US carries out ‘precision defensive strikes’ in Iraq and Syria against Iranian-backed

**bowie** · 10-01-2020, 03:55 PM

Australia echoes western leaders in alleging Iran accidentally downed Ukraine plane

Australian prime minister Scott Morrison has backed other western leaders including Donald Trump, Justin Trudeau and Boris Johnson in alleging Iran accidentally shot down a passenger jet in Tehran shortly after a volley of missile fire aimed at US military bases in the region.

Intelligence sources told the Guardian their assessments suggest two surface-to-air missiles had targeted the Boeing 737-800 passenger jet that crashed in Iran on Wednesday morning, killing all 176 people onboard.

Morrison told radio 2GB: “I can confirm that we have had similar intelligence as our partners have.

“This is not a deliberate act as we can determine … it’s a terrible accident.”

Yup, right, you betcha, the airliner just accidentally collided with two surface-to-air missiles...

**OhOh** · 10-01-2020, 03:58 PM

^ What exactly does your video show that indicates anything?

Captured where, when, by whom and why was he/she pointing their camera into the sky at night, in that direction and at that time?

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Some may wish to read this "opinion" article.

Donald Trump has just blown up his goal of isolating Iran

The unified Sunni Arab response to Soleimani’s killing is not what Washington envisaged

John R. Bradle

John R. Bradley

11 January 2020 9:00 AM

"A blood-red flag was raised over the Jamkaran mosque in the Iranian holy city of Qom last week, one normally reserved to commemorate the death of martyrs. This time, it was intended as a call to arms. ‘We have unfurled this flag so that all [Shia] believers in the world gather around it to avenge Qassem Soleimani’s blood unjustly shed,’ said the mosque’s leader. In Tehran, there were calls for bloody retribution for the air strike that killed Iranian general Soleimani — and everywhere, talk of all-out war. If it was also intended to strike the fear of Allah into the hearts of Iran’s Sunni Arab enemies, it certainly succeeded.

In Riyadh, there was panic. The Saudi crown prince, Mohammed bin Salman, hastily sent an anti-war delegation to Washington and London. At home, his officials emphasised that the kingdom had not been consulted beforehand about the drone strike. ‘Please don’t blame us,’ was the message to Tehran. The Emirati foreign minister likewise called for restraint, warning of the devastating consequences for the Persian Gulf if war between the US and Iran were to break out.

The foreign minister of the UAE’s arch rival Qatar, home to a US air base that would be a crucial launching pad for any American war against Iran, went one step further. He visited Tehran, met with President Hassan Rouhani and offered his condolences. ‘Qatar understands the deep pain and sadness that the Iranian people and government are enduring,’ he said.

This unified Sunni Arab response to Soleimani’s murder is hardly what Washington had envisaged. After all, from the beginning of his presidency, Donald Trump’s Middle East strategy — orchestrated by his son-in-law, Jared Kushner — was aimed at fomenting an alliance between Israel and the Sunni Gulf Arab states (particularly Saudi Arabia and the Emirates) against Shia Iran.

The goal for the hawks Trump has surrounded himself with was to isolate Iran diplomatically, then to confront the country militarily on multiple fronts. To this end, Trump gave the Saudis a free pass at every juncture, even when Bin Salman had the Washington Post columnist Jamal Khashoggi chopped to pieces and his remains cooked in a tandoori oven.

Israel, the Emirates and Saudi Arabia had been flaunting their new intelligence co-operation and their united front against what they saw as the growing Iranian menace. They flirted with closer diplomatic and cultural ties; at one stage, the idea of an ‘Arab Nato’ was floated. Leaked documents reveal that the Saudis — like the Israelis — had previously been pushing Washington for a direct US strike on Iran’s nuclear facilities.

So Trump could have been forgiven for thinking the Saudis would be elated at Soleimani’s demise. Instead, they and the Emiratis waved the white flag before a single shot was fired. As per Iran’s request: its military offered a truce with Arab states that distanced themselves from America. It said Sunni cities would only be directly targeted if they assisted any US response to its air strikes against US bases in Iraq (in which case Dubai would be the first city to be ‘destroyed’). At the same time, Israel and the US were considered by Iran ‘as one’.

General Jonathan Shaw, former commander of UK forces in Iraq, put it well: Iran’s objectives are political, not military. Their aim is not to destroy any American air base, but to drive a wedge between the US and its Arab allies — and the Soleimani assassination has achieved more to this end than anything that could have been cooked up in Tehran. The Sunnis are standing down and the US and Israel now once again face being without real friends in the region. When push came to shove, all Kushner’s efforts amounted to nothing. How elated the Iranians must be, even in the midst of such a setback.

For those who had been paying closer attention, there were in fact plenty of reasons to believe that the Saudi royal court would respond cautiously to Soleimani’s murder. There were also reasons for them to doubt Trump as an ally. America’s supposedly state-of-the-art defence systems didn’t detect the recent drone strike on Saudi oil facilities. Adding insult to injury, Trump ordered the return of American planes that had been en route to Iran for a retaliatory strike.

This led to a big rethink in Riyadh. Iran might have no navy or air force to write home about, but it does have more missiles than any other country in the region. The attacks on the US air bases in Iraq on Wednesday, and the earlier Saudi strikes, prove it knows how to use them. The damage to the Saudi oil industry if war breaks out, then, would be immense. Riyadh had to ask: if this were to happen, how certain could they be that Trump would come to their aid? It goes without saying that the bold Saudi drive to diversify their economy would come crashing down with the oil installations and water desalination plants. And Bin Salman could also kiss goodbye to the dream of mass tourism. No one but YouTube weirdos would want to visit a war zone.

More to the point, after losing faith in Trump — and seeing what the Iranian military was capable of — the Saudis had decided to talk. Extensive back-channel negotiations had been taking place to ease tensions with Tehran as well as with the Houthis in Yemen. In recent months, the Saudis and Iranians had been using intermediaries in Oman, Kuwait and Pakistan, and reconciliation talks were speeding up. The Iraqi Prime Minister has said that when Soleimani was killed, the general was not planning attacks on American soldiers (as the Pentagon claims) but was on his way to a meeting in Baghdad to discuss how to speed up Saudi-Iran peace talks.

Perhaps no one in Washington realised how quickly things were moving. Or perhaps they did, and killing Soleimani was an effort to stop that rapprochement taking place. Either way, the Saudis had every right to be angry, and after Trump met the Saudi delegation at the Oval Office this week unusually a transcript of the meeting was not released.

The behaviour of Washington since the strike will have underlined every Saudi fear about Trump’s reliability. The US military released a letter declaring it would withdraw from Iraq (as per its parliament’s recent instruction) but the Pentagon said it had been released in error. Trump then tweeted that he could hit Iran’s cultural sites, only to be contradicted by his Defence Secretary.

Just after Iranian missiles were fired at a US base in Iraq this week, an Iranian presidential adviser tweeted that Saudi Arabia could have ‘total peace’. It is not inconceivable that we will see closer ties being forged in the coming years between Iran and Saudi Arabia than between Saudi Arabia and Israel. Washington hawks will not be pleased, but it would be an easier — and perhaps more dependable — option for Riyadh. After all, ordinary Arabs have long considered Israel, not Iran, to be their main enemy.

What is certain is that Iran is now far more united. Its economy shrank by about 10 per cent last year, taken in Washington as proof that sanctions were working. The mullahs were in trouble and badly needed a cause to rally the nation behind. Soleimani’s assassination has given them one. The demonstrations in Iran over fuel price hikes a few months ago already seem like a thing of the past; those who had been on the streets protesting against the government have now turned out in its support. The crowd that marched in Tehran on Monday — chanting ‘Death to America’ — was one of the largest ever seen in the capital."

Donald Trump has just blown up his goal of isolating Iran | The Spectator

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**raycarey** · 10-01-2020, 03:59 PM

Originally Posted by bowie

Yup, right, you betcha, the airliner just accidentally collided with two surface-to-air missiles...

so in your view the iranians deliberately shot down the ukranian plane?

because....

**bowie** · 10-01-2020, 04:03 PM

don't point a weapon unless you intend to cause damage. Who fired two surface to air missiles in a commercial airliners path? uhm... why?

**raycarey** · 10-01-2020, 04:11 PM

still haven't answered the question, bowie

Originally Posted by raycarey

because....

**OhOh** · 10-01-2020, 04:29 PM

One can only hope that the accusers will publish their evidence, agree to be cross examined and the 12 good men and women in the jury can arrive at an unanimous verdict quickly in the TD court of appeal.

Here's a picture I used recently, It may come in handy, for some future post

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**harrybarracuda** · 10-01-2020, 08:21 PM

Fucking hell HoHo will be inconsolable when it's proved that Iran fucked up.

And the US can lend them the paperwork used to compensate the victims families.

1-1 on the unintentional shooting down of a civilian aircraft. They'll never be able to bitch about 655 again.

**HuangLao** · 10-01-2020, 10:36 PM

Originally Posted by Klondyke

Interesting reading:

Why America Needs War - Global ResearchGlobal Research - Centre for Research on Globalization

Related material:

War Is A Force That Gives Us Meaning
~ Chris Hedges

**sabang** · 11-01-2020, 07:35 AM

The Iraqi Prime Minister has said that when Soleimani was killed, the general was not planning attacks on American soldiers (as the Pentagon claims) but was on his way to a meeting in Baghdad to discuss how to speed up Saudi-Iran peace talks.

Yes, he was (and maybe that is what the Israeli bosses didn't like?). He also travelled on a normal commercial flight, in his own name, on a diplomatic passport. He was met openly at Baghdad airport by a senior Iraqi General, then they hopped into a shared limo with no major security detail. So the drone strike was akin to shooting fish in a barrel, and was a clear act of war against two nations, and a particular embarassment to the Iraqi government- with which the US forces are supposed to be allied, and protecting.

What an act of idiocy. But don't take my word for it- just look at how everybody, including amerka ffs, promptly ran for the exits. The emerging axis of evil between Israel, Saud & US appears to be in tatters- so that's a good thing at least. The Iraq parliament has voted the US occupying forces out. A Boeing came down, killing far more allies than this fish in a barrel assassination killed enemies- but that's ok, they're mainly only canucks, no merkins were on board

. The response has been incredibly conciliatory and muted, particularly from an embarassed US- while in Iran they're probably grinning and saying "finally, revenge for the USS Vincennes". Australia (and undoubtedly other reluctant ällies) have put their bases into partial lockdown, fearing the very real risk of more green on blue attacks. So their mission and effectiveness has been compromised. And the Iranian armed forces (not Quds) launched an official attack on two US military bases from Iranian soil- setting a new precedent. The US response- well u'mm, at least no amarkins were killed (and yes, it was a Claytons attack- Iran ain't as stoopid as the trump admin). Hands in pockets, shuffling feet. What a glorious Victory! All Hail The Chief!

Oh well, at least your new bessie mates in Hamas are celebrating, and I think Isis might be handing out lollies too, the few that are left.

But in this punters view, the drumpf administration is no more than a piss boy for right wing Israel, who override the State Dept, Pentagon and US Intelligence (and intelligence) in The donalds shoot from the hip version of decision making and foreign policy. Dangerous times, indeed.

**kmart** · 11-01-2020, 08:24 AM

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

brilliant, it's really not different to what Hitler did in 1933 to save Germany from economic collapse

Pfft.. Hitler's "economic miracle" after the economic devastation of WWI and hise rise to power was totally financed by America's robber barons and the Bank of England. (Read: Rothschild banking empire).

This is the only mainstream media outlet that will report a smidge of the truth:

How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power | World news | The Guardian

**harrybarracuda** · 11-01-2020, 11:15 AM

They'll all be busy in Muscat today I fancy.

**HermantheGerman** · 11-01-2020, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by raycarey

still haven't answered the question, bowie

because it's a fact

**HermantheGerman** · 11-01-2020, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

One can only hope that the accusers will publish their evidence, agree to be cross examined and the 12 good men and women in the jury can arrive at an unanimous verdict quickly in the TD court of appeal.

Here's a picture I used recently, It may come in handy, for some future post

A BIT OF COMMON SENSE !
That is exactly what some people like OhOh, Sabang and ray don't have. They just want to be different and be some kind of "Apologist" for everything "The Islamic Republic of Iran" did or does.
While some posters here on TD kept a low profile about the shooting down of the airplane, others jump BLINDLY to Iran's defense.
Especially OhOh must feel like shit now. Oh wait, it was partially the U.S. fault. Right ?
It's not Iran that I'm afraid of (poor souls being ruled by religious fanatics). It's these Apologist who have lost touch to reality.

Calling a country "Islamic Republic" is a crime itself !
The name will be changed! Mark my words on it.

**HermantheGerman** · 11-01-2020, 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by sabang

Yes, he was (and maybe that is what the Israeli bosses didn't like?). He also travelled on a normal commercial flight, in his own name, on a diplomatic passport. He was met openly at Baghdad airport by a senior Iraqi General, then they hopped into a shared limo with no major security detail. So the drone strike was akin to shooting fish in a barrel, and was a clear act of war against two nations, and a particular embarassment to the Iraqi government- with which the US forces are supposed to be allied, and protecting.

I just have one question for you. Now here comes the part with the common sense. So please do concentrate.

How can someone travel in a normal commercial flight, in a limo with no major security, when the green zone has been bombed before and after. Not to mention the multiple suicide car bombs in Baghdad.

The only "particular embarrassment for the Iraqi government" is that they can not protect the The Green Zone (the most common name for the International Zone of Baghdad), and not some bearded Islamic Salami terrorist.

**harrybarracuda** · 11-01-2020, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

A BIT OF COMMON SENSE !
That is exactly what some people like OhOh, Sabang and ray don't have. They just want to be different and be some kind of "Apologist" for everything "The Islamic Republic of Iran" did or does.
While some posters here on TD kept a low profile about the shooting down of the airplane, others jump BLINDLY to Iran's defense.
Especially OhOh must feel like shit now. Oh wait, it was partially the U.S. fault. Right ?
It's not Iran that I'm afraid of (poor souls being ruled by religious fanatics). It's these Apologist who have lost touch to reality.

Calling a country "Islamic Republic" is a crime itself !
The name will be changed! Mark my words on it.

HoHo et al will do their best to try and avoid discussing the blithering incompetence of the Revolutionary Guard and instead focus on how (and they'll find some ridiculous, tenuous excuse) this was all the 'merkins fault.

**bsnub** · 11-01-2020, 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Especially OhOh must feel like shit now.

Just another of the many times he put his foot in it.

**Klondyke** · 11-01-2020, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

The only "particular embarrassment for the Iraqi government" is that they can not protect the The Green Zone (the most common name for the International Zone of Baghdad), and not some bearded Islamic Salami terrorist.

Interesting reading:

Surprise, Iraqi Resistance Bombs Green Zone!

Soleimani was murdered because he planned to talk with the Saudis about deescalating tension in the Middle East. Trump’s high-tech Mafia hit on Soleimani was also designed to please the Israelis.

Sky News
✔
@SkyNews
Two rockets have been fired into the Green Zone in Baghdad, Iraq causing sirens to go off at the US Embassy.
Our Middle East Correspondent @Stone_SkyNews says there is no suggestion that they are from Iran.
Read the latest here: Redirecting...

This fellow fails to name the group allegedly responsible—Kata’ib Hezbollah, depicted as a zombified Iranian proxy. (On the other hand, this attack may be a false flag to drive the war narrative forward and keep the heat on Iran. Point is, we really don’t know.)

Kata’ib Hezbollah is a Shia paramilitary organization formed when George Bush and his neocon handlers invaded Iraq in 2003. It was specifically organized to resist Dick Cheney’s illegal and brutal invasion. It’s leader, Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis, was murdered along with Iranian major general Qasem Soleimani on January 3.

Additionally, the chattering teleprompter readers and newspaper scribblers say almost nothing in regard to the Preamble to the 1899 Hague Convention II on Land War (specifically the Martens Clause) or the 1977 Protocol Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 relating to the Protection of Victims of International Armed Conflicts. Article 1, Paragraph 4 refers to armed conflicts “in which peoples are fighting against colonial domination and alien occupation and against racist regimes.”

Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis was killed specifically for his resistance to US occupation in addition to his relationship with Iran, which was natural considering he was a Shia Muslim, as are most Iraqis, and there are strong religious and cultural ties between what are now Iraqi and Iranian Shias.

But we are not allowed to hear any of that from the war media. Instead, we are told Iran is responsible for the deaths of US soldiers illegally occupying Iraq. Forgotten is that fact both Sunni and Shia Iraqis have resisted US occupation for well over a decade. In the United States of Lies, this resistance is depicted as terrorism.

Soleimani was murdered because he planned to talk with the Saudis about deescalating tension in the Middle East. Trump’s high-tech Mafia hit on Soleimani was also designed to please the Israelis. They have waged an assassination campaign against Palestinian activists for more than sixty years. Additionally, they have murdered a number of Iranian nuclear scientists and Lebanese Hezbollah leaders and activists (most notoriously Sayyed Abbas Musawi in 1992). It is safe to say the double hit in Baghdad was coordinated with the Israelis.

Donald Trump is the most outspoken pro-Zionist president in US history. The Zionist agenda, most urgently advocated by Bibi Netanyahu these many years, calls for the destruction of Iran on par with the destruction of Iraq and similar criminal acts in Afghanistan, Syria, and Libya by Bush, Obama, and Trump. Iranian nukes serve as a pretext, however flimsy, to realize the Israeli agenda of political control in neighboring states and the further annexation of land in the Golan and the West Bank (and no doubt beyond; the Israelis have coveted Lebanon’s water resources for decades, i.e., Operation Litani).

Donald Trump’s Kabuki theater of Fire and Fury must drive the neocons and Israelis up a wall, though. It was a different story under Bush. The neocons simply told a bunch of less than plausible lies, the media did the propagandizing and mesmerizing in preparation for the mass murder to follow, and it was off to the races.

It can be said we were a somewhat different people in the first couple of years after 9/11. Now most people distracted, they’re inured to war, it has become part of the cultural fabric, it is endlessly portrayed as service to the nation in defense of freedom and liberty—and it’s all bullshit.

Here’s what the corporate media never tells you.

The killing of US soldiers in occupied Iraq is legal self-defense and resistance to alien occupation. Iran is not firing ineffective Katyusha rockets into the occupation Green Zone, Iraqis are. Iran is certainly provoking and assisting and can you really blame them? Brother and sister Shias just over the border are long-term occupied by alien invaders and the invaders keep making threats against Iran.

Reality is irrelevant for the reality TV president. Reality dictates people invaded and occupied will resist, often with devastating result. The most radical Zionists in Israel do not and never have planned to make peace with the Arabs and Muslims around them. They have worked for many decades to undermine Arab nationalism, engage in false-flag deception, assassinate opponents in Mafia fashion, and prevent the barbarians from coming together, to paraphrase the late globalist Zbigniew Brzezinski.

Surprise, Iraqi Resistance Bombs Green Zone! - Global ResearchGlobal Research - Centre for Research on Globalization

**jabir** · 11-01-2020, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Fucking hell HoHo will be inconsolable when it's proved that Iran fucked up.

And the US can lend them the paperwork used to compensate the victims families.

1-1 on the unintentional shooting down of a civilian aircraft. They'll never be able to bitch about 655 again.

I could accept a 'mistake' but not that it was unintentional, like some squaddie absentmindedly leaned against the red button.

As for the apology that polite western leaders demand, don't hold your breath.

And while close enough to topic, if Trump thinks his sanctions will correct Iran's 'behaviour' he needs to be grabbed by the throat and shaken by the reality of that region. If form is anything to go by, revenge will be a dish served anytime anywhere anyhow, and he won't want any arriving close to November.

**HermantheGerman** · 11-01-2020, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by Klondyke

Interesting reading:

Surprise, Iraqi Resistance Bombs Green Zone!

Soleimani was murdered because he planned to talk with the Saudis about deescalating tension in the Middle East. Trump’s high-tech Mafia hit on Soleimani was also designed to please the Israelis.

And this nice fellow was also taking a stroll through Yemen trying to

to talk with the Saudis about deescalating tension in the Middle East.

US unsuccessfully targeted another Iranian commander on day of Soleimani strike

American forces tried to take out high-ranking Revolutionary Guards commander Abdul Reza Shahlai, who is accused of financing militias, planning attacks on US and allies

https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-unsuccessfully-targeted-another-iranian-commander-on-day-of-soleimani-strike/

**sabang** · 11-01-2020, 04:40 PM

According to the news here, Iran has apologised and said those responsible will be held accountable. Might be a good time for a US mea culpa, and to finally apologise for the USS Vincennes shooting down a civilian airliner. And the Gulf of Tonkin fraud, and those Iraqi WMD's, and those nuclear cooling tubes being bought in the Congo, and Saddam being involved with 911, and.....

Oh, ferget it.

**HermantheGerman** · 11-01-2020, 04:53 PM

Originally Posted by sabang

According to the news here, Iran has apologised and said those responsible will be held accountable. Might be a good time for a US mea culpa, and to finally apologise for the USS Vincennes shooting down a civilian airliner. And the Gulf of Tonkin fraud, and those Iraqi WMD's, and those nuclear cooling tubes being bought in the Congo, and Saddam being involved with 911, and.....

Oh, ferget it.

How about a mass procession in Iran for the innocent people killed.

You know, another stampede of religious fanatics

**OhOh** · 11-01-2020, 04:54 PM

Iran admits shooting down Ukrainian flight over Tehran in 'unintentional' missile launch

11 Jan, 2020 04:02

The Ukrainian passenger jet that crashed after takeoff from Tehran was downed due to "human error" after it flew too close to a military site and triggered a missile launch amid a standoff with the US, the Iranian Army said.
The Army General Staff stressed that the tragic mistake was made amid the flare-up of tensions with Washington. The nation's air defenses were placed on alert and ready to "respond to possible threats of the highest level," after US President Donald Trump warned that the Pentagon would strike targets on Iranian soil if US citizens or assets were attacked by Iran.
On Wednesday, the Iranian Army fired a volley of ballistic missiles at two bases in Iraq that house American troops. It was a retaliation in response to a US drone strike, which killed top Iranian military chief Qassem Soleimani at Baghdad's airport.

For several hours after the missile attacks, the army was detecting increased activity of US warplanes around the country and received alerts of possible airstrikes on "strategic sites" across Iran, the General Staff said.
The Kiev-bound Ukraine International Airlines Flight 752, which took off from Tehran's airport the same day, was approaching "an important military site" of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), while traveling at the altitude of a "hostile flight," the statement noted.

Iran admits shooting down Ukrainian flight over Tehran in 'unintentional' missile launch — RT World News

Good for the Iranian Government spokesman to admit they fired a defensive missile approaching a military site.

I will throw in three points, for discussion:

1. If we are to believe what we know so far, the Ukrainian plane was not on it's agreed flight path but had diverged towards what some might call a "strategic target". As such the Iranian defences chose to attack it and caused it to crash.

2.One might ask why the plane diverted, what were the intentions of this act? Obviously unknown by the Iranian military who were responsible for defending the site. Did the pilot leave a suicide note, are his family now free to return to their homes ..... pressure can be brought by a single phone call. As goldilocks tried with the Iraqi PM recently.

3. I suspect most countries defence forces have similar standing orders. Some here may have examples or more knowledge of defenders orders in such scenarios or as to what occurred in other instances when unauthorised aircraft approached strategic targets.

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

They just want to be different and be some kind of "Apologist" for everything "The Islamic Republic of Iran" did or does.

If you are referring to beliving in authorised, responsible spokespersons delivering gactual evidence then that a "difference" I wear with honour. If you mean attention seeking as being different, cast you eyes over many posters here on TD and how they grab attention.

There have been few things to "apologise" for. I do offer alternative scenarios I admit. Why, because of certain countries have previous for lying to it's own as well as foreign countries citizens. I openly apologise if I have posted what I considered to be a fact.

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

While some posters here on TD kept a low profile about the shooting down of the airplane, others jump BLINDLY to Iran's defense.
Especially OhOh

I suspect if you counted your alleged "low profile" posters here, who accepted the western, unproven until early this morning, "narrative", you would find they outnumber my own "opinions" and similar different narratives.The personal insults from the known dipsticks are there, including yourself.

As this is a forum for discussions and opinions as we were reminded by Norton, recently.

Originally Posted by Norton

"Forum: Speakers CornerAir your opinion on current world affairs. A forum for civil discussion and exchange of ideas. No flaming or abuse allowed. All posts should include your opinion on the subject, not your opinion of the member posting."

"Flaming is the online act of posting insults, often laced with profanity or other offensive language on social networking sites. This term should not be confused with the term trolling, which is the act of someone going online, or in person, and causing discord."

Nobody so far has posted anything except myself since the Iranian Govenment's Official spokesperson admittance of their military taking a defensive action. I congratulated a mature and possibly true explanation.

Prior to this post count those posts which agreed with the finger pointing at Iran, with no published evidence to scrutinise. Were those posters attacked/insulted as being idiotically, blindly, following their own narrative, by myself, no; by others, don't think so.

But do keep up your biased, personal insults, it illustrates your lack of ability to discus yours and others "opinions". You are not the only internet poster who believes anger can win them an argument.

**bsnub** · 11-01-2020, 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

Nobody so far has posted anything except myself since the Iranian Govenment's Official spokesperson admittance of their military taking a defensive action. I congratulated a mature and possibly true explanation.

Nice try pal go to the other thread about the airliner. You are way behind probably because of your great sadness and disappointment that the Iranians admitted what was blatantly obvious to those of us who have a shred of common sense (not you).

**aging one** · 11-01-2020, 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

2.One might ask why the plane diverted, what were the intentions of this act? Obviously unknown by the Iranian military who were responsible for defending the site. Did the pilot leave a suicide note, are his family now free to return to their homes ..... pressure can be brought by a single phone call. As goldilocks tried with the Iraqi PM recently.

The plane did not divert. A trigger happy missile man thought it did and shot it down. You ought to marry Klondyke. Two peas in a pod..

**OhOh** · 11-01-2020, 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Fucking hell HoHo will be inconsolable when it's proved that Iran fucked up.

Pray tell in what way I "fucked up", by calling for facts?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

HoHo et al will do their best to try and avoid discussing the blithering incompetence of the Revolutionary Guard

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