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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    Alliances with current and future enemies is not uncommon,
    It was also uncommon before and during WW2...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    Eastern Ukraine
    Crimea
    Georgia

    Before we get into interfering in Britain (novachok) and others
    If those were the case, wondering, why the US Force had not stepped in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    Eastern Ukraine
    Crimea
    Georgia

    Before we get into interfering in Britain (novachok) and others and before you start your standard "what about" obfuscation, the question was Russian aggression, feel free to start another thread on Aggression from other countries.
    Talk about obfuscate....


    United States Imports from Russia was US$21.6 Billion during 2018, according to the United Nations COMTRADE database on international trade.

    .....the question was U.S. aggression, feel free to give it another try

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    INTERVIEW WITH THE US AMBASSADOR TO GERMANY
    Sanctions against Nord Stream 2 are a pro-European decision


    21.12.2019 - 22:43 Uhr
    It has been announced for a long time and finally happened on Friday evening.

    US President Donald Trump (73) signed the US sanctions against the company "Allseas", which is currently laying the last kilometres of the Russian gas pipeline Nord Stream 2 south of the Danish island of Bornholm.

    Minutes later, "Allseas" announced that it wanted to temporarily stop its construction work. Resume and completion of the pipeline - completely unclear. The Federal Government said that the US would not “interfere in our internal affairs“.

    In an interview with BILD and the US news agency "Associated Press", Ambassador Richard Grenell (53) explained the motives behind the sanctioning of the Nord Stream 2 construction company.

    BILD: Were the sanctions imposed to slow down the pipeline project or to prevent it in the long term?

    Richard Grenell: "You see, this is a longstanding US policy that goes back to the Obama administration. The goal has always been for diversification of Europe's energy sources and to ensure that not one country or source can build up too much influence on Europe through energy."

    So this is a long-term strategy that is intended to prevent the project in the long run

    Grenell: "Yes. It's a long-term strategy that aims at energy diversity in Europe."

    BILD: You said today on Twitter that this is a "pro-Europe" action. The German Government, on the other hand, has declared that the sanctions are, quote: "an interference in our internal affairs". What do you say to this accusation by the German government?

    Grenell: "Just look at the reaction of the European Commission and the European Parliament, you will find your answer there. 15 European countries, the European Commission and the European Parliament have all expressed their concerns about the project. We have been hearing from our European partners that the United States should support them in their efforts. That is why the sanctions are a very pro-European decision. Currently there is a lot of talk in Germany about being more for European and we believe that when it comes to Nord Stream 2, we have taken an extremely pro-European position. I've been hearing all day from European diplomats thanking me for taking this action."


    Map/Map: Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline through the Baltic Sea | Infographic

    Up to now, the sanctions have only gone against the installation companies involved. Do other companies that have invested in the project, for example, have to expect the risk of sanctions?

    Grenell: "From day one, Congress has worked to make the sanctions as tailored and targeted and precise as possible. Even as limited as possible. So you are right, the sanctions only affect a very small part of the project and we are pleased that the companies involved are already taking action."

    Senator Ted Cruz said yesterday that the sanctions were intended to curb Putin's aggression against Europe. How are the two things connected?

    Grenell: "This is a great question for Ted Cruz. As far as the US government is concerned, this is about energy security in Europe."

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Until the EU grows some hair on it's tiny nad's, it is nothing more than a vassal- and thus equally as culpable as the Israel/US/Saudi axis for all of the evil it is promulgating in the world today.
    Macron tried to promote the new EU Army, and got chastised by everyone in the EU because they all need NATO to defend themselves against Russia

    Russia is our historical friend, not our enemy, so as long as that stupid former eastern europe mentality stay, we are doomed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    So I take it you are an American Indian or whatever the current PC word is Norts?
    Nope. I am a mix of Scot and Ukranian.
    Just pointing out, like it or not, the US is the dominate power in the world at the moment and will use their economic and military superiority to remain so.

    Just as other great powers before them did. British, French, Spanish, Roman, Greek, et al.

    Like those, the US will not remain the dominant world power forever so be happy you Euro folk wil not be treated like vassels by US indefinately.

    Will be the next dominant world power. Chinese as a 2nd language sound good.
    Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    (why to buy from nearby and cheap? we can sell you from far and far from cheap)
    Possibly this year, unfortunately if ameristani politicians decide next year you now need some advice. Woe betide you if you disagree. As we have seen signed agreements, legally and politically, mean little if they decide it's bad for them, their citizens or their lords.

    As opposed to the arch rivals/enemies/anybody who doesn't toe the prescribed line. Who even when labelled as such continued to honour signed agreements.
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    Apparently the Germans are actually speaking out, at last.

    US sanctions on Germany over pipeline a self-defeating move


    "On December 20, 2019, President Trump signed a law into effect which targets companies involved in the construction of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline, which aims to directly supply Germany with natural gas from Russia via the Baltic Sea. The law includes travel bans on managers and shareholders of these companies, as well as blocking these individuals from conducting any business in the US. Due to this pressure, construction has, at least temporarily, halted. This happened as 1,200 kilometers of the pipeline have already been laid, with only 300 km left until completion.

    It is important to note here that the US has passed a law, not a resolution, aiming to influence matters outside of the US. Imagine Germany passing a law regulating gas fracking plants inside the US, for example. The sanctions therefore constitute a clear violation against German sovereignty and have therefore been met with widespread condemnation by legislators and the public alike inside Germany. Even among critics of potential economic and environmental issues of the project, many are condemning the behavior of US legislators, seeing it as interference in Germany’s internal affairs.

    The US, increasingly since the beginning of the Trump presidency, has been attempting to stop European states from importing energy sources from Russia, with the goal of promoting exports of its own expensive American fracking gas at the same time, with sanctions hitting the Russian energy sector in 2017, for example. Russia’s “involvement in the Syrian war”, “cyberattacks” and “interference in the 2016 Presidential Election” have been cited as reasons for these sanctions.

    Germans united in opposition

    It seems that through this measure, which is more directly aimed at NATO-ally Germany than any previous sanctions, many are starting to reconsider the sincerity and reliability of US-German relations and contemplating a reorientation of future economic and diplomatic allegiances. Equal condemnation across most political parties in Germany can be observed, decrying a violation of German sovereignty as well as international law.

    German Minister of Foreign Affairs Heiko Maas said: “The European energy policy is decided in Europe, not in the US. We fundamentally reject outside interference and sanctions with extraterritorial effects.”

    Germany’s Vice-Chancellor Olaf Scholz had similar words to say: “Such sanctions are a severe intrusion into Germany’s and Europe’s internal affairs and sovereignty, and we strongly reject that. It is by the way something not appropriate at all among NATO-allies.”

    Rolf Mützenich, chairman of the ruling Social Democratic Party (SPD) in the German parliament, furthermore commented: “It appears that the EU and Germany are not allied Partners for Trump, but vassals subject to tribute. Independence is being sanctioned. We will not bow to these methods of extortion.”

    Politician of the ruling Christian Democratic Union (CDU) and member of parliament Joachim Pfeiffer called the sanctions “a hostile act of the US against its allies and all of Europe.”

    Many German commentators on social media expressed similar sentiment, with some calling for “now more than ever”, referring to the construction of the pipeline, and some even demanded politicians to react with retaliatory sanctions. One observer wrote: “It is certainly true that we have many things to thank the US for, such as post-war development and reunification. But does this give a controversial US president the right to coerce us, with the goal of exporting his dangerous fracking-gas?”

    Although the German government has so far refrained from initiating retaliatory sanctions, with Chancellor Merkel warning “not to encourage a spiral of sanctions with counter-measures”, both the German and Russian sides have signaled that they are willing to continue the project regardless of the sanctions.

    ‘Cold war 2.0’ doomed to fail

    Contrary to recent US foreign policy, countries such as Russia and China are increasingly opening up to further economic cooperation, though measures such as the New Silk Road, instead of forcing trade dependencies through coercion and sanctions.
    In many regards, this makes them more attractive long-term trade and economic partners than the US, with its isolationist policies solely focused on self-interests instead of mutual benefits. These sanctions are a further step in revealing the real face of American interests, since it does not shy away from even targeting countries such as Germany - which is a longtime friend and ally with a very similar political system. If it continues to pursue only its own interests, the US will further isolate itself from more and more countries in the future, hurting itself in the long-term.

    The recent sanctions on Germany are another step in a long chain of events that in the long run will damage US reliability, even among European leaders. Among them are acts such as pulling out of the Iran deal, imposing sanctions on the European company Airbus, and pulling out of the Paris Climate Accord. Also, the recent measures are in line with the US pressuring countries not to adapt Chinese 5G technology - it comes from the same line of reasoning from the same US legislators. The aim in all these measures is the same: creating dependencies on the US in all fields: technology, resources, trade, military, etc.

    If there is not a major shift in American foreign policy soon, countries like Germany will more and more turn to seek new, more reliable partners for cooperation.
    Recent US behavior reminds us of Cold War mentalities: such as President Reagan trying to pressure Germany and others not to import Russian gas in the 80s, out of “security concerns” – but failing to stop the import even then. Nowadays, with countries like Russia and China choosing multilateralism instead of isolationism, the attempts of the US to create new “cold war 2.0” camp mentality seems doomed to fail, as seen by the condemnation of US actions by the German public and legislators alike."

    US sanctions on Germany over pipeline a self-defeating move - Opinion - Chinadaily.com.cn
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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Apparently the Germans are actually speaking out, at last.
    How dare they?

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    The Yermins are doing fuk all, will do fuk all, can do fuk all... It was dumb of them to rely on Russian oil; of course Putin is gonna use it politically in future, just as he has done in the past.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29521564


    I quite like the Ruskies meself, don't see them as any different to other empire builders, but everyone knows Putin is smart and a right sneaky fuker, he will use everything at his disposal to get what he wants. The Yermins are currently getting about (here comes a wild guess... ) 15% of their energy supply from Russian gas and this percentage is increasing - it is a stupid policy with real risks attached; it does give Putin leverage over Germany and by extension the EU.

    Does the US have the right to impose these sanctions? Of course not, it's a failure of their diplomacy although their diplomacy has pretty much been their military power ever since the 2nd world war...

    It's a ridiculous state of affairs: dumb German policy; bullying US tactics. I wonder if US subs will be destroying the undersea pipeline while Ruskie subs try to stop them?

    The U.S. is treating Europe like a vassal state-1526616726-4928-jpg

    She's a repulsive and dishonest creature, but she's well out of her depth with Putin; he'll eat her alive...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    Does the US have the right to impose these sanctions?
    Who cares about "rights"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    It does seem a little odd to be buying your energy from the country that you spend billions defending against.
    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    ^It has escaped to my knowledge, please enlighten me. Can you elaborate the aggression to be defended against?
    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    Eastern Ukraine
    Crimea
    Georgia

    Before we get into interfering in Britain (novachok) and others and before you start your standard "what about" obfuscation, the question was Russian aggression, feel free to start another thread on Aggression from other countries.
    Quote Originally Posted by HermantheGerman View Post
    Talk about obfuscate....







    .....the question was U.S. aggression, feel free to give it another try
    Maybe you should pay attention to the post that was answered. Feel free to give that another try.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    Originally Posted by Hugh Cow
    Eastern Ukraine
    Crimea
    Georgia
    Crimea?
    if all regime changes in the world were done in such a manner without one shot and to the full happiness of the population - no armies would be needed on this planet..

    Georgia (Gruzia)?
    Their president who on advice of mighty powers started that dirty job costing so many lives of his own people is nowadays a wanted criminal not only in his mother country but also in a neighbour country...

    Eastern Ukraine?
    ditto as above, with similar story and fate of their president...

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    So Britain would be justified in taking back Hong Kong according to your logic. Or if all the Poles who have gone to England congregated in Yorkshire and became the majority. In 50 years or so they should have the right to vote Yorkshire as part of Poland. As to the Crimea the Russians banished much of the original population and filled it with Russians. Maybe you should ask the original population how happy they are about the country who exiled them taking over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    So Britain would be justified in taking back Hong Kong according to your logic. Or if all the Poles who have gone to England congregated in Yorkshire and became the majority. In 50 years or so they should have the right to vote Yorkshire as part of Poland. As to the Crimea the Russians banished much of the original population and filled it with Russians. Maybe you should ask the original population how happy they are about the country who exiled them taking over.
    ah History explained with the mind of a 15yr old American, so naive and innocent, and yet so wrong on every levels

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    it's only question of time before we go back to colonization, Europe, Russia, China and the US

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    So Britain would be justified in taking back Hong Kong according to your logic.
    Unfortunately, with your logic I cannot compete.

    Maybe you should ask the original population how happy they are about the country who exiled them taking over.
    I cannot provide you with my personal asking, perhaps you can?

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    Give it a rest Klongdyke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    Crimea?
    if all regime changes in the world were done in such a manner without one shot and to the full happiness of the population - no armies would be needed on this planet..

    Georgia (Gruzia)?
    Their president who on advice of mighty powers started that dirty job costing so many lives of his own people is nowadays a wanted criminal not only in his mother country but also in a neighbour country...

    Eastern Ukraine?
    ditto as above, with similar story and fate of their president...

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    Whilst ever the Europeans elect politicians who bend over for the goldilocks crew they have themselves to blame.
    A tray full of GOLD is not worth a moment in time.

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