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    Billy Krankie has come up with another idea to price Scotland out of the UK. Free beer money for the Kilts, what could possibly go wrong. Would love to hear what Prince Phillip has to say on the matter.


    Citizen's basic income: Pilot scheme 'challenging but desirable'


    A study group looking into whether Scotland should implement a basic income for every citizen has backed proposals to run a pilot scheme.


    Models vary, but the idea is based on an unconditional, regular payment made instead of benefits.


    Proponents claim it could cut welfare bureaucracy and reduce poverty.


    Councils in Fife, North Ayrshire, Edinburgh and Glasgow are part of the group which has now endorsed plans to run a pilot.




    Has coronavirus changed the basic income debate?


    The councils will now debate the findings before passing the report to the Scottish government at the end of the month.


    The group behind the study, the Citizens' Basic Income Feasibility Study Steering Group, said a pilot - which would run for three years - could provide a better understanding of how a universal basic income could impact on poverty, child poverty, unemployment, health and financial wellbeing.


    However, it also said there were many obstacles that would have to be overcome, as it would require the UK and Scottish governments as well as councils working together.


    A basic income system would provide every individual in the country with a cash payment at regular intervals, without any requirement to work or qualify for it. This payment would be given to every citizen regardless of their wealth, employment or personal status.


    Two levels of payment


    A range of different figures have been suggested, but it would be enough to cover the basics of life and would serve as a replacement for all existing benefit payments.


    The study suggests trialling two levels of payment - one that is broadly in line with current benefit entitlements, and another at a higher level which experts think is likely to be able to reduce or eradicate poverty.


    Joe Cullinane, leader of North Ayrshire Council, said: "As we rebuild our economy post-Covid, we must consider innovative solutions in recreating the social security safety net and now would seem the ideal time to test Citizens' Basic Income."


    Paul Vaugan, head of communities at Fife Council said that while "desirable", a pilot scheme would have to overcome many challenges.


    "We are clear that a pilot of basic income is desirable and we have described how and what would need to be done for this to happen," he said.


    "However, we also recognise that, at this time, it's not currently feasible to progress to a pilot due to the very complex legislative, technical and delivery challenges associated with the institutional arrangements needed for a pilot."


    Nicola Sturgeon backs a basic income - but says Holyrood lacks the powers to set one up


    First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has said the experience of the coronavirus pandemic has strengthened her support for such a system, telling MSPs in May: "My position on that has gone from having a keen interest in exploring it to what I now describe as active support for it."


    However, she stressed the constitutional barriers to actually setting one up, saying "we cannot implement it unilaterally in Scotland".


    Responding to the publication of the report, Communities Secretary Aileen Campbell said she had written to UK minister "urging them to engage constructively with us on this matter and discuss next steps towards a universal basic income pilot."


    Ms Campbell added: "The coronavirus pandemic has exposed the shortcomings of the UK social security system and strengthened calls to further explore how a universal basic income could provide support to people and reduce poverty.


    "We now have the perfect opportunity to take that forward."


    The UK government retains many welfare and taxation powers, and has said that a basic income is not the best response to the pandemic because it is not targeted at those who need support the most.


    Chancellor Rishi Sunak told MPs that the government was "not in favour of a universal basic income", and had "strengthened the safety net for the most vulnerable" by investing in the existing welfare system.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-52997031

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    We are definitely heading towards a “money for nothing“ society.

    Communist Scotland could just be the start.

    Just keep printing the paper - there’s enough for everyone.

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    I wonder how long you would have to be resident in Scotland to qualify for the payments. There could be an exodus from other parts of the UK.

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    Independence, Leave the UK, join the EU, become a net beneficiary...life is good. England saves money.

    oh and Trumps company can help with re-building the wall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    I wonder how long you would have to be resident in Scotland to qualify for the payments. There could be an exodus from other parts of the UK.
    With the SNP at the helm, no thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    I wonder how long you would have to be resident in Scotland to qualify for the payments. There could be an exodus from other parts of the UK.
    Probably 2 years. That's how long you have to live there to qualify for free university.

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    ^ over 180 days a year in country?

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    Ohhh Jimmy won't be happy with this, there will be men in skirts burning the jack joined by Dirk in Udon.

    Boris Johnson to plaster Union flag across UK-funded schemes in Scotland

    BORIS Johnson is set to stamp schemes in Scotland paid for by the UK Government with a Union flag from next year.


    The Telegraph reports that the flag will replace the EU symbol used to show infrastructure like bridges or roads have been funded by Brussels.


    The news has been highly criticised by senior SNP figures who accuse the Prime Minister of “trying to force the Union flag down people’s throats”.


    But the idea is backed by new Scottish Tory leader Douglas Ross, who wants to show the “visual connection” between UK funding and schemes in Scotland.


    He said the party should be “unashamed of our investment in Scotland”.


    Last night Scottish Secretary Alister Jack said the proposals had been signed off by Johnson and Michael Gove, and would begin after the transition period.


    SNP MP Tommy Sheppard said the plan is “foolish and political tokenism”.


    He told the newspaper: “It would probably be counterproductive because there is no point trying to force the union flag down people's throats in the hope that they would like it. If the Union is so great, they should not need constantly to use the flag to promote it."


    The news comes as yet another poll showed majority support for Scottish independence.


    YouGov put backing for self-determination on 53% after two Panelbase surveys put the figure at 54%.


    Some 57% of Scots also plan to vote SNP at next year’s Scottish Parliament election.

    https://www.thenational.scot/news/18650895.boris-johnson-plaster-union-flag-across-uk-funded-schemes-scotland/

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    Quote Originally Posted by NamPikToot View Post
    Independence, Leave the UK, join the EU, become a net beneficiary...life is good. England saves money.
    Not so. Scotland pays 10% of the tax generated by UK as a whole, but only has 8% of the population.


    Quote Originally Posted by NamPikToot View Post
    oh and Trumps company can help with re-building the wall.
    Which wall should we rebuild first?


    Scotland will be better off as an independent nation but you know what, even if we broke even or were a little worse off, we would still be a better nation and free from all the nonsense.
    Lang may yer lum reek...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirk diggler View Post
    even if we broke even or were a little worse off, we would still be a better nation and free from all the nonsense.
    No you wouldn't, the Krankie and the rest of the SNP nutters would still be there.

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    In the case of Independence we would then vote for a parliament. Voting for Independence is not voting for the SNP. So if they are still there it’s because we voted them there so what’s the problem?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirk diggler View Post
    In the case of Independence we would then vote for a parliament. Voting for Independence is not voting for the SNP. So if they are still there it’s because we voted them there so what’s the problem?
    Billy Krankies Scottish Referendum on Independence again-tenor-gif

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    It’s pretty straightforward to be honest.

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    Yes it is. You had your referendum and you lost.

    Get over it.

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    ^ So there is a stipulated minimum time before a new referendum can be held?
    No need to answer, the question is rhetoric..

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    Any chance of changing the lame name of this thread, mods?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lom View Post
    ^ So there is a stipulated minimum time before a new referendum can be held?
    No need to answer, the question is rhetoric..
    Yes. A generation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    Any chance of changing the lame name of this thread, mods?
    Why? It's quite appropriate.

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    Well you started a new thread on EPL 20/21.

    Any chance to expunge that dickwad.


    I know you're in the 'never surrender' camp like a good Bombay Banger, Harry.

    :cringe:

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Yes it is. You had your referendum and you lost.

    Get over it.
    Things have changed. Drastically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    Well you started a new thread on EPL 20/21.

    Any chance to expunge that dickwad.


    I know you're in the 'never surrender' camp like a good Bombay Banger, Harry.

    :cringe:
    .... banger.... yess......

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirk diggler View Post
    It’s pretty straightforward to be honest.
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Yes it is. You had your referendum and you lost.

    Get over it.
    Quote Originally Posted by dirk diggler View Post
    Things have changed. Drastically.
    Your attitude towards this is pigheaded and ignorant in all fairness. We are talking about a country here and who wouldn't want what is best for a country. Especially when you are so adamant that your country would be better off without Scotland.

    Westminster shat their pants when Scotland started looking like they would vote in favour of independence. They pulled out all the scaremongering, then they resorted to making false promises then on the day, the vote count was controversial and one truck carrying votes 'crashed' which which voided the votes etc etc.

    Anyway, they got the result they wanted then failed to deliver on any of the promises. That alone was enough to secure a YES vote next time round.

    Then, they pulled us out of the EU against our will. Almost the whole of Scotland voted to stay in the EU.

    This, gave us the right to invoke article 50, which states that Scotland is entitles to another Indyref in the event of substantial change to circumstances.

    So hey, if we are a burden and a parasite and you would love to see us crash and burn then why not change your attitude and support our inevitable doom.

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    Surely the EU is a shit copy of the UK? Multiple countries with no physical boarders. One currency etc etc. What is it about the Scot's that makes you not to wanna be part of the UK block? Surely it's same same? Or am I talking bollix?

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    The difference is that an independent Scotland can 100% vote for what it believes is best for Scotland, instead of having 8% of a vote for UK.

    There are 9.3m people in London alone. 5.5m in Scotland. Why should the 2 share a vote on anything?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    Multiple countries with no physical boarders. One currency etc etc. What is it about the Scot's that makes you not to wanna be part of the UK block? Surely it's same same?
    Why be a member of a block with 3 other countries when you can be a member of a block with 27 other countries?

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