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    The CIA thread

    Let me preface this by saying I was a believer in the mainstream narrative of the greater west. The Anglo world order. I supported the Iraq war (most of us did) and I believed we were better off because we had rule of law and you know the rest. And I believed that other countries were poor because they were corrupt, stupid and they had bad economic policy. They printed money and thats where inflation came from. But we were smart, so we never did that stuff. So we never have inflation.

    But now ? No. The lefties were right about this all along.

    Bolivia was just the latest example.

    The CIA has not changed its basic playbook, ever. If a sovereign nation elects/appoints a president the CIA doesn’t like, the CIA goes to work. They operate against their target regime indirectly, by fomenting, organizing, and arming political opposition, whether in the form of “rebels” or just plain terrorists. Regime change is spun as the righteous outcome of civil conflict, when it in fact results from the deception and brute force of an imperial superpower that has no respect for any votes anywhere. From Iran through Ukraine and Syria. Only, in Syria, the regime changers have been unable to succeed. This is why they project all their worst vices on to Russia, calling the country autocratic, expansionist, meddling in democracy.

    The CIA has been a force for evil since its inception, and it is the dark heart rotting inside the U.S. republic. Break it into a thousand pieces and scatter it to the wind.

    50 minutes in until the end, this CIA prick, basically predicts the MH17 aircraft crash over Ukraine in 2014, and the snipers. How ? Because its CIA policy


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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    Let me preface this by saying I was a believer
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    You have to remember that America has never suffered any wars, bombing, mass population death, or terrible suffering on home soil (Pearl Harbour does'nt count) since the civil war in the 1700's.
    Unlike the rest of the world especially Europe, Russia and the ME.
    So, the cvnts who run the USA have no preconceptions of internal home suffering, and just like to dish it out.
    They are also over paranoid about Commies, Weed, and Fluoride in the water...........

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    I also used to believe in the mainstream narrative and altruistic leaders, but that was like 50 years ago.

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    Before the invention of tin foil?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    Before the invention of tin foil?
    And on that note, Christ I hate the way they pronounce aluminium, sorry, aluminum .

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    Interesting history of the CIA and it's formation and transition from the "OSS" ('USA's Gestapo', as it was known at the time), starting with Allan Dulles and his brother, along with other "Skull & Bones" acolytes like the Bush family. Basically, declaring war on their own population as well as foreign and sovereign states worldwide. (Other than the UK).

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    I also used to believe in the mainstream narrative and altruistic leaders, but that was like 50 years ago.
    Most people were clueless through the early 2000's. Only after that did narratives start to really get questioned.

    I remember these pics being featured in the national newspaper growing up. Nobody questioned it then. But it is the equivalent of Soviet Pravda. Pre packaged narratives were and are distributed to the national news networks of the empire (US UK Aus Can NZ)

    Today, its laughable
    Read the little boxes. It says that Binladens base had hydro electric power generated from streams.
    Arms and munitions like Stingers in stock
    Secret exits with boobytraps
    (dammit this pic is too big. Might get Bourdain'd)
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    Quote Originally Posted by NamPikToot View Post
    See the pics of Binladens cave that i posted. You believe all this nonsense still. I dont

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luigi View Post
    And on that note, Christ I hate the way they pronounce aluminium, sorry, aluminum .
    And not to mention how they pronounce tomato, potato:

    You Say Tomato, I say Tomato


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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    I supported the Iraq war (most of us did)
    Horseshit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    Most people were clueless through the early 2000's. Only after that did narratives start to really get questioned.
    Sure? Tell it to: (please no names here)...

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    I'm sure no foreign entity has a finger in this pie but coincidence or not?

    Bolivian Coup Comes Less Than A Week After Morales Stopped Lithium Deal

    "The Sunday military coup in Bolivia has put in place a government which appears likely to reverse a decision by just-resigned President Evo Morales to cancel an agreement with a German company for developing lithium deposits in the Latin American country for batteries like those in electric cars.

    "Bolivia's lithium belongs to the Bolivian people," tweeted Washington Monthly contributor David Atkins.

    "Not to multinational corporate cabals."

    The coup, which on Sunday resulted in Morales resigning and going into hiding, was the result of days of protests from right-wing elements angry at the leftist Morales government. Sen. Jeanine Añez, of the center-right party Democratic Unity, is currently the interim president in the unstable post-coup government in advance of elections.

    Investment analyst publisher Argus urged investors to keep an eye on the developing situation and noted that gas and oil production from foreign companies in Bolivia had remained steady.

    The Morales move on Nov. 4 to cancel the December 2018 agreement with Germany's ACI Systems Alemania (ACISA) came after weeks of protests from residents of the Potosí area. The region has 50% to 70% of the world's lithium reserves in the Salar de Uyuni salt flats.

    Among other clients, ACISA provides batteries to Tesla; Tesla's stock rose Monday after the weekend.

    As Bloomberg News noted in 2018, that has set the country up to be incredibly important in the next decade:

    Demand for lithium is expected to more than double by 2025.
    The soft, light mineral is mined mainly in Australia, Chile, and Argentina. Bolivia has plenty—9 million tons that have never been mined commercially, the second-largest amount in the world—but until now there's been no practical way to mine and sell it.

    Morales' cancellation of the ACISA deal opened the door to either a renegotiation of the agreement with terms delivering more of the profits to the area's population or the outright nationalization of the Bolivian lithium extraction industry.

    As Telesur reported in June, the Morales government announced at the time it was "determined to industrialize Bolivia and has invested huge amounts to ensure that lithium is processed within the country to export it only in value-added form, such as in batteries."

    It's unclear what the next steps are for the industry in a post-coup Bolivia, according to global intelligence analysis firm Stratfor:

    In the longer term, continued political uncertainty will make it more difficult for Bolivia to increase its production of strategic metals like lithium or develop a value-added sector in the battery market. The poor investment climate comes at a time of expanding global opportunities in lithium-ion battery production to meet rising demand from electric vehicle manufacturing.

    ACISA told German broadcaster DW last week that the company was "confident that our lithium project will be resumed after a phase of political calmness and clarification."


    On Sunday, Morales resigned."

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitic...d-lithium-deal

    Bolivia: A Shaky Transition Lies Ahead After Morales Steps Down

    "As the political drama unfolds in the near future, it will be important to watch which side wins support from the country's political and military power brokers. Bolivia’s powerful mining interests (which account for nearly a third of the country's export revenue) have largely lined up behind Morales, with workers going on strike last week to show their support for him, indicating a growing risk of further strikes ahead that could disrupt short-term mining production. S&P Global already reported that Bolivian export traffic through Chile had declined amid the unrest."

    https://worldview.stratfor.com/artic...thium-protests
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    You do post some bollocks.

    He tried to fix an election to stay in power and was found out.

    His reaction was to call for another election.

    So the people rioted and the army forced him out.

    Simply another story of a South American dictator doing anything so that him and his cronies can keep their snouts in the trough.

    You fucking love those, don't you HoHo?

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    In Bolivia's second city, the economically vibrant Santa Cruz de la Sierra, the majority there really didn't make secret their loathing of Morales. There had been talk of secession of of the Santa Cruz department. After all, they reckon, the department accounts for around 40% of the economy of the country, but they feel that they were not getting back what they were putting into it. I kind of see their point. The international airport is in desperate need of modernisation, it's a tatty old place, but the resources that should have been made by the Bolivian government haven't been made available.
    Pues, aquí estamos.

    All Blacks!

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    I notice he has been allowed to escape to Mexico. Presumably that's where the bank accounts are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thaiguzzi View Post
    You have to remember that America has never suffered any wars, bombing, mass population death, or terrible suffering on home soil (Pearl Harbour does'nt count) since the civil war in the 1700's.
    Unlike the rest of the world especially Europe, Russia and the ME.
    So, the cvnts who run the USA have no preconceptions of internal home suffering, and just like to dish it out.
    They are also over paranoid about Commies, Weed, and Fluoride in the water...........


    The the civil war was mid 1800

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65
    The the civil war was mid 1800
    How was life as a teenager back then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    How was life as a teenager back then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Simply another story of a South American dictator
    Luckily, we have got here an expert on "dictators"...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    Luckily, we have got here an expert on "dictators"...
    No we would not want to step on your ground comrade.

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    When the US Supports It, It's Not a Coup

    The media message from the Bolivia case is clear: A coup is not a coup if we like the outcome.



    Army generals appearing on television to demand the resignation and arrest of an elected civilian head of state seems like a textbook example of a coup. And yet that is certainly not how corporate media are presenting the weekend’s events in Bolivia.

    NYT: Bolivian Leader Evo Morales Steps Down

    When the military forces the elected president to “step down” (New York Times, 11/10/19), there’s a four-letter word for that.

    No establishment outlet framed the action as a coup; instead, President Evo Morales “resigned” (ABC News, 11/10/19), amid widespread “protests” (CBS News, 11/10/19) from an “infuriated population” (New York Times, 11/10/19) angry at the “election fraud” (Fox News, 11/10/19) of the “full-blown dictatorship” (Miami Herald, 11/9/19). When the word “coup” is used at all, it comes only as an accusation from Morales or another official from his government, which corporate media have been demonizing since his election in 2006 (FAIR.org, 5/6/09, 8/1/12, 4/11/19).

    The New York Times (11/10/19) did not hide its approval at events, presenting Morales as a power-hungry despot who had finally “lost his grip on power,” claiming he was “besieged by protests” and “abandoned by allies” like the security services. His authoritarian tendencies, the news article claimed, “worried critics and many supporters for years,” and allowed one source to claim that his overthrow marked “the end of tyranny” for Bolivia. With an apparent nod to balance, it did note that Morales “admitted no wrongdoing” and claimed he was a “victim of a coup.” By that point, however, the well had been thoroughly poisoned.

    CNN (11/10/19) dismissed the results of the recent election, where Bolivia gave Morales another term in office, as beset with “accusations of election fraud,” presenting them as a farce where “Morales declared himself the winner.” Time’s report (11/10/19) presented the catalyst for his “resignation” as “protests” and “fraud allegations,” rather than being forced at gunpoint by the military. Meanwhile, CBS News (11/10/19) did not even include the word “allegations,” its headline reading, “Bolivian President Evo Morales Resigns After Election Fraud and Protests.”

    Delegitimizing foreign elections where the “wrong” person wins, of course, is a favorite pastime of corporate media (FAIR.org, 5/23/18). There is a great deal of uncritical acceptance of the Organization of American States’ (OAS) opinions on elections, including in coverage of Bolivia’s October vote (e.g., BBC, 11/10/19; Vox, 11/10/19; Voice of America, 11/10/19), despite the lack of evidence to back up its assertions. No mainstream outlet warned its readers that the OAS is a Cold War organization, explicitly set up to halt the spread of leftist governments. In 1962, for example, it passed an official resolution claiming that the Cuban government was “incompatible with the principles and objectives of the inter-American system.” Furthermore, the organization is bankrolled by the US government; indeed, in justifying its continued funding, US AID argued that the OAS is a crucial tool in “promot[ing] US interests in the Western hemisphere by countering the influence of anti-US countries” like Bolivia.

    In contrast, there was no coverage at all in US corporate media of the detailed new report from the independent Washington-based think tank CEPR, which claimed that the election results were “consistent” with the win totals announced. There was also scant mention of the kidnapping and torture of elected officials, the ransacking of Morales’ house, the burning of public buildings and of the indigenous Wiphala flag, all of which were widely shared on social media and would have suggested a very different interpretation of events.

    Words have power. And framing an event is a powerful method of conveying legitimacy and suggesting action. “Coups,” almost by definition, cannot be supported, while “protests” generally should be. Chilean President Sebastian Piñera, a conservative US-backed billionaire, has literally declared war on over a million people demonstrating against his rule. Corporate media, however, have framed that uprising not as a protest, but rather a “riot” (e.g., NBC News, 10/20/19; Reuters, 11/9/19; Toronto Sun, 11/9/19). In fact, Reuters (11/8/19) described the events as Piñera responding to “vandals” and “looters.” Who would possibly oppose that?

    Morales was the first indigenous president in his majority indigenous nation—one that has been ruled by a white European elite since the days of the conquistadors. While in office, his Movement Towards Socialism party has managed to reduce poverty by 42% and extreme poverty by 60%, cut unemployment in half and conduct a number of impressive public works programs. Morales saw himself as part of a decolonizing wave across Latin America, rejecting neoliberalism and nationalizing the country’s key resources, spending the proceeds on health, education and affordable food for the population.

    His policies drew the great ire of the US government, Western corporations and the corporate press, who function as the ideological shock troops against leftist governments in Latin America. In the case of Venezuela, Western journalists unironically call themselves “the resistance” to the government, and describe it as their No. 1 goal to “get rid of Maduro,” all the while presenting themselves as neutral and unbiased actors.

    The media message from the Bolivia case is clear: A coup is not a coup if we like the outcome.

    https://www.commondreams.org/views/2...t-its-not-coup
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    I'd rather have Evo than this nutter...

    Bolivian coup leader Luis Fernando Camacho is a far-right multi-millionaire who arose from fascist movements in the Santa Cruz region, where the US has encouraged separatism. He has courted support from Colombia, Brazil, and the Venezuelan opposition.
    By Max Blumenthal and Ben Norton
    When Luis Fernando Camacho stormed into Bolivia’s abandoned presidential palace in the hours after President Evo Morales’s sudden November 10 resignation, he revealed to the world a side of the country that stood at stark odds with the plurinational spirit its deposed socialist and Indigenous leader had put forward.

    With a Bible in one hand and a national flag in the other, Camacho bowed his head in prayer above the presidential seal, fulfilling his vow to purge his country’s Native heritage from government and “return God to the burned palace.”

    “Pachamama will never return to the palace,” he said, referring to the Andean Mother Earth spirit. “Bolivia belongs to Christ.”
    http://<br /> https://www.google.co...o-camacho/amp/
    This fascist has effectively told over 60% of Bolivia's population to go fuck themselves.

    Charming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by happynz View Post
    I'd rather have Evo than this nutter...


    This fascist has effectively told over 60% of Bolivia's population to go fuck themselves.

    Charming.
    Sounds like a bit of a nutter.

    Anyway, the senior ranking member of government, Jeanine Anez, has declared herself interim president and said that she will call elections at the earliest opportunity.

    But there is of course a legal issue because Morales' party boycotted it to make sure that she does not have quorum.

    The Army are the ones that instigated this, I would imagine they will want a free and fair election so everything quiets down and they can disappear back into the shadows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    The Army are the ones that instigated this, I would imagine they will want a free and fair election so everything quiets down and they can disappear back into the shadows.

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