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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    Wondering how long would it take after such blow - and after the last container vessel arrival - that the Yanks would reach a state of famine...
    Wonder no more as China is a net importer of food, the US isn't. In other words, to make it easy for you to understand:

    The USA is food self-sufficient, China isn't






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    China is a nation of peasants battery farmed into coolie sweatshops for the West. They're a convenience and make the West's corporate blocs richer and a few chink middlemen too.

    The next virus will slaughter the little fuckers even quicker than this one in Wuhan, an epidemic that was merely a dry run for the next.

    The thing is, we have learned - at the first sign of an outbreak, all air travel must cease for one month.

    Contain it at source and let the bastards fester in their savage eating habits, let them stew in their own pangolin/bat fricassee.

    Those fuckers lied and tried to conceal their fucking plague and now thousands of civilised human beings are suffering because of it.

    Fuck 'em.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    after the last container vessel
    Saw that a few container ship crew members have been diagnosed with the virus. Maersk...

    Maersk crew hospitalized in China with suspected coronavirus - FreightWaves

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Wonder no more as China is a net importer of food, the US isn't. In other words, to make it easy for you to understand: The USA is food self-sufficient, China isn't
    Importing from many countries in exchange for goods it creates. USA is not self-sufficient in food, as it requires foreign sourced oil to power it's mechanised equipment. Without that, not enough can be grown, harvested, processed, packaged, delivered, cooled, cooked ..... In addition to ships, planes, trains and trucks to be built, shipped ..... at a price the consumer is able to afford.

    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    China is a nation of peasants battery farmed into coolie sweatshops for the West. They're a convenience and make the West's corporate blocs richer and a few chink middlemen too.
    China is/has created high, medium and lower level workforce as opposed the "enriching" just the 0.1%. Leaving the 90% surviving on fake promises and credit cards.

    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    an epidemic that was merely a dry run for the next.
    Sounds as you are suggesting that an outside entity released a biological weapon with intent to kill millions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    all air travel must cease for one month.
    All countries can, if they wish, seal their borders. Best ask their leaders what stopped them protecting their countrymen.

    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    their savage eating habits, let them stew in their own pangolin/bat fricassee
    Every country has a few "dishes" foreigners ridicule.

    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    Those fuckers lied and tried to conceal their fucking plague
    Depends on your definition, your sources and personal prejudices. As always.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Importing from many countries in exchange for goods it creates. USA is not self-sufficient in food, as it requires foreign sourced oil to power it's mechanised equipment.
    The US is an oil exporter in 2020. First time in more than 75 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    The US is an oil exporter in 2020. First time in more than 75 years.
    The US can be a net exporter any time it likes. It's simply a question of economics. If it's cheaper to buy it abroad than drill for it, leave it there.

    HoHo doesn't understand these things. For example:
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    it requires foreign sourced oil to power it's <sic> mechanised equipment
    No it doesn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Depends on your definition, your sources and personal prejudices. As always.
    No it doesn't at all.

    WUHAN pneumonia originated in WUHAN, most probably from these weird little chinkies eating bats.

    As I have repeatedly stated, scientists predicted this "time bomb" back in 2007, after SARS originated in China (Guangdon), probably at another one of these disgusting, virus-infested wild animal markets, and was taken to Hong Kong by some well meaning but infected chinky doctor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    The US is an oil exporter in 2020. First time in more than 75 years.
    The mysteries of global business: Importing (cheaply) in order to export (dearly)...

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    (not sure whether it is true...)
    U.S. Imports from Russia of Crude Oil and Petroleum Products (Thousand Barrels)

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    Climbing US imports of Russian crude residue could complicate Venezuela sanctions
    10 Feb 2020 ... US Gulf Coast refiners have been increasing their imports of a crude oil residue from Russia in response to both sanctions on Venezuelan ...

    The resource cannot be found. crude-residue-could-complicate-venezuela-sanctions

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Depends on your definition, your sources and personal prejudices. As always.
    No, it doesn't and no, it isn't.

    Yours and Klondyke's knee-jerk defence of everything Russia and China is simply childish and ridiculous . . . why do you feel the need to do so? American, Brit Aussie etc... posters here don't do so when their countries or leaders are being criticised. It's called maturity. Maturity of institutions and self-confidence . . . something sorely lacking in totalitarian systems and their followers.

    This constant obfuscation, deflection and tangental manoeuvrings simply show you to be weak . . . like the systems you support

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    No it doesn't at all.

    WUHAN pneumonia originated in WUHAN, most probably from these weird little chinkies eating bats.

    As I have repeatedly stated, scientists predicted this "time bomb" back in 2007, after SARS originated in China (Guangdon), probably at another one of these disgusting, virus-infested wild animal markets, and was taken to Hong Kong by some well meaning but infected chinky doctor.
    Shockingly, China’s Wet Markets are Reopening; Will We Ever Learn?

    Shockingly, China's Wet Markets are Reopening; Will We Ever Learn?

    Nope!

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    No, it doesn't and no, it isn't.

    Yours and Klondyke's knee-jerk defence of everything Russia and China is simply childish and ridiculous . . . why do you feel the need to do so? American, Brit Aussie etc... posters here don't do so when their countries or leaders are being criticised. It's called maturity. Maturity of institutions and self-confidence . . . something sorely lacking in totalitarian systems and their followers.

    This constant obfuscation, deflection and tangental manoeuvrings simply show you to be weak . . . like the systems you support
    How paradoxical ranting on correction of lies and fake news you (and some other) are here disseminating...

    Anyway, anybody can see and consider by himself where is the obsession...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    The resource cannot be found. crude-residue-could-complicate-venezuela-sanctions
    Climbing US imports of Russian crude residue could complicate Venezuela sanctions

    HIGHLIGHTS
    US imports of residuum at six-year highs

    US Gulf refiners importing crude residue due to sanctions, IMO 2020

    Two-thirds of residuum coming from Russia

    Washington — US Gulf Coast refiners have been increasing their imports of a crude oil residue from Russia in response to both sanctions on Venezuelan crude exports and declining prices of high sulfur fuel oil ahead of International Maritime Organization's revamp of marine fuel sulfur regulations.

    The trend could be complicating plans to ramp up pressure on the Maduro regime with additional sanctions on Venezuelan crude flows, analysts said.
    At issue is US imports of residuum, which the US Energy Information Administration defines as a residue from crude oil after distilling off all but the heaviest components, with a boiling range greater than 1,000 degrees Fahrenheit.

    "Residuum is the bottom of the bottom, the thickest of the thick," said Mason Hamilton, a petroleum markets analyst with EIA, who has been tracking the increase in US imports of residuum.

    For its import data, EIA groups residuum into the "unfinished oils" category. The US imported an average of 634,000 b/d of unfinished oils through the first 11 months of 2019, according to EIA, up from 611,000 in all of 2018. US imports of unfinished oils climbed as high as 762,000 b/d in October, the highest monthly average since September 2013, when the US imported 770,000 b/d of unfinished oils.

    Gulf Coast refiners imported over 192,000 b/d of residuum through the first 11 months of 2019, a 75% increase from 2018 and the highest annual average since 2013, when regional refiners imported 207,000 b/d of residuum, EIA data shows. Residuum imports by Gulf Coast refiners climbed as high as 316,000 b/d in August, according to the EIA.

    According to Hamilton, the increase in residuum imports by Gulf Coast refiners is due to both sanctions imposed in January 2019 that prohibited crude and refined product flows between the US and Venezuela, and the lead up to the debut of the IMO regulations, as some refineries looked to counter sinking prices for high sulfur fuel oil.

    Many US refiners have been blending residuum with lighter crudes to compensate for declining imports of heavy crude from Iraq and the complete loss of heavy crude from Venezuela. In November, Gulf Coast refiners imported about 1.35 million b/d of heavy crude, compared with 1.96 million b/d in November 2018 and 2.09 million b/d in November 2017.

    As residuum imports by Gulf Coast refiners have increased, the amount of the crude residue sourced from Russia has increased too.

    According to EIA monthly data, US imports of unfinished oils from Russia averaged 472,000 b/d in November, the most since May 2013, when the same amount of unfinished oils was imported from Russia. Imports of Russian unfinished oils accounted for two-thirds of total unfinished oil imports by the US in November, compared with about one-third of all unfinished oils imports in November 2018, according to EIA.

    https://www.spglobal.com/platts/en/m...uela-sanctions

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    Anyway, anybody can see and consider by himself where is the obsession...
    Clearly with you . . . why would you post a cityscape when the discussion was about modern military, if not to do your usual obfuscation and deflection?

    FoK

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    The US is an oil exporter in 2020. First time in more than 75 years.
    Thank you for your post.

    A source is required in news threads, I have been told.

    Who suggested otherwise? Or are you trying to change the subject.

    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    as it requires foreign sourced oil
    It may well export oil and refined products.

    Unfortunately it also imports crude oil and refined products:

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    U.S. Crude Oil Supply & Disposition

    "U.S. imports of crude oil remained relatively high through 2007 until the economic downturn in 2008–09 led to lower demand for petroleum products. However, since 2010, crude oil imports did not grow along with the U.S. economy because of increasing domestic crude oil production. As a result, by 2019, total U.S. crude oil imports were down to 6.8 million b/d, or about one-third less than 2005 volumes."

    As total U.S. crude oil imports have fallen, imports from Canada have increased - Today in Energy - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

    Or this:

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    As total U.S. crude oil imports have fallen, imports from Canada have increased - Today in Energy - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

    As most are aware since the beginning of 2020 world demand has shrunk somewhat.

    The Saudi plus Russia attempt to bankrupt some suppliers, having an affect on ameristani frackers:

    It's Happening: Oil Producers Are Now Paying Clients As Wyoming Sour Price Turns Negative

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    "The first crude stream to price below zero was Wyoming Asphalt Sour, a dense oil used mostly to produce paving bitumen. Energy trading giant Mercuria bid negative 19 cents per barrel in mid-March for the crude, effectively asking producers to pay for the luxury of getting rid of their output."

    It's Happening: Oil Producers Are Now Paying Clients As Wyoming Sour Price Turns Negative | Zero Hedge


    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    No it doesn't.
    See above ameristani government agencies figures and statements. Or are they fake?

    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    WUHAN pneumonia originated in WUHAN
    An official unbiased source to back up your allegation, is required.

    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    American, Brit Aussie etc... posters here don't do so when their countries or leaders are being criticised. It's called maturity. Maturity of institutions and self-confidence . . .


    I disagree.

    In many of the countries you list there are those that, I suggest are not mature. Many have prejudices as displayed here on TD.
    Last edited by OhOh; 01-04-2020 at 08:03 PM. Reason: Frackers Free Oil added

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    This constant obfuscation, deflection and tangental manoeuvrings simply show you to be weak . . .
    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    obfuscation and deflection?
    You may wish to count the posts on this thread, only 40 so far, and confirm who is staying on topic and replying to members posts. And who like yourself are guilty of, "obfuscation, deflection and tangential manoeuvrings".

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    Shockingly, China’s Wet Markets are Reopening; Will We Ever Learn?

    Shockingly, China's Wet Markets are Reopening; Will We Ever Learn?

    Nope!
    The wet markets around here never closed. People got to eat and that's where most buy their staples, meat and vege,

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    poultry fish etc.
    I think the ones that closed were the ones that sold live animals, particularly wildlife, but haven't seen those around here for years. They haven't even killed chickens onsite for a couple of years. At least when they did you could pick your live chicken and observe the conditions it was slaughtered under. (extrememly unhygenic)
    At the seafood section of the biggest wet market around here though they're still doing shit like this. Remember they still hoick, spit, pick their noses, never wash hands or cover their mouth when coughing or sneezing.

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    I think the problem is not across wet markets but those selling wildlife that do not meet one another in their natural environments, kept and slaughtered under stuffy, cramped and unhygienic conditions that allow all sorts of things to fester. And as you say the humans could do with an occasional rinse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    I disagree.
    Then you haven't been paying attention.

    Just out of curiosity, have you lived or worked in China or another communist country? I have. Both. We should compare notes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Then you haven't been paying attention.
    It wouldn't be the first time. Definitely one of TD's biggest wack jobs.

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    ^Nah, the pendulum should swing all the way to the other side, otherwise all we'd hear is the same old mainstream crap.

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    ^

    I will take a pass. I do not look good in a tinfoil hat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmart View Post
    ^Nah, the pendulum should swing all the way to the other side, otherwise all we'd hear is the same old mainstream crap.
    By definition the 'new' side would be mainstream . . .

    Fact is -
    most Americans, and everyone else on here, criticise the US and/or its leadership for its many faults
    most Brits, and everyone else on here, criticise the UK and/or its leadership for its many faults
    most Aussies, and everyone else on here, criticise Aus and/or its leadership for its many faults

    Not everyone here hears/reads 'mainstream' news alone - and accepting 'alternative facts' simply because they're 'alternative' doesn't make them facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    It may well export oil and refined products.

    Unfortunately it also imports crude oil and refined products:
    If I post it again, will you read slowly?

    The US can be a net exporter any time it likes. It's simply a question of economics. If it's cheaper to buy it abroad than drill for it, leave it there.
    It's why Saudi is flooding the market with oil. It just isn't worth spending $6 a barrel to dig it up in the US, so producers are going out of business and others are taking their market share.

    The oil isn't going anywhere. Once the price rises again, the beancounters will decide if it is worth reactivating wells.

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    (Negative prices? anybody heard about?)

    The Idea of Negative Oil Prices Is More Realistic Than You Think


    19 March 2020, 23:50 GMT+7

    Traders say prices in some parts of U.S. may drop below zero
    It has happened at least once before, after the last downturn

    How bad is too bad for oil markets? As prices barrel toward the lowest levels since the start of the century, negative prices have re-entered the realm of possibility.

    U.S. oil futures just hit an 18-year low as an oil-price war between Saudi Arabia and Russia rages on, and that has a few traders and analysts wondering whether physical crude prices -- in at least some parts of Canada and the shale patch -- could actually drop below zero. It’s a rare but not impossible feat.

    Case in point: In the aftermath of the last major downturn four years ago, a North Dakota sour crude was briefly priced at negative 50 cents a barrel before being revised to a mere $1.50.

    Mizuho’s Paul Sankey warned of negative crude prices in a note, pointing out that the capacity to hold barrels of U.S. oil in tanks and caverns could max out by the middle of the year. With nowhere to store, barrels could get backed up across the entire supply chain, he said.

    It’s not clear exactly how an oil trade would work in a negative price scenario. In U.S. natural gas markets -- which have been plagued by negative prices because of a dearth of pipeline space -- producers have actually paid others to take their product. In electricity markets -- especially in California where power drops below zero on a regular basis because of excess solar -- negative pricing has turned into more of a real-time signal to generators to dial down plants.

    “Anything is possible in commodities,” said Francisco Blanch, head of global commodities and derivatives research at Bank of America. “We know zero is not a lower band -- we learned that with gas.”

    Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

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