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    Dresden 75 years ago

    Dresden: The World War Two bombing 75 years on
    13 February 2020



    he bombing of Dresden created a firestorm that destroyed the centre of the city
    "The firestorm is incredible... Insane fear grips me and from then on I repeat one simple sentence to myself continuously: 'I don't want to burn to death'. I do not know how many people I fell over. I know only one thing: that I must not burn."

    On 13 February 1945, British aircraft launched an attack on the eastern German city of Dresden. In the days that followed, they and their US allies would drop nearly 4,000 tons of bombs in the assault.

    The ensuing firestorm killed 25,000 people, ravaging the city centre, sucking the oxygen from the air and suffocating people trying to escape the flames.

    Dresden was not unique. Allied bombers killed tens of thousands and destroyed large areas with attacks on Cologne, Hamburg and Berlin, and the Japanese cities of Tokyo, Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

    Hamburg firestorm: 'A different level of devastation'
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    But the bombing has become one of the most controversial Allied acts of World War Two. Some have questioned the military value of Dresden. Even British Prime Minister Winston Churchill expressed doubts immediately after the attack.

    "It seems to me that the moment has come when the question of bombing of German cities simply for the sake of increasing the terror, though under other pretexts, should be reviewed," he wrote in a memo.

    "The destruction of Dresden remains a serious query against the conduct of Allied bombing."

    This story contains graphic images.

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    Dresden: The World War Two bombing 75 years on - BBC News

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    There was no military value in Dresden, it was terrorism to dishearten the German populace from continuing the war.

    "Slaughterhouse Five". Kurt Vonnegut's true account of being a POW in Dresden is a harrowing story of the carnage inflicted.

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    ^ Live by the sword, die by the sword. I am sure the people of London were pretty OK with it.

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    ^Yes, true enough. A bit of a history of the use of "strategic target" bombing, including deliberately targeting civilians here: Constitutional Rights Foundation

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    ^ Interesting read. Thanks.

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    Definitely a war crime, but the victors are judge, jury and executioners.

    Had Germany taken the same measures . . . a ghastly thought

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post

    Had Germany taken the same measures . . . a ghastly thought
    The Germans used terror bombing all the time - go read the link for a brief history of it.

    The only take on your comment is that the Germans deserve our sympathy because they were not very good at it, while the allies were?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmart View Post
    There was no military value in Dresden, it was terrorism to dishearten the German populace from continuing the war.

    "Slaughterhouse Five". Kurt Vonnegut's true account of being a POW in Dresden is a harrowing story of the carnage inflicted.
    3 months before end of the war. And the end was clear to everybody.

    In one day over 700 ton of explosives brought with over 700 aircrafts. The resulting fires almost equivalent to Hiroshima, Nagasaki.

    And the further days repeating up to the last weeks.

    Similarly, other localities with important industries known that they will be belonging to the Eastern Block - not under such fire the months in 1944...

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    Quote Originally Posted by nidhogg View Post
    The Germans used terror bombing all the time - go read the link for a brief history of it.
    No need to, I'm quite aware of the atrocities



    Quote Originally Posted by nidhogg View Post
    The only take on your comment is that the Germans deserve our sympathy because they were not very good at it, while the allies were?
    Your take is incredibly off course. The kill Brits at all costs was exemplified at Dunkirk, and they were soldiers. The total destruction of places like Dresden, containing mostly civilians and of little military importance, was a war crime . . . nothing to do with who was 'better' at it . . . and as for 'the Germans deserved it' - again they were civilians, but then the Brits have form in that area

    I'm guessing you think that the hundreds of thousands of Japanese civilians deserved being nuked as well

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    Fuck the nips and the squareheads, as nations they all fell for the fatherland gobshite, tried to take over the world and got whacked for it.

    If you want sympathy, you'll find it between Shit and Syphilis in the dictionary.

    These fucking twats whinging about war crimes when the Hun exterminated millions of civilians out of pure hatred, and the nips tortured and starved their way across Asia... honestly, just go and fuck yourselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Definitely a war crime, but the victors are judge, jury and executioners.

    Had Germany taken the same measures . . . a ghastly thought

    ....and the historic perspectives would've been written in a highly manipulative manner, per usual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    the Hun exterminated millions of civilians out of pure hatred
    And there's me thinking you a clever man.

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    While the Germans were bombing London using planes and missles what strategic military sites were they targeting?

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    but then the Brits have form in that area
    I'm guessing you think that the hundreds of thousands of Japanese civilians deserved being nuked as well
    PH across a few threads now seem to have trouble controlling your hate for Brits, Frenchie DNA i suppose. Course France has never acted out atrocities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aging one View Post
    While the Germans were bombing London using planes and missles what strategic military sites were they targeting?
    None. It was all about wearing down the support of the people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NamPikToot View Post
    PH across a few threads now seem to have trouble controlling your hate for Brits
    Not sure what gives you that idea, I certainly don't hate the 'Brits' - or have you not read correctly . . . must be your POM dna

    Quote Originally Posted by NamPikToot View Post
    Course France has never acted out atrocities.
    Ans just like that . . . whoosh . . . the discussion goes over your head

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    No need to, I'm quite aware of the atrocities





    Your take is incredibly off course. The kill Brits at all costs was exemplified at Dunkirk, and they were soldiers. The total destruction of places like Dresden, containing mostly civilians and of little military importance, was a war crime . . . nothing to do with who was 'better' at it . . . and as for 'the Germans deserved it' - again they were civilians, but then the Brits have form in that area

    I'm guessing you think that the hundreds of thousands of Japanese civilians deserved being nuked as well
    Fit the London blitz into that scenario.

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    Historically, fanciful apologists don't seem to get it - whatsoever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    And there's me thinking you a clever man.
    Oh are you one of these people that thinks six million jews and assorted gays and gypsies deserved to be gassed?

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    "Slaughterhouse Five". Kurt Vonnegut's true account of being a POW in Dresden is a harrowing story of the carnage inflicted.[/QUOTE]
    There's a not so well known film of that book
    Not too bad
    https://www.magnetdl.com/file/348974...080p-yts-yify/

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Oh are you one of these people that thinks six million jews and assorted gays and gypsies deserved to be gassed?
    Might have nipped today's gay pandemic in the bud..
    I'm not supporting ,just sayimg

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Oh are you one of these people that thinks six million jews and assorted gays and gypsies deserved to be gassed?
    You can appear to be really stupid at times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nidhogg View Post
    Fit the London blitz into that scenario.
    Yup . . . Exactly. Now you've got it

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    Did the German citizens take a poll on who to gas? Or did the regime just gas the Pols? I heard they made nice lampshades.

    WTF

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