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    "Tactical voting" seems to be the key phrase at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    He'd also have to give up his nice little number in Brussels if he stood, of course.
    He will probably lose that gig anyway early next year, unless you believe in a Brexit revoke but I think that is unlikely to happen.

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    I don’t think he’ll be giving it up anytime soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    Doesn't like football.
    As much as I hate the Labour Party.

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    Putting Brexit aside Corbyns re-nationalisation of everything seems like a great idea in theory.
    He needs to go back to his roots, then he may have a chance of fvcking up the country for a decade then the Tories can get back in and bleed us all dry.
    Rinse and repeat

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    Oh, you're completely missing the point that the BREXIT debacle has changed the face of British politics, and things will never be the same again.

    What a surprise. Not like you.




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    Will it be dominated by Brexit?

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    The thing is, there is a growing proportion of the population that will soon become the majority in a generation who will never own anything other than debt. Brexit is the fantasy currently being peddled by the right wing Kipper/Tory loons and raddled old tuskers that by sucking American and Asian cock in trade terms will mean everyone can own a unicorn in their sun dappled uplands provided the UK unshackles itself from the imagined rocks of EU hegemony.
    Never has an election been so distracted by such utter tosh but it seems that both sides are now hellbent on using massively increased public expenditure as a tool in achieving their respective doctrinal aims.
    Inflation and currency devaluation is the only certainty.
    At least Scotland and NI can uncouple themselves from this trajectory, but Engerwales is doomed to a decade plus of chaos and stagnation.

    Stagflation is now a certainty.
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    Ken Loach was on Question Time in the NE of England last week.

    It was like a carer trying to talk some sense into an entire hospital ward of the utterly deluded.

    I'm not sure anyone really does believe in the 'sun dappled uplands' though.

    BREXITers have just fastened onto leaving the EU like a bulldog fastened onto a dog pound worker's 'britches' in a Hanna-Barbera cartoon.

    No amount of chlorinated chicken is going to make them let go.

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    The majority of the British electorate are not sophisticated or politically astute, the Brexit vote simply confirmed that, and they prefer to vote according to their innate prejudices or degree of ignorance and stupidity.
    They reduce their decision-making to simplifications publicised through the media that is controlled largely by right wing vested interests.

    If you voted Brexit then you will be voting Tory.

    Certainly, if Corbyn, McDonnell, Abbot etc were no longer the frontbench, then a Labour/LibDm/SNP coalition government would be a racing certainty but they are and there it is - another hung parliament is therefore quite likely.

    As I said, Brexit is, was, and always shall be, Ebola for the British but their stupidity is as profound as their ignorance.

    Poor old Ken when Labour won their three elections from 1997 onwards his career was essentially moribund - to be a lower end benefit recipient was a career path in those days with over 3 million "disabled" drawing rations and another half million women engaged in baby farming, and just about everyone had their snout in the trough of self certificated mortgages . The guy feeds off misery and his star is in the ascendant again now that over 20 million have no savings, 10 million are variously on short time work, zero hours contracts, bogus tax credit self employment or Hobson-choice part-time work, and credit cards are being used to buy food.

    This is perhaps the most futile election in a century and one that will achieve nothing except chaos, economic recession and a diminution in world status in which the union will fracture and Britain will no longer qualify for G7 status or a seat on the the UN Security Council not least because Great Britain will no longer exist, either politically or geographically.
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    So much for the Tories being toast if no Brexit by now.

    Facts are facts, and Corbyn is Bojo's not very secret weapon to keep Corbyn out of DS.

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    so much for mass protest if Boris was going to delay Brexit and not go hard Brexit on Oct 31

    where is buriram and chass?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    So much for the Tories being toast if no Brexit by now.
    A prediction made by precisely nobody, ever.

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    hi squirrell, slow start today...

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    Yes, sometimes your comments are so dumbarsed that I can't get round to replying for a while.

    Maybe you could tell us what's wrong with hitting this lot?




    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...at-could-he-do



    Jeremy Corbyn has promised that a Labour government would go after super-rich people who exploit a “rigged system” to benefit themselves at the expense of the many.


    The Labour leader named five members of “the elite” he would target if he becomes prime minister: Mike Ashley, the owner of Sports Direct; Crispin Odey, a hedge fund boss who made millions betting against the pound in the run-up to the EU referendum; Jim Ratcliffe, the chief executive of the petrochemicals company Ineos; Rupert Murdoch, who owns the Sun and the Times; and Hugh Grosvenor, the Duke of Westminster, who controls a large central London property empire.


    “This election is a once-in-a-generation chance to transform our country, take on the vested interests holding people back and ensure that no community is left behind,” Corbyn said as he launched Labour’s general election campaign in south London. “Together, we can pull down a corrupt system and build a fairer country that genuinely does care for all.”

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    look like that coward of Nigel won't be running

    hey, buriram, your hero is running away again from his duties

    General election 2019: Nigel Farage will not stand as candidate
    https://www.bbc.com/news/election-2019-50280848

    Nigel Farage has said he will not be standing as a candidate in the general election on 12 December.

    The Brexit Party leader told the BBC's Andrew Marr he had thought "very hard" but had decided he could "serve the cause better" by supporting his party's 600 candidates "across the UK".

    "I don't want to be in politics for the rest of my life," he said.

    Jeremy Corbyn said Mr Farage's decision was "a bit weird" given the Brexit Party hopes to stand in most places.

    The Labour leader said: "It's obviously his decision. It's a bit weird to lead a political party that is apparently contesting all or most of the seats up in the election and he himself is not offering himself for election."

    Mr Farage, who has stood unsuccessfully for Parliament seven times and currently sits in the European Parliament, also also criticised the PM's Brexit deal..

    The 55-year-old told BBC One's Andrew Marr Show the deal agreed earlier this month was "virtually worse that being in the EU".

    "If Boris Johnson was going for a genuine Brexit, we wouldn't need to fight against him in this election," he said.

    On Friday, the prime minister rejected an alliance with Mr Farage's Brexit Party, telling BBC political editor Laura Kuenssberg doing deals with "any other party... simply risks putting Jeremy Corbyn into Number 10".

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    Interesting link, Norts.

    I'd like to see the Conservatives over 50% by themselves because there won't be many remoaner Conservatives voted in.



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    Cycling should be banned!!!

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    A swing of just under 6% would see a Labour majority and a possibility of Bo-Jo losing his seat.

    That would be rather fun...

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    I see Jo Swinson a member for the EU gravy train is trying to bribe the electorate with a £50 Billion remain bonus.
    Next she'll be offering free University fees for English students.
    No worries in Scotland, they're already free until the SNP fvck it up.

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    English students have to pay tuition fees for first degree courses? My word, wasn't I one of the lucky ones...we even got a grant in my day.

    Gap closing according to the latest polls. Brexit party ought to retire gracefully, especially with its leader too scared to run.

    If Corbyn stepped down Labour would probably steal the show...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chittychangchang View Post
    I see Jo Swinson a member for the EU gravy train is trying to bribe the electorate with a £50 Billion remain bonus
    Just watched her on Sky News. What a dumb fcuking bitch she is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    Just watched her on Sky News. What a dumb fcuking bitch she is.
    I wouldn't call her dumb, far from it.

    She's a greedy, cunning, fvcking bitch...


    Unbelievable, Check it out.....

    JO SWINSON is one of the strongest advocates for Remain and has repeatedly pledged to stop Brexit and revoke Article 50 if the Liberal Democrats won a majority at the next election. But what do you know about her personal life?


    Jo Swinson is the leader of the
    Liberal Democrats having been elected in July, replacing Vince Cable. She is the first woman and the youngest person to have ever held the position. She has been the MP for East Dunbartonshire since 2017, having previously held the seat from 2005 to 2015. When the Lib Dems entered into a coalition government with the Conservative Party, Ms Swinson held the position of parliamentary private secretary to deputy prime minister Nick Clegg. Over the next two days, Ms Swinson is attending debates, speeches, policy discussions and more at the Lib Dems Autumn Conference in Bournemouth, but is her husband with her and who actually is he?



    Swinson fails to declare family company was given 3.5m euro by the European Union


    She voted for the LibCon Bedroom Tax that mired millions of the poorest in costs they could not afford. She voted for the LibCon Welfare reforms which attacked the finances of those least able to withstand the onslaught. She voted for the LibCon policy to treble the tuition fees of students least able to pay.
    Could it get worse for Jo Swinson? In a word, yes.

    “IT LOOKS LIKE JO SWINSON’S PASSION TO STOP BREXIT OR A NO-DEAL BREXIT “AT ANY COST” HAS TERMS AND CONDITIONS APPLIED.
    Swinson’s point blank and quite illogical refusal to join the cross-party coalition to prevent a no-deal Brexit has a 3.5m euro explanation. And the irony of the whole context goes to show that the LibDems are as insincere and deceitful as they ever were.”
    This is political dynamite. The European Union gave a 3.5m euro donation to Transparency International, which in peak irony is supposed to be an anti corruption watchdog with a mandate to foster, erm, transparency.

    It is run by Jo Swinson’s husband. Has Jo Swinson declared this conflict of interest to the House of Commons? No.
    Is that a breach of House of Commons protocol? Yes.
    Is it a breach of the law? Yes.
    So who is Jo Swinson’s husband? His name is Duncan Hames. He is the director of policy at Transparency International UK.
    He also used to be the Liberal Democrat MP for the Chippenham constituency in Wiltshire, holding the seat during the disasterous Cameron/Clegg coalition government responsible for the deaths of 130,000 poor, sick and disabled people under their deadly “Welfare Reforms”.
    The same Welfare Reforms Iain Duncan Smith justified with the phrase “Work Frees People” – a sentence last seen, in German, above the entrance gates to Auschwitz.
    Unlike Lib Dems we aren’t prone to calling our opponents “Nazis” simply for disagreeing with our political opinions but in this instance, if the cap fits…
    During this period Mr Hames was Parliamentary Private Secretary to none other than David Cameron’s number 2, Nick Clegg.
    So as you can see, the Swinson family household has its fingerprints all over the social degradation our nation suffered during that horrendous 5 year period.
    The idea that the Liberal Democrats under Jo Swinson are the answer to our nations’ current predicament does not stand up to a single moment of scrutiny. For those who doubt this point, here is her record in Government:


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    Labour's promise to "get Brexit sorted" within six months of winning power has been dismissed as "fairy tale politics" by the Conservatives in the first clash of the election campaign on the issue.
    In a speech in Essex, Jeremy Corbyn said his plan to get a better deal and then put it to the public in another referendum was "clear and simple".
    He said a deadline to hold the vote next summer was "realistic and doable".
    But the Tories said Labour's plan would result in "paralysing uncertainty".
    However, the Conservative commitment to negotiate a new free trade deal with the EU in just over a year is also coming under scrutiny.
    It took seven years for the EU to conclude a free trade deal with Canada, an agreement which many Brexiteers see as a template for the UK. Any deal would need to be agreed by all 27 remaining EU states before it could come into force.
    Michael Gove, the minister in charge of Brexit planning, said a majority Conservative government would "absolutely not" extend the transition period after the UK's departure from the EU - under Mr Johnson's deal it is due to end at the start of 2021.
    Pressed on whether this could ultimately lead to a no-deal exit - with the UK defaulting to World Trade Organisation rules - if no free trade deal could be agreed by that point, he pointed out that Mr Johnson had been able to secure major changes to the current withdrawal agreement in "just 90 days".
    Ex-Justice Secretary David Gauke, who lost the Tory whip after rebelling over Brexit, said it would be "reckless" to exit transition without a trade deal and MPs must get a vote before this happened.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50300224

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    The UK's main parties are gearing up for a general election on 12 December.
    These national votes, to choose a government to run the country, are supposed to be held every five years.
    But this would be the third since 2015.
    What is an election for?

    A total of 650 people will be chosen as members of Parliament (MPs), to decide laws and policies.
    MPs are elected to the House of Commons, one of two chambers of Parliament in London, where the government is based.
    What do voters care about more, the NHS or Brexit?

    Detailed proposals for everything from the economy to defence and policing are set out before any general election in manifestos.
    These come from the UK's political parties - groups of people with similar political beliefs who come together to try to win power.
    The issues UK voters care most about have changed a lot, according to the polls.
    The National Health Service (NHS) and immigration were the things that most concerned voters in 2015.
    The European Union (EU) was of far less interest.
    Now, however, Brexit - the UK's departure from the EU - is by far the biggest issue.
    Why have an election now?

    Nearly three-and-a-half years after the UK voted for Brexit in the 2016 referendum, it has not happened.
    Politicians are divided: some want the UK to leave the EU as soon as possible, some would prefer another referendum, and others to cancel Brexit altogether.
    Prime Minister Boris Johnson doesn't have enough MPs to easily pass new laws.
    He hopes an early election will increase the number of Conservative MPs, making his Brexit plans easier to achieve.
    The next general election was due to be in 2022, but Parliament has now agreed to hold an early election.
    How does voting work?

    In a general election, the UK's 46 million voters are invited to choose an MP for their area - one of 650 constituencies.
    Anyone aged 18 or over can vote, as long as they are registered and a British citizen or qualifying citizen of the Commonwealth or Republic of Ireland.
    Older people are more likely than younger ones to vote. At the 2017 general election, 59% of 20- to 24-year-olds voted, compared with 77% of 60- to 69-year-olds.
    Voting takes place at local polling stations, set up in places such as churches and school halls. Voters put a cross on the ballot paper beside the name of their chosen candidate and drop it into a sealed ballot box.
    How are the winners chosen?

    The candidate with the most votes in each constituency is elected to the House of Commons.
    To win, they simply need more votes than anyone they are standing against. They could receive fewer than half of the votes in their constituency.
    Most MPs represent a political party but some stand for election as independent candidates.
    Any party with more than half the MPs (326) in the Commons usually forms the government. Parties with well below 50% of the national vote can take power as a result of the UK's voting system.
    If no party has a majority of MPs, the one with the most can form a coalition - or partnership - with one or more other parties to gain control.
    The prime minister is not directly voted for by the public. He or she is chosen by the winning party's MPs and appointed by the Queen, who is duty bound to follow their advice.
    What happened at the last election, in 2017?

    Every election since 1922 has been won by either the Conservative or Labour parties.
    They were again the two biggest parties in the 2017 vote but neither had enough MPs to form a majority government. The Conservatives were the biggest and they partnered with the Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) in order to win votes in the Commons.
    Since the election, the Conservatives and Labour have both lost MPs, while the Liberal Democrats have made gains.
    Parliament's second chamber is the House of Lords.
    Its members are not elected but are appointed by the Queen, on the prime minister's advice.
    Who can stand for Parliament?

    Most people over 18 on polling day can stand as a candidate - as long as they are a British citizen or a qualifying Commonwealth or Republic of Ireland citizen resident in the UK.
    They must also pay a £500 deposit, which will be lost if they do not get at least 5% of the votes in their constituency.
    Candidates must meet certain conditions - prisoners, civil servants, judges and members of the police and armed forces cannot stand.
    When do we find out the result?

    On general election day, voting takes place between 07:00 and 22:00. The results are declared through the night and the following day.
    When the overall result is known, the leader of the winning party, if there is one, visits Buckingham Palace to ask the Queen for permission to form a new government.
    Once they have that, which is a formality, they return to the traditional home of the prime minister 10 Downing Street.
    Often they will stand outside to deliver a speech about their party's plans for the coming years.

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    Jacob Rees-Mogg has made an utter tit of himself yet again...blaming the victims of the Grenfell fire for listening to the advice of the fire brigade. His forced apology wasn't too bright either.

    The Tories will be throwing shit at all the opposition, to be lapped up by the likes of chitty...but then, they're the ones with all the shit on their laps.

    I'm gonna love a Tory fail for Christmas...

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    Secretly I'm hoping Corbyn gets in!


    Could do with a decade of money getting flung about and the country being being bankrupt, the three day working week sounds good too.
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