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    History is always written by the victors. The victors are always the bankers and industrialists that play both sides of any war;-

    The Nazis actually won WWII. -Just not the German ones. The robber barons that made billions from armament sales and loans from WWI bankrupted Germany, and then financed and supported Hitler's rise to power, and indeed utilized slave labour in the concentration camps for their own businesses. https://www.gabyweber.com/dwnld/arti...andard_oil.pdf
    (Henry Ford was Hitler's idol. He had a big portrait of him in his office). The German trucks and armored vehicles running over it's Eastern border into Czech, Austria and Poland had Ford engines under the hoods. Ford actually sued the US Govt later for war reparations for bombing some of it's German assets later on.
    In 1938, long after the vicious character of Hitler’s government had become clear, Ford accepted the Grand Cross of the German Eagle, the Nazi regime’s highest honor for foreigners.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kmart View Post
    There was no military value in Dresden, it was terrorism to dishearten the German populace from continuing the war.
    I think the fire bombing of Tokyo, et al, then falls into the same category?
    Better to think inside the pub, than outside the box?
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    Upto until the 70's Australians referred to themselves as Pom's.
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    Just asking the supposed teacher if he is a teacher,as anything more than ten syllables and he's fucked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VocalNeal View Post
    I think the fire bombing of Tokyo, et al, then falls into the same category?
    The fire bombing of Tokyo killed a lot more people than the A-bombs on Nagasaki and Hiroshima combined. The Pacific campaign was won already when the nukes were dropped.
    In the summer of 1945, Japan’s war leaders knew they were not going to win World War II.
    Opposing camps of historians generally agree on that, but little else when it comes to debating Japan’s willingness to surrender.
    In the United States, generations were taught that Japan would never have surrendered so quickly without use of the atomic bomb and that victory would have required a bloody invasion of the Japanese mainland, costing hundreds of thousands of lives.
    Japanese students were generally taught a very different narrative: that Japan already had been defeated and dropping the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki three days apart was a geopolitical calculation to keep the Soviet Union at bay.
    Would Japan have surrendered without the atomic bombings? - WWII - Victory in Japan - Stripes

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    Indeed, and one of the reasons why I still harbour a prejudice against the little hypocritical weirdo fuckers.

    The bastards never properly atoned for their barbaric savagery inflicted upon their luckless victims slaughtered and tortured in the course of their imperial wars against China and the allies.

    Their history education is a farce and an insult to the memory of those who fought the little bastards and rightly turned the shits into burnt charcoal.

    Anyone who observed the antics of the Nips at Okinawa knew that an invasion of the main islands would have involved a slaughter of biblical proportions in which the Allied losses would have been totally unacceptable. The Atomic bombs were the only way. Sure, they could have continued to blockade them and starved the bastards to death but even then the dirty fuckers would have resorted to cannibalism to survive another day to kill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum
    Their history education is a farce
    I went to the Jeath War Museum, cemetery, Death Railway with a Japanese girlfriend of the time and am not sure who was more shocked: me at the fact she was completely unaware of the history to that point; or her for suddenly becoming aware of it.

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    The fire bombing of Dresden and other cities was a measured response against a nation state that spawned and nourished a bestial regime which was directly responsible for the deaths of over 20 million people.

    The Krauts had it coming and it was Total War.

    This whining and wringing of hands over civilian German casualties is really quite contemptible and not a little absurd when one considers the degree of deliberate slaughter waged by the Germans against civilians and military personnel alike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    You can appear to be really stupid at times.
    Well with you there is never any illusion.

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    Death is death by whatever means ,quote from Fritz Haber the man how help invent Zyklon A which was later renamed Zyklon B.
    He was Jewish and died in 1933 probably just as well he never knew what he helped to create was used for.
    Fascists dress in black and go around telling people what to do, whereas priests... more drink!

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Fuck the nips and the squareheads, as nations they all fell for the fatherland gobshite, tried to take over the world and got whacked for it.

    If you want sympathy, you'll find it between Shit and Syphilis in the dictionary.

    These fucking twats whinging about war crimes when the Hun exterminated millions of civilians out of pure hatred, and the nips tortured and starved their way across Asia... honestly, just go and fuck yourselves.
    No, you go and fuck yourself.
    Two wrongs make a right?
    They killed millions so we can kill millions too.
    Makes it all Even Stevens.
    As others have mentioned, to the Victor the Spoils - no war crimes ever committed by the winners.
    Get fucked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    Their history education is a farce and an insult to the memory of those who fought the little bastards and rightly turned the shits into burnt charcoal.

    Anyone who observed the antics of the Nips at Okinawa knew that an invasion of the main islands would have involved a slaughter of biblical proportions in which the Allied losses would have been totally unacceptable. The Atomic bombs were the only way.
    I have no love lost for what the Japs did in WWII, had an uncle who spent time in one if their camps and it affected his health and mental state until he died, but you sausages do spout bullshit quite often. The A Bombs were not necessary, the Yanks rushed to use them on a "Legitimate" target to test their live effect before the opportunity passed.

    Regards Desden, i feel that it was overkill, pardon the pun.

    In both cases the civilians were just thrown into a meat grinder.

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    Have to say all this pales into insignificance to what Stalin did and they are still arguing the numbers in millions.

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    One of those rare occasions when Harry and I agree.

    .....The leopard shall lie down with the young goat....

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    Side fact. The Dresdner Frauenkirche



    was destroyed in that bombing. The pilots of the attack were very active in collecting money to rebuild it.
    "don't attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by incompetence"

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    Brave RAF crews risking their lives to have their courage and sacrifice denigrated to suit the sensibilities of snowflake tossers. The Germans bombed first. We bombed last. Fuck 'em. The coonts reaped what they sowed. Every last one of the fuckers was a legitimate target for death, injury and being melted into candle wax until they surrendered.

    Those bastards deprived my parents of a proper childhood and left a grandfather in pain for the rest of his life. Did I say fuck the Germans? Yes. Fuck every last one of the nazi flag waving coonts. Burn. Burn. Burn all of them until they run up the white flag.

    All very sad. It's why war should be the last resort - and in 1939 indeed it had been for every nation in Europe, except the fucking Germans. Again.

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    There's a lot of hate there.

    If you want to lessen it, have a read about how many German civilian women and children were raped by the Russian soldiers when they came through. And how much trouble Muslim people are giving Germans right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lostandfound View Post
    Brave RAF crews risking their lives
    Quite right . . . now if there had been any real anti-aircraft defences - whew.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lostandfound View Post
    Every last one of the fuckers was a legitimate target for death, injury and being melted into candle wax until they surrendered.
    So, that would apply to Brits as well then . . .



    Quote Originally Posted by Lostandfound View Post
    Those bastards deprived my parents of a proper childhood
    Your parents only lived five years? My condolences.



    Quote Originally Posted by Lostandfound View Post
    Fuck every last one of the nazi flag waving coonts
    Yes, I've seen infants waving the Nazi flag, babies even . . . but why would you want to fuck infants?



    Quote Originally Posted by Lostandfound View Post
    Again
    Not too bright on your history there, are you.

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    Upto until the 70's Australians referred to themselves as Pom's.
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    Just asking the supposed teacher if he is a teacher,as anything more than ten syllables and he's fucked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer
    And how much trouble Muslim people are giving Germans right now.
    And what the fuck has that got to do with anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    There's a lot of hate there.

    If you want to lessen it, have a read about how many German civilian women and children were raped by the Russian soldiers when they came through.
    That was payback for what the Germans did to them when they had the upper hand. Tough shit.

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    Keep in mind the USA was fighting WW2 on two fronts the European theater, and the Pacific theater. Truman just got damned tired of the Japanese refusal to surrender and dropped the big one. Few days later the war was over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aging one View Post
    Truman just got damned tired of the Japanese refusal to surrender and dropped the big one. Few days later the war was over.
    You have got an easy explanation taken over from school books, that was not so simple. (we had it here already once)

    The timing for the bombs has something to do with planned invasion of Russians to Japan as it was agreed by allies in Teheran 1943, confirmed in Yalta 1945 and again re-confirmed by Stalin in Potsdam July 1945.

    And Stalin kept his promise to invade Japan 3 months after defeat of Germany, exactly on Aug 9, 1945, check the dates of the bombs.

    Or do you truly think that Truman wanted to have Stalin getting into Japan?

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    Looks like Libya, after the yanks finished with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    how many German civilian women and children were raped by the Russian soldiers when they came through
    This often repeated cliche about Russian raping - and no mentioning of rapes performed by other victorious armies - are quite difficult to perceive when knowing about the enormous (official) figures of present sexual conducts in modern armies when thousands cases are every year documented (beside many undocumented) - and that are rapes of friendly pals in peaceful conditions at home or foreign bases. Just few clips in google...

    Should we really believe that the same ethnics committing nowadays such sexual atrocities did not have that sexual lust 75 years ago when anything was allowed? Just the Russians...

    BTW, there are many witnessed cases when a commanding officer shot blank such rapist - in the Russian army. Any such cases in other army?

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    To the victors, the spoiled.

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    Once Dresden can be justified then it is hard to put anything out of bounds.

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