Page 7 of 14 FirstFirst 1234567891011121314 LastLast
Results 151 to 175 of 337
  1. #151
    Member

    Join Date
    Sep 2019
    Last Online
    @
    Location
    Somewhere
    Posts
    766
    All the best , Boris.
    Insane to the membrane. shit.

  2. #152
    Thailand Expat jabir's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2016
    Last Online
    @
    Posts
    10,711
    Quote Originally Posted by Chittychangchang View Post
    Love or hate him, he's had more on his plate in his brief prime ministerial role than any of his predecessors.

    Hope he gets better soon.
    I'm sure he will, best care, none of this go home to self-quarantine and if it doesn't get better call your GP for an appointment in 3 weeks.

    Fwiw a leader in hospital does tend to have a unifying effect on the country, so they should keep him there with (hopefully false) worsening reports; maybe they could prop him up, puff out his cheeks with a thermometer sticking out of his gob for a SotU address.

    He should be proud the people care; wasn't much fuss when they packed off our future sovereign.

  3. #153
    Hansum Man! panama hat's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Last Online
    Today @ 06:46 PM
    Location
    Way, Way South of the border now - thank God!
    Posts
    21,730
    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    So how would you compare his performance with Thatcher, or Blair, who actually committed the country to war, against other agents of doom?
    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Ummm . . . he's filled his plate himself.
    Quote Originally Posted by Chittychangchang View Post
    Love or hate him, he's had more on his plate in his brief prime ministerial role than any of his predecessors.
    My response was to CCC's saying he had his plate full.

    How to compare, he's been there a few months - but from what I've seen he's bottom of the pile

  4. #154
    Thailand Expat

    Join Date
    Aug 2017
    Last Online
    Today @ 07:43 AM
    Location
    Sumatra
    Posts
    4,272
    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    My response was to CCC's saying he had his plate full.

    How to compare, he's been there a few months - but from what I've seen he's bottom of the pile
    I think it’s a fair question that will remain unanswered. Thatcher and Blair led the country in wartime. Johnson leads the country now. Like it or not, he will be held responsible for two momentous issues during his time as leader. Just as history judged them, he will be judged on two very important issues threatening the country.

  5. #155
    Hansum Man! panama hat's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Last Online
    Today @ 06:46 PM
    Location
    Way, Way South of the border now - thank God!
    Posts
    21,730
    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    I think it’s a fair question that will remain unanswered. Thatcher and Blair led the country in wartime. Johnson leads the country now. Like it or not, he will be held responsible for two momentous issues during his time as leader. Just as history judged them, he will be judged on two very important issues threatening the country.
    True. The Brexit issue is yet to be seen but he has failed in his Trump-esque efforts on the covid-19 front.

  6. #156
    disturbance in the Turnip baldrick's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Last Online
    Today @ 07:21 PM
    Location
    Heidleberg
    Posts
    22,347
    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    Just as history judged them
    he will fight them on the breathers

  7. #157
    Thailand Expat

    Join Date
    Aug 2017
    Last Online
    Today @ 07:43 AM
    Location
    Sumatra
    Posts
    4,272
    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    True. The Brexit issue is yet to be seen but he has failed in his Trump-esque efforts on the covid-19 front.
    You refuse to judge him, yet condemn his government response to the virus? An interesting position.

    The virus response will be driven by resource availability. I recall saying this when the first cases were revealed in UK. At least decisions were made based on science, resources and local conditions. Every government has a 50/50 chance of getting it right. Adapting to developments with strong decisive leadership might affect the spread, but with an unknown enemy, the chances of success are still resource and location limited. That 50/50 chance doesn’t change much.

  8. #158
    disturbance in the Turnip baldrick's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Last Online
    Today @ 07:21 PM
    Location
    Heidleberg
    Posts
    22,347
    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    At least decisions were made based on science, resources and local conditions.
    of course they were not - decisions were made based on the effect on the bottom line of the corporate backers vs how much they thought the electorate could bear before they revolted

    that is our reality and is best faced without the feelgood delusions

  9. #159
    Hansum Man! panama hat's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Last Online
    Today @ 06:46 PM
    Location
    Way, Way South of the border now - thank God!
    Posts
    21,730
    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    You refuse to judge him, yet condemn his government response to the virus? An interesting position.
    I said that for his Brexit actions history will judge, for his covid-19 debacle the results are already in and they didn't stem from a 50/50 chance of which direction was the correct one. His was the wrong one

  10. #160
    Thailand Expat

    Join Date
    Aug 2017
    Last Online
    Today @ 07:43 AM
    Location
    Sumatra
    Posts
    4,272
    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
    of course they were not - decisions were made based on the effect on the bottom line of the corporate backers vs how much they thought the electorate could bear before they revolted

    that is our reality and is best faced without the feelgood delusions
    I disagree. The NHS is probably the best resource available to the government. In order to protect that resource, measures were phased in the initial period, and public restrictions are even now, fairly limited. Again, the aim is to prevent the NHS from being overwhelmed.
    On the face of it, this approach seems quite sensible, although it does indicate that the service was not prepared for a response on this scale.

  11. #161
    Thailand Expat

    Join Date
    Aug 2017
    Last Online
    Today @ 07:43 AM
    Location
    Sumatra
    Posts
    4,272
    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    I said that for his Brexit actions history will judge, for his covid-19 debacle the results are already in and they didn't stem from a 50/50 chance of which direction was the correct one. His was the wrong one
    The response and any success or failure could equally apply to both events. The country has had a much longer look at the possibilities for future Brexit, so I could understand criticism of that future, but the coved 19 issue is still in the early stages in Ukraine. I will stick by my 50/50 chances on the virus response. Any other view you make is far too early to be correct.

  12. #162
    Thailand Expat
    kmart's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Last Online
    Today @ 10:12 AM
    Location
    Rayong.
    Posts
    11,412
    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
    of course they were not - decisions were made based on the effect on the bottom line of the corporate backers vs how much they thought the electorate could bear before they revolted

    that is our reality and is best faced without the feelgood delusions
    Boris (and Trump) are caught in the headlights with the Covid outbreak. Neither wanting to sabotage their countries' economy and destroy the livelihoods of their citizens, but increasingly dependent on "advisers" and 'computer models' supplied by UK's Imperial College. Neither of which are being scrutinized by the media.

    Special report: The simulations driving the world’s response to COVID-19

  13. #163
    I'm in Jail

    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Last Online
    Today @ 06:18 PM
    Location
    TD has gone to the Dogs
    Posts
    10,475
    Quote Originally Posted by kmart View Post
    Boris (and Trump) are caught in the headlights with the Covid outbreak.
    Well they aren't alone or do you support the case that they are the worse two. I think the UKs response was muddled at the start but driven by advice from so called experts - i have no idea what model/advice the US was/is following but it isn't the same.

    Regards Imperial College, which model would you prefer? Seems your agenda is directing your examination of this imo.

  14. #164
    disturbance in the Turnip baldrick's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Last Online
    Today @ 07:21 PM
    Location
    Heidleberg
    Posts
    22,347
    Quote Originally Posted by kmart View Post
    their countries' economy
    all the "first" world economies were teetering on the brink of insolvency and this disease outbreak was one of many things that could have started the fall

    the constant trying to protect them is wallpapering over the holes in the sides of the ship - the whole sh1tshow needs to be changed

    this boy is a bit of a seppo blowhard , but he has some points in this post - oftwominds-Charles Hugh Smith: The Lockdown Wouldn't Be So Devastating If Our Economy Wasn't So Rigged, Brittle and Exploitive

  15. #165
    Member
    Edmond's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2020
    Last Online
    @
    Location
    Jomtien.
    Posts
    213
    I'm probably not the only one that clicked on this thinking that he carked it.

  16. #166
    I'm in Jail

    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Last Online
    Today @ 06:18 PM
    Location
    TD has gone to the Dogs
    Posts
    10,475
    Just a tester really, a mild one to see how we cope.

  17. #167
    Thailand Expat
    Dragonfly's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2015
    Last Online
    Today @ 06:41 PM
    Posts
    14,468
    indeed, the start of the new Chinese Millennium, destroying all his enemies at once with a micro-organism

    very chinese Art of War stuff

  18. #168
    I'm in Jail

    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Last Online
    Today @ 06:18 PM
    Location
    TD has gone to the Dogs
    Posts
    10,475
    Well this news from the Beeb is going to piss off Sausages and the Ex-leader of the RMT Union who were hoping for a more final result.

    UK PM Boris Johnson leaves hospital after being treated for coronavirus, but will not immediately return to work

  19. #169
    Thailand Expat
    aging one's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Last Online
    Today @ 07:21 PM
    Posts
    18,250
    Quote Originally Posted by NamPikToot View Post
    Posts
    9,994

    Tonight's the Night as Rod Stewart would say. Onya Rod...

  20. #170
    I'm in Jail

    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Last Online
    Today @ 06:18 PM
    Location
    TD has gone to the Dogs
    Posts
    10,475
    That cure for obsession not working eh.

    Quote Originally Posted by aging one View Post
    Onya Rod...
    Ron not Rod.

  21. #171
    Thailand Expat

    Join Date
    Sep 2014
    Last Online
    Today @ 02:43 PM
    Posts
    14,410
    Tactically, and strategically, it would have been better if The Clown had expired. It would then have finally hit home that the government had fucked up badly in failing to respond earlier and by his death illustrated graphically that no-one is impervious leading others to take the epidemic more seriously.

    For we Remainers it would have been a case of killing two birds with one stone and a moment to relish at leisure - the architect of the Brexit disaster carks it, killED by an epidemic he helped to create.

    Ah well.

  22. #172
    Thailand Expat

    Join Date
    Sep 2014
    Last Online
    Today @ 02:43 PM
    Posts
    14,410
    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    I disagree. The NHS is probably the best resource available to the government. In order to protect that resource, measures were phased in the initial period, and public restrictions are even now, fairly limited. Again, the aim is to prevent the NHS from being overwhelmed.
    On the face of it, this approach seems quite sensible, although it does indicate that the service was not prepared for a response on this scale.
    You fucking idiot, over the past decade the Tories have systematically deprived the NHS of the funding it needed to maintain service levels achieved by Labour up to 2008, and on at last two subsequent key strategic reviews refused to resource hospital trusts with enhanced ICU provision they so badly needed, ventilators and the personal protection wear for their staff. Even at a fundamental level, successive wretched Tory governments have attacked the NHS by withdrawing bursaries for nursing education as long ago as fucking 2011/12.

    Against that background of criminal dereliction the government, despite dire warnings from Italy and the WHO, did fuck all until March 21, three weeks after the dead were stacked like cordwood in Lombardy, and two weeks after the whole of Denmark shut itself down.

    Ten thousand dead....." this approach seems sensible "!!!???

    The arrant stupidity manifested by the senile on this forum is truly quite depressing.

  23. #173
    Thailand Expat

    Join Date
    Aug 2017
    Last Online
    Today @ 07:43 AM
    Location
    Sumatra
    Posts
    4,272
    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    You fucking idiot, over the past decade the Tories have systematically deprived the NHS of the funding it needed to maintain service levels achieved by Labour up to 2008, and on at last two subsequent key strategic reviews refused to resource hospital trusts with enhanced ICU provision they so badly needed, ventilators and the personal protection wear for their staff. Even at a fundamental level, successive wretched Tory governments have attacked the NHS by withdrawing bursaries for nursing education as long ago as fucking 2011/12.

    Against that background of criminal dereliction the government, despite dire warnings from Italy and the WHO, did fuck all until March 21, three weeks after the dead were stacked like cordwood in Lombardy, and two weeks after the whole of Denmark shut itself down.

    Ten thousand dead....." this approach seems sensible "!!!???

    The arrant stupidity manifested by the senile on this forum is truly quite depressing.
    The NHS has been undermined by civil service reclalctrance, not by governments. Insisting on excess layers of administrators starves the hospitals of front line staff and any reasonable budget for medical equipment.
    On your own head be it.
    Stop trying to be clever and blame politicians. Any idiot can do that. Dig a little deeper and you will find those responsible for lack of funding, ensconced among the vulgar paper pushers in the CS.

  24. #174
    Thailand Expat VocalNeal's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Last Online
    Today @ 05:53 PM
    Location
    Bangkok
    Posts
    11,565
    Quote Originally Posted by kmart View Post
    Neither of which are being scrutinized by the media.
    Best laugh I've had today.

  25. #175
    Thailand Expat

    Join Date
    Sep 2014
    Last Online
    Today @ 02:43 PM
    Posts
    14,410
    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post

    The NHS has been undermined by civil service reclalctrance
    Do you hear voices in your head?

Page 7 of 14 FirstFirst 1234567891011121314 LastLast

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 3 users browsing this thread. (1 members and 2 guests)

  1. Mandaloopy

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •