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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    The Yermins are doing fuk all, will do fuk all, can do fuk all... It was dumb of them to rely on Russian oil; of course Putin is gonna use it politically in future, just as he has done in the past.

    Russia's gas fight with Ukraine - BBC News


    I quite like the Ruskies meself, don't see them as any different to other empire builders, but everyone knows Putin is smart and a right sneaky fuker, he will use everything at his disposal to get what he wants. The Yermins are currently getting about (here comes a wild guess... ) 15% of their energy supply from Russian gas and this percentage is increasing - it is a stupid policy with real risks attached; it does give Putin leverage over Germany and by extension the EU.

    Does the US have the right to impose these sanctions? Of course not, it's a failure of their diplomacy although their diplomacy has pretty much been their military power ever since the 2nd world war...

    It's a ridiculous state of affairs: dumb German policy; bullying US tactics. I wonder if US subs will be destroying the undersea pipeline while Ruskie subs try to stop them?



    She's a repulsive and dishonest creature, but she's well out of her depth with Putin; he'll eat her alive...
    According to the 2018 figures Germany imports 36% oil and 35% gas from Russia. I don't know the potential increase that will occur due to the pipeline. If the US was so concerned politically it would have done something to address this percentage a long time ago. It's being addressed now only because the US can make money from it...no other reason so they can fook off.

    Keep your friends close and your enemies closer, as the saying goes...

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    Quote Originally Posted by HermantheGerman View Post
    I never had much faith in the EU. Especially those countries that got struck hard by covid-19 and are crying for help and begging for money now.
    Brexiteers should get a good laugh out of this
    Can't see that Brexiteers have much to laugh about right now, but tell you what there'll be plenty to laugh over when our NATO partner Erdogan establishes a proxy base in Libya, opposite the EU in the eastern Med, allowing him among other things to control the immigration flow along two porous fronts. Egypt is making an effort to counter with the advantage of a land border, careful to avoid direct confrontation, the EU is looking the other way, while its only leader that appears to be bothered is Macron with the right noises, halfheartedly, aware that such a package would end up in a Brussels that lacks a spine, two balls and a shot of testosterone.

    Turkey has already resumed drilling in disputed waters to a bit of grumbling but mostly shrugs from his EU neighbours, and I for one wouldn't be surprised if he decides they're so fcuking weak that he can get away with something novel like invading a few local Greek islands on some pretext, as a negotiating position for further drilling rights and or permanent occupancy.

    Then we can all be suitably outraged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HermantheGerman View Post
    What motives does the U.S. have to tell Europe where to buy their gas?
    The premise of this thread is false and the answer to the question is within the OP.
    " US lawmakers fear the project will give Moscow leverage over European allies."
    The US is not telling anyone where to buy their energy , it is telling them where they would like they buy it. and like any other business provides benefits to customers who do business with it, and sanctions to those who do not. No different than any European country.
    The sooner you fall behind, the more time you have to catch up.

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    Nothing wrong with buying cheap gas from Vlad, but if you then become dependent on it you are fucking idiots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Nothing wrong with buying cheap gas from Vlad, but if you then become dependent on it you are fucking idiots.
    And with that, this thread should be closed as there is nothing left to say on the subject.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    And with that, this thread should be closed as there is nothing left to say on the subject.
    You wish.


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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Nothing wrong with buying cheap gas from Vlad, but if you then become dependent on it you are fucking idiots.
    Good logic as usually: Better to buy expensive gas from (please no names here), they do not want from you any dependency nor being a vassal, do they?

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    Well it had to be one fucking muppet or the other didn't it?


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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Nothing wrong with buying cheap gas from Vlad, but if you then become dependent on it you are fucking idiots.
    Yep, they're too smart to learn the implications of being dependent on China.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    Yep, they're too smart to learn the implications of being dependent on China.
    When did China start exporting gas?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    the implications of being dependent on China
    I suspect China is "dependent" on many countries, for various industrial and consumer products. The Chinese offer contracts to supply xxxx. The suppliers decide if the offered contract is beneficial to their shareholders. Home or in China production, is a choice the foreign suppliers, not China.

    Socially, legally and politically China has its own strong systems, chosen paths, nowadays allegedly called "Socialism with a twist of Beijing", which has served them for millennia. A tweak or two every half century or so, continues to satisfy it's citizens.

    Here today gone tomorrow western "empires", dedicated to serving only their "ruling" class are but, grains of sand washed away at every change of the ocean's tides.

    Some foreigners have tried and continue to try and force political changes, will they succeed?

    IMHO, they haven't so far and any future success is doubtful.

    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    but if you then become dependent on it you are fucking idiots
    The % currently is 35% allegedly. Far from being "dependent". The Germans and the rest of Europe who choose to, will continue to be supplied with Russian energy commodities, through rain and shine, as Russia has illustrated for few decades.

    China likewise delivers its products to all, its specification is customers determined. The customers knows their local markets and supplies what it's own customers require, basic commodities, high tech or baubles.

    Relying on unexceptional countries not to rip up signed international agreements, contracts, invasion plans ... is the folly being exposed every day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Nothing wrong with buying cheap gas from Vlad, but if you then become dependent on it you are fucking idiots.
    Wondering where is the dependency of Europe when after decades of "buying cheap gas from Vlad" they are still buying cheap, even if imposing sanctions on "Vlad"?

    Whilst when buying expensive gas from others (please no names here), the others still forcing to buy expensive, and/or threatening by sanctions if not stopping the job...

    But perhaps with my poor English I do not understand what is to "become dependent".

    Please enlighten me...

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    I suspect China is "dependent" on many countries, for various industrial and consumer products.
    There is a bit of difference between abruptly losing your supply of chainsaws and DVD players as opposed to losing your supply of energy.

    You fucking idiot.

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    Germany kicked out the occupied forces in the east. Now its time to kick out the seppos. So that Germany can be a country again.

    Germany owns a trillion dollars in US debt. So its Germany that has been subsidizing the US's defense. Not the other way around

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    Yep, they're too smart to learn the implications of being dependent on China.
    As opposed to the US and Anglo world in general, who are systemic dual debtors to China.

    If the US had a trade surplus with the whole world minus China, it would still have a trade deficit, because of China.

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    I love it when backspin tries to play with the big boys.


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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Well it had to be one fucking muppet or the other didn't it?

    Harry's only card. The ad hom

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    Germany kicked out the occupied forces in the east.
    No, the Germany did not kick out any occupied forces, neither in the east.
    The occupied forces in the east of Germany, as well as in the other then Warsaw Block states, have withdrawn by their our decision, to the big surprise of the whole world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    Harry's only card. The ad hom
    Sobered up have we?

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    I love it when backspin tries to play with the big boys.
    You, klondick, jabir and ohno?


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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    You, klondick, jabir and ohno?

    Are you excluding yourself sybil?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    No, the Germany did not kick out any occupied forces, neither in the east.
    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    withdrawn by their our decision

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    No, the Germany did not kick out any occupied forces, neither in the east.
    The occupied forces in the east of Germany, as well as in the other then Warsaw Block states, have withdrawn by their our decision, to the big surprise of the whole world.
    That's true. The Russians withdrew gracefully. Without any blood spilled. All they asked was that NATO didn't expand east. But why have peace when you can have war - Seppos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HermantheGerman View Post
    Let's face it, not only Trump is an asshole but 99.9% of U.S. politicians are. When you look at the candidates who are trying to knock off Trump you know that the U.S. is a nightmare (Hillary was just the bginning).
    Actually, the whole White House should be impeached !
    What motives does the U.S. have to tell Europe where to buy their gas? MONEY!





    Germany, EU decry US Nord Stream sanctions | News | DW | 21.12.2019

    Well, let's see how this ends up.
    I agree with Herms, get all of those US bases and troops out of Europe. Stand up for themselves, C'mon man it's been over 50 years, bout time to defend for themselves hey, I mean they can buy the stuff from the USA or France or Russia or China(the cheapest) About time they start enlisting more defense personnel, Jobs jobs jobs, for Europeans,Get those Yanks out and give ya own countrymen a job, and take the planes and tanks and weapons with ya.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deeks View Post
    get all of those US bases and troops out of Europe
    Perhaps it's coming now after November. Actually, the new POTUS can just de-dust the premises he had made during his VP time - beside the ones made by his boss - and read it again... (maybe, anybody will believe him now at last?)

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