid and who not.
    Are you being dense again? You do realise that the propaganda thread is elsewhere . . . you don't? No surprise.

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    I don't know how countries like Italy and Greece ever got in, they are mostly black market economies who don't pay taxes and historically expect Europe to pick up the slack.

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