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    Quote Originally Posted by Mandaloopy View Post
    His decision to cause further damage to the UK over the worthless fishing industry boggles the mind.

    Worthless?

    The fishing industry could be worth up to 3.5% of GDP.

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    ^ You need a buyer of fresh fish for best profit margin. Shellfish is the best margin and sold mainly to EU. Couldn't buy in local markets sometimes because better money abroad.

    No EU means no profitable market. A lose-lose situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    ^ You need a buyer of fresh fish for best profit margin. Shellfish is the best margin and sold mainly to EU. Couldn't buy in local markets sometimes because better money abroad.

    No EU means no profitable market. A lose-lose situation.
    Then why is the resolution of this issue so important to the EU?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    You need a buyer of fresh fish for best profit margin.
    Haven't the British already sold around 40% of the quotas to the Spanish,Dutch and Iceland?

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    No. The Scam of the quotas is that they are OWNED by the rich fuckers. Has nothing to do with nations and everything to do with a standard EU ponzi scheme. The ToRy Filth will approve of this.

    Al Kemal (also known by his stage name Boris Johnson) is a Blairite at heart. Cameron changed the Tory FIlth into a Blairite stooge party following the Saul Alinsky route to fascism. Cameron picked it up seemlessly, then onto Maybot who then handed the poison chalice over to Al Kemal

    There is no Parliament any more. It has been replaced by a government of occupation.

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    Yep true that the rich own the other 60% of quotas but Spain,Iceland and Holland have bought quotas

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    1 The five largest quota-holders control more than a third of UK fishing quota

    2 Four of the top five belong to families on the Sunday Times Rich List

    3 The fifth is a Dutch multinational whose UK subsidiary – North Atlantic Fishing Company – controls around a quarter of England’s fishing quota

    4 Around half of England’s quota is ultimately owned by Dutch, Icelandic, or Spanish interests

    5 More than half (13) of the top 25 quota holders have directors, shareholders, or vessel partners who were convicted of offences in Scotland’s £63m “black fish” scam – a huge, sophisticated
    fraud that saw trawlermen and fish processors working together to evade quota limits and land 170,000 tonnes of undeclared herring and mackerel

    6 One of the flagships of the “Brexit flotilla” – which sailed up the Thames in 2016 to demand the UK’s exit from the EU – is among the UK’s 10 biggest quota-holders

    7 Around 29% of UK fishing quota is directly controlled by Rich List families. Some of these families have investments in dozens of other fishing companies, meaning companies holding 37% of UK quota are wholly or partly owned by these Rich List families

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    Yep same as i seen

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chico View Post
    Yep same as i seen

    Indeed. MOre evidence that any "brexit" in the hands of the tory scum of Blairite filth is a scam; a ruse to deny the UK it's VETO whilst everything else remains unchanged.

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    see what happens this week

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chico View Post
    see what happens this week
    In a way what ever happens this week is immaterial. There has been no negotiation on Security and Defense, and this has not been reported. Why? Because we are not leaving the EU Defense union. Tories have sold the UK down the river completely.

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    I think you may find,they will discuss these matters after the UK has left the EU

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chico View Post
    I think you may find,they will discuss these matters after the UK has left the EU
    In what way? To withdraw the UK from the EU Defense Union? Oh no, that will never be discussed, only advanced hence why the Paras were under Belgium command in exercises recently despite officially (allegedly) being not in the EU now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus View Post
    In what way? To withdraw the UK from the EU Defense Union? Oh no, that will never be discussed, only advanced hence why the Paras were under Belgium command in exercises recently despite officially (allegedly) being not in the EU now.
    Is it possible that you are confusing NATO forces here. SHAPE, the nato HQ is in Brussels. Not all regional exercises are led by the EU. He command of specific exercises held under SHAPE is rotated between member states of NATO. Except for France who is a non participating member.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    Is it possible that you are confusing NATO forces here. SHAPE, the nato HQ is in Brussels. Not all regional exercises are led by the EU. He command of specific exercises held under SHAPE is rotated between member states of NATO. Except for France who is a non participating member.
    No not at all.

    European Union Force in Bosnia and Herzegovina - HOME

    Dig around on here. You will note the little picture top right.


    Sept 2020.


    The exercises were NOT military though. They were joint exercises as beaten up protestors and the like. All of the military hardware was supplied by the UK, and badged up as EUFOR.



    European Union Force in Bosnia and Herzegovina - Exercise Quick Response 2020, Day Two Highlights

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    Interesting. The Commander is an Austrian Maj Gen and his Chief of Staff is Hungarian.
    The Para COMPANY could be on a jolly from anywhere. 16 Bde or one of the 4 Para reservist companies?
    There is a commitment for NATIO reserves to be used after all.
    Not clear where they come from or who commands them but a Company training deployment, with a NATO remit seems most likely.

    Looking at the make up of this multi national force, it seems more like a UN peace keeping force. Will they all be required to wear sky blue berets or pink ones, if they ever deploy for real?

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    The look on the Indian guy's face at the end.



    What a clown bojo is.

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    The Observer view on Boris Johnson's imminent no-deal Brexit


    The shambolic, self-destructive and humiliating consequences of Brexit are finally coming into sharp focus. The emerging picture is worse than its most pessimistic opponents feared. As the mist of lies, illusions and jingoism created by Boris Johnson and other Tory opportunists lifts, we see not the sunlit uplands of a newly liberated nation but endless queues of fuming diesel lorries, fouling the air and blocking the lanes of the Garden of England.


    Miles-long lorry jams are but the most visible aspect of the approaching no-deal nightmare. The strangulation of Britain’s ports is already under way. Operators report unprecedented container backlogs, with some deliveries cancelled altogether. This is not a mere logistical, pandemic-related hiccup. It is an augury of panic-inducing food and medicine shortages, rising prices, and huge economic pain.


    Any half-sensible prime minister, faced by last spring’s escalating Covid emergency, would have asked the EU for an extension to the Brexit transition period. Brussels would have agreed; and British voters would have understood the delay. But gung-ho Johnson could not see it. Blinded by ego and his schoolboy brand of nostalgic English nationalism, he bumbled on towards the abyss. Now it beckons inexorably.


    This weekend’s talk of “sending in the gunboats” to repel French fishing boats is as ridiculous as it is damaging. Is the prime minister, channelling Churchill in his no-deal bunker, really preparing to take up arms against our closest European allies? And please don’t claim this is a clever bluff or last-minute negotiating ploy. It’s simply more evidence of government incompetence and shameful irresponsibility.


    The devastating chain reaction consequent on a no-deal exit will touch every corner of this land. Businesses of all stripes, exporters or not, will be punished by the ensuing downturn, which LSE modelling predicts will slash GDP by 8% over a decade. Already struggling communities will be worse hit. The jobs of voters in “red wall” seats in the Midlands and north of England that backed the Tories last year are in the sectors at highest risk from no deal and Covid. As with the pandemic, they will pay a disproportionate price. This is levelling down with a vengeance.


    Johnson’s main excuse for no-deal failure – that the EU offer infringes British sovereignty – reveals a deep ignorance. Sovereignty matters. But it is not indivisible, nor was it ever. In today’s real world – a world foreign to a man trapped in Kiplingesque imperial fantasy – sovereignty is shared and pooled, for the greater good and in a nation’s self-interest.


    Any trade deal, with anyone, requires sovereign concessions. There is no earthly reason why common rules cannot be agreed with the EU on this mutually beneficial basis, and calmly updated, when required, through future negotiations.


    No-deal Brexit not only irreparably damages Britain. It hurts our closest neighbours, too – old friends such as the Dutch, Irish and Danes, as well as competitors such as France. They will not quickly forgive a wantonly hostile act that undermines their principles and prosperity, nor should they. In the acrimonious blame game that Johnson appears determined to play, Britain’s reputation will be permanently trashed.


    People who take the Tories at their word – and there were nearly 14 million at last December’s election – have good cause today to believe they have been lied to on a truly epic scale. In June 2019, Johnson declared the chances of no deal were “a million-to-one against”. No deal would be “a failure of statecraft”. Now he says it will be “wonderful”. Is he a fool or knave? Answer: both.


    If he can grasp nothing else, Johnson – who was reportedly heard singing Waltzing Matilda in Downing Street last week – should remember that the song’s jolly swagman, with whom he clearly identifies, ultimately drowns in a billabong. With a bit of luck, no-deal will be Johnson’s last waltz.


    The Observer view on Boris Johnson's imminent no-deal Brexit | Brexit | The Guardian

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    ^ yet nothing about the human rights record of the country that pays your inflated tax free salary. You are are a dinosaur and also a massive hypocrite.

    Before you get on your high horse, of course your choice of employer is relevant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    yet nothing about.....
    a load of completely personal attacks that have nothing to do with the thread topic.

    imagine that.

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    a load of completely personal attacks that have nothing to do with the thread topic.
    much the same as the ridiculous article then that puts all the blame for a no deal on the uk, whereas the blame lies evenly split between both sides.



    But gung-ho Johnson could not see it. Blinded by ego and his schoolboy brand of nostalgic English nationalism, he bumbled on towards the abyss. If he can grasp nothing else, Johnson – who was reportedly heard singing Waltzing Matilda in Downing Street last week – should remember that the song’s jolly swagman, with whom he clearly identifies, ultimately drowns in a billabong. With a bit of luck, no-deal will be Johnson’s last waltz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    a load of completely personal attacks that have nothing to do with the thread topic.
    It's all he's got.

    Expect them to get more frequent, as the weakness of the BREXIT case becomes apparent even to the most...well, y'know.

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    COVID - many things, amongst them an opportunity for good old Tory cronyism...

    It’s been increasingly frustrating to witness the government’s reluctance to learn from its mistakes during the pandemic. One of the starkest and most easily rectified mistakes is the decision to outsource much of Britain’s Covid response.


    From PPE to testing kits, the government has outsourced billions of pounds’ worth of contracts to firms connected to the Tory party, many of which lacked relevant experience. Although it reached new heights during the pandemic, this wasn’t the first time the government’s outsourcing obsession had harmful effects. The list of scandals is long: who remembers when the army had to swoop in to provide security at the 2012 Olympics that G4S failed to deliver? Or the collapse of Carillion, when workers’ pensions went down the drain while executives still received their bonuses?


    With so many wasteful contracts handed out to Tory friends and donors during the Covid-19 crisis, the government’s approach to outsourcing has underlined the “one rule for them, another for us” mantra that surrounds Boris Johnson’s cabinet. But it has also shone a disturbing light on just how deeply the Tories have hollowed out our public services.

    When we gathered on our doorsteps to applaud our key workers, we weren’t clapping for Serco or Deloitte, and children weren’t banging pots and pans for management consultants. Yet instead of giving key workers in our public services a pay rise, this government contracted management consultants at Deloitte who were paid up to £1,000 a day to work on test and trace, a system that still isn’t up to scratch.


    It’s not just the public who should be frustrated. Qualified and experienced British businesses have been passed over by a government “chumocracy” that awarded contracts to firms with political connections (one company, run by a former neighbour of Matt Hancock, received a contract to provide Covid test kits after its owner exchanged WhatsApp messages with the health secretary).
    Continues...



    The price of the Tories' outsourcing obsession? Cronyism and waste | Rachel Reeves | Opinion | The Guardian

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