Thread: US carries out ‘precision defensive strikes’ in Iraq and Syria against Iranian-backed

Originally Posted by OhOh

I will throw in three points, for discussion:

Sorry, but that's three too many.

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Sorry, but that's three too many.

Discussion, opinions are what the forum is for, not you feeble excuses of not being able to adding anything further.

Originally Posted by aging one

You ought to marry Klondyke. Two peas in a pod..

Spot on.

Originally Posted by OhOh

Discussion, opinions are what the forum is for, not you feeble excuses of not being able to adding anything further.

O.K. let me add something:

Hassan Rouhani

"The Islamic Republic of Iran deeply regrets this disastrous mistake"

"Great tragedy and an unexcusable mistake"

Un-excusable means your 3 opinions/point or 3 too many.


There is no need for your shit smearing communist lies. Even Rouhani understood that
I believe there where also 40 Iranian students on board who studied abroad.

R.I.P.

Originally Posted by OhOh

"the three-year-old airliner, which had its last scheduled maintenance on Monday, encountered a technical problem shortly after take-off and started to head toward a nearby airport before it crashed."

"A Canadian security source told Reuters there was evidence one of the engines had overheated."

Early speculation. The fact is the plane was shot down by Iran.

Looking at the direction and height profiles of this particular flight over the past 2+ months, supplied by By Ian Petchenik
2020-01-08, the plane was not going anywhere unusual.

Ukrainian flight PS752 crashes shortly after take off from Tehran | Flightradar24 Blog

Plan view:



Elevation view;

‘I wish I was dead’: Senior IRGC commander accepts full responsibility for downing Ukrainian plane, apologizes to nation



Snippet;

"According to an early assessment, the Ukrainian plane was erroneously identified as an incoming cruise missile, which resulted in the tragedy."

‘I wish I was dead’: Senior IRGC commander accepts responsibility for downing Ukrainian jet, says it was mistaken for missile — RT World News

One wonders how an object in the sky is "identified" from presumably radar data as a plane or a cruise missile?

Surely the plane has been watched since it took off and similarly a cruise missile would have been watched for some time.

Or are "cloaking" devices available to alter the data ....

Originally Posted by OhOh

One can only hope that the accusers will publish their evidence, agree to be cross examined

I'm up for it. Shall we start.

Just shows how primitive Iranian command and control is.

Originally Posted by bsnub

Just shows how primitive Iranian command and control is.

Not so sophisticated developed like 32 years ago the USS Vincennes with the modern recognizing technology when they shot down the Iran Air Flight 655.
Iran Air Flight 655 - Wikipedia

And they also had regretted very much the shot, or did I get it wrong?

Originally Posted by Klondyke

32 years ago

Do you have a 32 year old computer? GTFO with your commie bullshit.

Originally Posted by OhOh

Iran admits shooting down Ukrainian flight over Tehran in 'unintentional' missile launch

11 Jan, 2020 04:02

blah blah blah blah blah blah blah


stop being mean to me

Just to demonstrate that you could have made the same post with just a few lines.

Originally Posted by OhOh

You may wish to review my post

08-01-2020, 01:24 PM



A snippet ot two;

"the three-year-old airliner, which had its last scheduled maintenance on Monday, encountered a technical problem shortly after take-off and started to head toward a nearby airport before it crashed."

The reason it "diverted" was because it had just been hit by a fucking missile, you idiot.

Originally Posted by aging one (US carries out ‘precision defensive strikes’ in Iraq and Syria against Iranian-backed)
You ought to marry Klondyke. Two peas in a pod..

Klondyke follows him around trying to copy him.

I think Klondyke is his idiot love child.

Originally Posted by OhOh

Looking at the direction and height profiles of this particular flight over the past 2+ months, supplied by By Ian Petchenik
2020-01-08, the plane was not going anywhere unusual.

We know that you fucking chump. The Iranians have admitted they shot it down by mistake. Can't you read?

Originally Posted by OhOh

‘I wish I was dead’: Senior IRGC commander accepts full responsibility for downing Ukrainian plane, apologizes to nation



Snippet;

"According to an early assessment, the Ukrainian plane was erroneously identified as an incoming cruise missile, which resulted in the tragedy."

‘I wish I was dead’: Senior IRGC commander accepts responsibility for downing Ukrainian jet, says it was mistaken for missile — RT World News

One wonders how an object in the sky is "identified" from presumably radar data as a plane or a cruise missile?

Surely the plane has been watched since it took off and similarly a cruise missile would have been watched for some time.

Or are "cloaking" devices available to alter the data ....

Oh here we fucking go...

More gibberish.

Let me give you a more likely scenario:

The Iranians are inept tub thumpers, and having launched some missiles at the US (probably unwillingly), they were shitting themselves at the possibility of a proper airstrike coming their way, and panicked.

I wish I was dead’: Senior IRGC commander accepts full responsibility

I bet he fucking does knowing what's coming his way...

Originally Posted by bsnub

GTFO with your commie bullshit.

Commie me here and commie me there. You are on the high frequency for a guy who elected an idiot for president.

You should tone it down and acknowledge the fact, that Iranians are more civilised than you lot.

Scary

Originally Posted by bsnub

Do you have a 32 year old computer? GTFO with your commie bullshit.

Why commie BS? You surely could do better, couldn't you?

In 1996, the governments of the United States and Iran reached a settlement at the International Court of Justice which included the statement "...the United States recognized the aerial incident of 3 July 1988 as a terrible human tragedy and expressed deep regret over the loss of lives caused by the incident..."[12] As part of the settlement, even though the U.S. government did not admit legal liability or formally apologize to Iran, it still agreed to pay US$61.8 million on an ex gratia basis in compensation to the families of the Iranian victims.[13] The shootdown was the deadliest aviation disaster involving an Airbus A300.[14][15][16]

After 8 years "recognized"... However, "did not admit legal liability or formally apologize"...

Why to apologize? A famous quite:

George H. W. Bush, the vice president of the United States at the time commented on a separate occasion, speaking to a group of Republican ethnic leaders (7 August 1988): "I will never apologize for the United States – I don't care what the facts are... I'm not an apologize-for-America kind of guy." The quote, although unrelated to the downing of the Iranian air liner and not in any official capacity, has been attributed as such.[60][61][62]

Bush used the phrase frequently[63] during the 1988 campaign and promised to "never apologize for the United States" months prior to the July 1988 shoot-down[64] and as early as January 1988.[65][66]

Iran Air Flight 655 - Wikipedia

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Klondyke follows him around trying to copy him.

I think Klondyke is his idiot love child.

Run out of your usual "polite" word-stock? Cannot do better?

Originally Posted by Klondyke

After 8 years "recognized"... However, "did not admit legal liability or formally apologize"...

Exceptionalism is the perception or belief that a species, country, society, institution, movement, individual, or time period is "exceptional" (i.e., unusual or extraordinary). The term carries the implication, whether or not specified, that the referent is superior in some way.

Soleimani Spun a Web of Iranian Influence That Will Long Outlive Him


"Before his death last Thursday evening, Qasem Soleimani was the most feared man in the Middle East. Iraqi, Lebanese, Syrian, Gulf Arab, and even Israeli leaders spoke of him with a combination of terror and respect unlike that shown to any other figure in recent memory. Iranians treated him with a degree of pride, even reverence, that was exceptional for a leader of the increasingly unpopular regime.

Soleimani deserved all of it. For 22 years he led the al-Quds Force, an elite unit of Iran’s Revolutionary Guard Corps responsible for exporting the Iranian revolution and securing Iran’s interests across the Middle East. Soleimani himself was simultaneously Iran’s chief military commander, chief diplomat, and chief aid administrator for the entire region. He held powers and responsibilities more like a Roman pro-consul than anything comparable in the American system.

He possessed a unique set of skills and relationships that were critical to Iran’s many successes over the past two decades. He was highly intelligent, decisive, and pragmatic. Those who worked with him—willingly or not—all noted his soft-spoken demeanor, his coolness under pressure, his quiet authority, and his ability to know how to make people offers they could not refuse or did not want to.

Because of his longevity, Soleimani had gotten to know—and know extremely well—the leaders and peoples of many countries across the Middle East. Yet few had his ability to read them and understand their ultimate motives, desires, and fears.

More than that, Soleimani came to understand the complex web of relations within and among the elites of these countries. That is far more difficult to do, and it was his ability to manipulate those opaque and tangled skeins that enabled him to consistently shape outcomes to Iran’s advantage. It is a talent that few, if any, Americans—or Israelis or even Arabs—have ever acquired. Soleimani mastered it.

It was Soleimani who effectively saved the Assad regime in Syria after 2012 by pushing Hezbollah to pitch in, building up local militias, then bringing in Afghan and Iraqi fighters, and finally convincing the Russians to intervene.

It was Soleimani who raced to Baghdad with several thousand Quds force advisors in 2014 when ISIS struck in Iraq to organize the defenses of the capital, stiffen the spines of the tottering Iraqi security forces, and convince Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani to call on average Iraqis to aid their military in halting the (flagging) ISIS juggernaut.

It was Soleimani who brought in scores of Hezbollah military trainers to Yemen in 2015, when Emirati and government forces counterattacked and evicted the Iran-backed Houthis from Aden. Their experience, along with new rockets and missiles to threaten the Saudis, stabilized the front.

Under Soleimani’s leadership, the Quds Force devised a number of critical methods and strategies that have served Iran extremely well. They devised a method of building up friendly, indigenous militias and insurgency groups and embedding them within a larger community by providing security, services, goods, and funding to that community—what we now refer to as the “Hezbollah model.”

The Quds Force under Soleimani learned that providing large numbers of rockets and missiles to these groups created a powerful deterrent against attacks on the group itself, and then against Iran. Indeed, one of the most important reasons that Israel never struck the Iranian nuclear program was fear that Hezbollah would react to such a strike by firing at Israel tens of thousands of the rockets and missiles Soleimani had given them, in part for that purpose.

Finally, in the last five years, it was Soleimani who figured out how Iran could employ its different clients and conflicts in tandem against the United States and its allies—like supporting Yemeni Houthis to diminish Saudi support for Syrian opposition groups and later getting the Houthis to fire missiles at Saudi Arabia to counteract the American maximum pressure campaign on Iran.

No one had ever imagined doing this before, and while it did not always succeed, it was part of how Soleimani played Iran’s weak hand better than anyone ever imagined it could be.

Of course, Iran’s influence in the Middle East derives from more than just the abilities of Qasem Soleimani. Iran’s location in the region, its willingness to back virtually any group employing violence against the U.S. and its allies, its patient determination to keep trying no matter how many defeats it may suffer — all make Iran a formidable regional power even without Soleimani.

Moreover, his successors will benefit from his legacy. They now know how to employ the Hezbollah model. They now know how to play off the region’s many conflicts against each other. They will inherit the strong Iranian positions in Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, and Yemen that Soleimani built. For all of those reasons, his successors probably won’t need to do what he did because he did it for them."

https://time.com/5760888/qasem-solei...e-east-legacy/

Originally Posted by helge

You should tone it down and acknowledge the fact, that Iranians are more civilised than you lot.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

You little comedian you.

It was Soleimani who effectively saved the Assad regime in Syria after 2012 by pushing Hezbollah to pitch in, building up local militias, then bringing in Afghan and Iraqi fighters, and finally convincing the Russians to intervene.

Christ on a bike, where do people get this shit?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

You little comedian you.

Not comedy. More like tragedy or Theatre of the Absurd.

Still;Scary times.