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    this is going to be an interesting election,

    what are you guys going to vote since it's a not a left or right choice anymore

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    One is conflicted, Butters.

    LibDem is a natural vote to stymie Brexit and despite what anyone says they will get into bed with Labour, etc when/if the time comes which in turn would tone down the 'socialist' element of Labour policy strategy.

    But, on the other hand, I love the new marxist manifesto of Labour with its re-nationalisation and greater wealth distribution which if they were to win would drive the Tory/ERG/Tax wing insane with rage and fiscal fear which is an eminently satisfying prospect on its own. And in any event, if they were to win a goodly number of seats they too would ditch th rhetoric and get into bed with the Liberals or just the SNP if the numbers add up.

    But then, a vote for BoJo the Clown and the mad ERG nazis giving them a majority will be the fastest route to the destruction of the UK ensuring Irish unification, Scottish independence and class warfare in Engerwales when the masses fall further into debt slavery and wallow in dismal recession.

    Option 1) is the best for a stronger £ and stability and a quicker return to normality once the ERG scum are buried.

    But then, a burning, fractured Britain in ruins and riots .............

    It's a tough one.

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    Chitty you are going to vote Tory, I assume, not for the LibDem wankers

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    Tough call then, if Labor wins, it will be quite an achievement

    there was a nice debate on Brexit on French TV yesterday, with guests from the UK, Tories conservatives and local journalists

    well analyzed debate and explanation, but the conclusion for everyone was the same: we don't what comes next, even from the British political experts

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    Well it's fucking mental, but they are going to get the Extinction Rebellion votes


    The Green Party has launched its General Election campaign with a pledge to spend £100 billion a year on tackling the climate emergency.
    The party is hoping to borrow more than £900 billion over the next decade in a bid to rid the UK of fossil fuels.

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    I'm starting to lean to the left...
    The UK General Election 2019-screenshot_2019-11-07-23-11-35-a

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chittychangchang View Post
    I'm starting to lean to the left...
    The UK General Election 2019-screenshot_2019-11-07-23-11-35-a
    This is how they got so many votes last time:

    Promise everything

    (no way to pay for it, and they just hope they don't get elected because it'll be the end of Labour...)

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    One of your most absurd posts ever, and that’s really saying something.

    Labour are hoping they don’t win.

    Okey Dokey.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    This is how they got so many votes last time:

    Promise everything

    (no way to pay for it, and they just hope they don't get elected because it'll be the end of Labour...)
    That's why they complained long and loud when the other party tried to have the civil service costing all their daft pledges before purdah started.

    Hundreds of billions promised so far, but no clue where the funding will come from.

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    As a consequence of the bankster inspired crash in 2008, government borrowing has fallen from around a deficit of £150 billions to around £25 billions in the ensuing decade, a draconian drop that has in effect shattered the British infrastructure involving an erosion in our social landscape that has predominantly affected the poor, the vulnerable, the elderly, the young and the ordinary man trying to subsist in adversity. Modest estimates suggest that to restore transport, health, education and policing to a standard commensurate with a level that prevailed in 2010 would take an immediate injection of £400 billions.

    The ERG/BoJo scum know that their brand is tainted with this austerity excess which is why Sajid Javid is now offering to spend billions in order to retrieve ground lost among those who might swing to the LibDems and Labour whose election pledges he is now matching.

    But it really doesn't matter, Brexit will wipe out 5% of GDP and tax revenues will fall inevitably meaning the £ will come under even more pressure.

    Th future is economic chaos underpinned by a devalued currency irrespective of whoever wins - Brexit is a virus that will taint everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    The ERG/BoJo scum know that their brand is tainted with this austerity excess which is why Sajid Javid is now offering to spend billions in order to retrieve ground lost
    And they've finally remembered the Thatcher maxim: don't screw the police at the same time as you're screwing the less fortunate.

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    For the benefit of Cyrille and seekingass, it's worth pointing out that this is an election thread, and not a Brexit thread.
    I suggest you keep your infantile bile in the correct thread.

    Increasing spending on community infrastructure is not political, It's Keynesian economic philosophy.

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    The economy is an intrinsic element in any election debate and the greatest, single, most critically crucial factor in all of it is Brexit, you fucking idiot.

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    All that pre-op fellatio before breakfast has rotted his brain.

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    For the benefit of switch, the general election was called because of the deadlock on Brexit. Bo-Jo had just secured a majority for his deal in the house. If he'd allowed them a week or two to discuss it then Brexit could have been realised.

    Your hebetudinous ways are becoming a bore...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chittychangchang View Post
    I wouldn't call her dumb, far from it.

    She's a greedy, cunning, fvcking bitch...


    Unbelievable, Check it out.....

    JO SWINSON is one of the strongest advocates for Remain and has repeatedly pledged to stop Brexit and revoke Article 50 if the Liberal Democrats won a majority at the next election. But what do you know about her personal life?


    Jo Swinson is the leader of the
    Liberal Democrats having been elected in July, replacing Vince Cable. She is the first woman and the youngest person to have ever held the position. She has been the MP for East Dunbartonshire since 2017, having previously held the seat from 2005 to 2015. When the Lib Dems entered into a coalition government with the Conservative Party, Ms Swinson held the position of parliamentary private secretary to deputy prime minister Nick Clegg. Over the next two days, Ms Swinson is attending debates, speeches, policy discussions and more at the Lib Dems Autumn Conference in Bournemouth, but is her husband with her and who actually is he?



    Swinson fails to declare family company was given 3.5m euro by the European Union


    She voted for the LibCon Bedroom Tax that mired millions of the poorest in costs they could not afford. She voted for the LibCon Welfare reforms which attacked the finances of those least able to withstand the onslaught. She voted for the LibCon policy to treble the tuition fees of students least able to pay.
    Could it get worse for Jo Swinson? In a word, yes.

    “IT LOOKS LIKE JO SWINSON’S PASSION TO STOP BREXIT OR A NO-DEAL BREXIT “AT ANY COST” HAS TERMS AND CONDITIONS APPLIED.
    Swinson’s point blank and quite illogical refusal to join the cross-party coalition to prevent a no-deal Brexit has a 3.5m euro explanation. And the irony of the whole context goes to show that the LibDems are as insincere and deceitful as they ever were.”
    This is political dynamite. The European Union gave a 3.5m euro donation to Transparency International, which in peak irony is supposed to be an anti corruption watchdog with a mandate to foster, erm, transparency.

    It is run by Jo Swinson’s husband. Has Jo Swinson declared this conflict of interest to the House of Commons? No.
    Is that a breach of House of Commons protocol? Yes.
    Is it a breach of the law? Yes.
    So who is Jo Swinson’s husband? His name is Duncan Hames. He is the director of policy at Transparency International UK.
    He also used to be the Liberal Democrat MP for the Chippenham constituency in Wiltshire, holding the seat during the disasterous Cameron/Clegg coalition government responsible for the deaths of 130,000 poor, sick and disabled people under their deadly “Welfare Reforms”.
    The same Welfare Reforms Iain Duncan Smith justified with the phrase “Work Frees People” – a sentence last seen, in German, above the entrance gates to Auschwitz.
    Unlike Lib Dems we aren’t prone to calling our opponents “Nazis” simply for disagreeing with our political opinions but in this instance, if the cap fits…
    During this period Mr Hames was Parliamentary Private Secretary to none other than David Cameron’s number 2, Nick Clegg.
    So as you can see, the Swinson family household has its fingerprints all over the social degradation our nation suffered during that horrendous 5 year period.
    The idea that the Liberal Democrats under Jo Swinson are the answer to our nations’ current predicament does not stand up to a single moment of scrutiny. For those who doubt this point, here is her record in Government:
    We'll it's quite clear why fake news is on the increase and who it's aimed at.

    You need to scratch beneath the surface of news like this chitty.

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    There was an interesting article on that by the BBC!

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-50160148


    Here's another BBC article...

    The Green Party have launched their general election campaign with a call for £100bn a year to be spent on tackling the climate "emergency".
    Co-leader Sian Berry said: "Some things are even bigger than Brexit. This must be the climate election. The future won't get another chance."
    The party says it would fund the pledge by borrowing £91.2bn a year, with an extra £9bn from "tax changes".
    The party also set out plans to make Britain carbon neutral by 2030.
    The government has already committed to cut carbon emissions to net zero by 2050, a move announced by former Prime Minister Theresa May before she left office earlier this year.


    At the Green Party for England and Wales election campaign launch in Bristol, Ms Berry said: "Let's be honest about the situation we're in. We know these are dark times. It's easy to fear the future.
    "The threat of Brexit hangs over our heads, the climate emergency rages from the Amazon to the Arctic, and our fragile democracy is under attack.
    "But despite all this, Greens don't fear the future.
    "We welcome the future. Because we know that we stand at the threshold of what could be the most exciting and prosperous period of British history."
    Standing aside?

    The Green Party supports another EU referendum and is in talks with the Liberal Democrats and Plaid Cymru about forming a "Remain alliance" to stop Brexit.
    The deal would see candidates stand aside for each other to increase the chances of a Remain-supporting MP being elected.
    Green Party co-leader Jonathan Bartley said the alliance hoped to target "around 50 seats", telling BBC Politics Live: "The idea is to get the biggest Remain party bloc in the Parliament."
    He admitted some local Green Party branches were against the idea of standing aside for a Lib Dem or Plaid Cymru candidate.
    "Some want to, some are not so keen," he said, but he hoped a deal would "go through" and would be announced "quite soon".
    Mr Bartley also defended the levels of borrowing needed to fulfil the Greens' pledges, saying the investment would create hundreds of thousands of new jobs and "pay for itself in the long run".
    "The climate emergency - if it comes to fruition - does not bear thinking about in terms of the cost of trillions to the economy," he told the Today programme.
    Elsewhere in the election campaign on Wednesday:

    • Boris Johnson is due to start the Conservative Party election campaign at a rally in the West Midlands and will say only his party can "get Brexit done"
    • In a speech in Telford, Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn said a Labour government should be judged on the "real change" it delivers and "the concrete improvements it makes to the lives of millions"
    • Liberal Democrat leader Jo Swinson launched her election "battle bus" in north London, pledging an extra £11bn for mental health care if her party is in government

    Reality Check: Where would the £100bn come from?

    By Tom Edgington, BBC Reality Check
    The Green Party is proposing to fund its key pledge by increasing government borrowing by £91bn a year.
    The remaining £9bn will come from tax changes, including an increase in corporation tax to 24%.
    This would represent a massive increase on current borrowing levels. The independent Institute for Fiscal Studies believes government borrowing will be £55bn this year.
    In terms of how £100bn compares to other areas of UK government spending, it's about the same that's spent on education each year.


    Deputy leader Amelia Womack also set out the Green Party's plan to make the country carbon neutral by 2030.
    This will be done, Ms Womack said, by building 100,000 energy efficient homes each year, by "revolutionising" transport infrastructure, a roll-out of renewable energy and creating "hundreds of thousands" of "low carbon jobs" - including, for example, workers installing insulation in homes.
    "This could be our last chance to elect a Parliament to keep us below dangerous warming," Ms Womack said.
    "The climate doesn't care about promises. The environment doesn't care about pledges.
    "What we need is action. And the Green Party has the single most ambitious and comprehensive plan to go carbon neutral by 2030 while delivering social justice across Britain."
    Image copyrightPA MEDIAImage captionMs Berry leads the Green Party alongside Jonathan BartleyLabour has also set out some of its own environmental pledges, including a promise to cut UK carbon emissions by 10% through a home improvement programme.
    A Labour government would fund £60bn of energy-saving upgrades, such as loft insulation, enhanced double glazing and new heating systems, by 2030.
    The Conservatives say they have "a proper plan to continue reducing carbon emissions" which will build on the "400,000 low carbon jobs we've already created [while in government]".

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50305284

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    This is how they got so many votes last time:

    Promise everything

    (no way to pay for it, and they just hope they don't get elected because it'll be the end of Labour...)
    Fvck it! I'm voting Labour, 10 years of living it up will do for me, fvck the future it's here and now that matters...

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    Well, Labour, the Greens and the Liberals are insane - but, some folks will vote for them; far huger hit on the economy from those parties getting into power than Brexit, btw...

    The Conservatives will likely increase the wealth divide; they say nice stuff, but there's no doubting the end result is often the opposite...

    Total load of fukers all around, glad I don't live there, pulled my application for UK grant money, as I just don't wanna go back to that toxic place.

    To please Mr Sausage and the like, I'll do a postal vote for the Brexit Party.
    Cycling should be banned!!!

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    conflict of interest
    Another synonym is:
    Lobbying...

    However, isn't it same as "corruption"? Depends on our leniency or disliking...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    To please Mr Sausage and the like, I'll do a postal vote for the Brexit Party.
    see you there!

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    That's 2 wasted votes...
    ...if the Brexit Party hasn't collapsed completely by election day.

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    Well, election days probably aren’t among its leader’s favourite things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    That's 2 wasted votes...
    ...if the Brexit Party hasn't collapsed completely by election day.
    Would be, if it does, though it will probably not be on ballot then.

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