Thread: Dresden 75 years ago

Originally Posted by kmart

There was no military value in Dresden, it was terrorism to dishearten the German populace from continuing the war.

I think the fire bombing of Tokyo, et al, then falls into the same category?

^ Definitely

Originally Posted by VocalNeal

I think the fire bombing of Tokyo, et al, then falls into the same category?

The fire bombing of Tokyo killed a lot more people than the A-bombs on Nagasaki and Hiroshima combined. The Pacific campaign was won already when the nukes were dropped.

In the summer of 1945, Japan’s war leaders knew they were not going to win World War II.
Opposing camps of historians generally agree on that, but little else when it comes to debating Japan’s willingness to surrender.
In the United States, generations were taught that Japan would never have surrendered so quickly without use of the atomic bomb and that victory would have required a bloody invasion of the Japanese mainland, costing hundreds of thousands of lives.
Japanese students were generally taught a very different narrative: that Japan already had been defeated and dropping the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki three days apart was a geopolitical calculation to keep the Soviet Union at bay.

Would Japan have surrendered without the atomic bombings? - WWII - Victory in Japan - Stripes

Indeed, and one of the reasons why I still harbour a prejudice against the little hypocritical weirdo fuckers.

The bastards never properly atoned for their barbaric savagery inflicted upon their luckless victims slaughtered and tortured in the course of their imperial wars against China and the allies.

Their history education is a farce and an insult to the memory of those who fought the little bastards and rightly turned the shits into burnt charcoal.

Anyone who observed the antics of the Nips at Okinawa knew that an invasion of the main islands would have involved a slaughter of biblical proportions in which the Allied losses would have been totally unacceptable. The Atomic bombs were the only way. Sure, they could have continued to blockade them and starved the bastards to death but even then the dirty fuckers would have resorted to cannibalism to survive another day to kill.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

Their history education is a farce

I went to the Jeath War Museum, cemetery, Death Railway with a Japanese girlfriend of the time and am not sure who was more shocked: me at the fact she was completely unaware of the history to that point; or her for suddenly becoming aware of it.

The fire bombing of Dresden and other cities was a measured response against a nation state that spawned and nourished a bestial regime which was directly responsible for the deaths of over 20 million people.

The Krauts had it coming and it was Total War.

This whining and wringing of hands over civilian German casualties is really quite contemptible and not a little absurd when one considers the degree of deliberate slaughter waged by the Germans against civilians and military personnel alike.

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

You can appear to be really stupid at times.

Well with you there is never any illusion.

Death is death by whatever means ,quote from Fritz Haber the man how help invent Zyklon A which was later renamed Zyklon B.
He was Jewish and died in 1933 probably just as well he never knew what he helped to create was used for.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Fuck the nips and the squareheads, as nations they all fell for the fatherland gobshite, tried to take over the world and got whacked for it.

If you want sympathy, you'll find it between Shit and Syphilis in the dictionary.

These fucking twats whinging about war crimes when the Hun exterminated millions of civilians out of pure hatred, and the nips tortured and starved their way across Asia... honestly, just go and fuck yourselves.

No, you go and fuck yourself.
Two wrongs make a right?
They killed millions so we can kill millions too.
Makes it all Even Stevens.
As others have mentioned, to the Victor the Spoils - no war crimes ever committed by the winners.
Get fucked.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

Their history education is a farce and an insult to the memory of those who fought the little bastards and rightly turned the shits into burnt charcoal.

Anyone who observed the antics of the Nips at Okinawa knew that an invasion of the main islands would have involved a slaughter of biblical proportions in which the Allied losses would have been totally unacceptable. The Atomic bombs were the only way.

I have no love lost for what the Japs did in WWII, had an uncle who spent time in one if their camps and it affected his health and mental state until he died, but you sausages do spout bullshit quite often. The A Bombs were not necessary, the Yanks rushed to use them on a "Legitimate" target to test their live effect before the opportunity passed.

Regards Desden, i feel that it was overkill, pardon the pun.

In both cases the civilians were just thrown into a meat grinder.

Have to say all this pales into insignificance to what Stalin did and they are still arguing the numbers in millions.

One of those rare occasions when Harry and I agree.

.....The leopard shall lie down with the young goat....

Side fact. The Dresdner Frauenkirche



was destroyed in that bombing. The pilots of the attack were very active in collecting money to rebuild it.

There's a lot of hate there.

If you want to lessen it, have a read about how many German civilian women and children were raped by the Russian soldiers when they came through. And how much trouble Muslim people are giving Germans right now.

Originally Posted by Lostandfound

Brave RAF crews risking their lives

Quite right . . . now if there had been any real anti-aircraft defences - whew.

Originally Posted by Lostandfound

Every last one of the fuckers was a legitimate target for death, injury and being melted into candle wax until they surrendered.

So, that would apply to Brits as well then . . .

Originally Posted by Lostandfound

Those bastards deprived my parents of a proper childhood

Your parents only lived five years? My condolences.

Originally Posted by Lostandfound

Fuck every last one of the nazi flag waving coonts

Yes, I've seen infants waving the Nazi flag, babies even . . . but why would you want to fuck infants?

Originally Posted by Lostandfound

Again

Not too bright on your history there, are you.

Luckily Britain never caused grief nor harm to anyone, you must be proud

Originally Posted by Latindancer

And how much trouble Muslim people are giving Germans right now.

Thread: Dresden 75 years ago

And what the fuck has that got to do with anything.

Originally Posted by Latindancer

There's a lot of hate there.

If you want to lessen it, have a read about how many German civilian women and children were raped by the Russian soldiers when they came through.

That was payback for what the Germans did to them when they had the upper hand. Tough shit.

Keep in mind the USA was fighting WW2 on two fronts the European theater, and the Pacific theater. Truman just got damned tired of the Japanese refusal to surrender and dropped the big one. Few days later the war was over.

Originally Posted by aging one

Truman just got damned tired of the Japanese refusal to surrender and dropped the big one. Few days later the war was over.

You have got an easy explanation taken over from school books, that was not so simple. (we had it here already once)

The timing for the bombs has something to do with planned invasion of Russians to Japan as it was agreed by allies in Teheran 1943, confirmed in Yalta 1945 and again re-confirmed by Stalin in Potsdam July 1945.

And Stalin kept his promise to invade Japan 3 months after defeat of Germany, exactly on Aug 9, 1945, check the dates of the bombs.

Or do you truly think that Truman wanted to have Stalin getting into Japan?

Looks like Libya, after the yanks finished with it.

Originally Posted by Latindancer

how many German civilian women and children were raped by the Russian soldiers when they came through

This often repeated cliche about Russian raping - and no mentioning of rapes performed by other victorious armies - are quite difficult to perceive when knowing about the enormous (official) figures of present sexual conducts in modern armies when thousands cases are every year documented (beside many undocumented) - and that are rapes of friendly pals in peaceful conditions at home or foreign bases. Just few clips in google...

Should we really believe that the same ethnics committing nowadays such sexual atrocities did not have that sexual lust 75 years ago when anything was allowed? Just the Russians...

BTW, there are many witnessed cases when a commanding officer shot blank such rapist - in the Russian army. Any such cases in other army?

To the victors, the spoiled.

Once Dresden can be justified then it is hard to put anything out of bounds.