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    ^For you who knows it all....

    In December 2009 six doctors applied to the Oxford coroner's office to reopen the inquest, claiming that there was insufficient evidence for Hutton's conclusion of suicide.[180] Their request was turned down on legal advice, and they were informed that evidence relating to Kelly's death was to be kept kept secret for 70 years.[181][182]
    It is no exaggeration to say that between 1990 and his death in 2003, Dr Kelly probably did more to make the world a more secure place than anyone on the planet. Even among the elite group of international weapons inspectors, he was regarded with some awe, as the inspectors' inspector.[210]
    David Kelly (weapons expert) - Wikipedia

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    ^For you who knows it all....
    This is a written format forum - no one nows what you are thinking, no-one care what you are thinking but at least be clear about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    This is a written format forum - no one nows what you are thinking, no-one care what you are thinking but at least be clear about it.
    Once again you are wrong. I care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65 View Post
    Once again you are wrong. I care.
    Of course you care about indecipherable gibberish . . . you're another great proponent of it

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    ...back on topic: the slithery Ms. Maxwell's money:

    Mystery of Ghislaine Maxwell’s Wealth Hangs Over Sex-Abuse Case

    By Patricia Hurtado and Sophie Alexander
    July 17, 2020, 5:00 PM GMT+7 Updated on July 17, 2020, 7:11 PM GMT+7
    https://www.bloomberg.com/asia


    • Prosecutors say she received $20 million from Jeffrey Epstein
    • The defense has downplayed her wealth and ties to Epstein


    Ghislaine Maxwell Photographer: Laura Cavanaugh/Getty Images
    The daughter of one extremely rich man and the longtime confidante of another, Ghislaine Maxwell has always enjoyed proximity to wealth. But how much money she has herself is a mystery.

    Maxwell, who has pleaded not guilty to charges she recruited girls for sexual abuse by Jeffrey Epstein, is spending the next year in jail in part because her “opaque” finances led the judge overseeing the case to conclude she was an extraordinary flight risk.

    “At a basic level, the defense argument is that she cannot remember off the top of her head just how many millions of dollars she has,” Assistant U.S. Attorney Alison Moe said at Maxwell’s bail hearing on Tuesday. The prosecutor said Maxwell’s claims to have less than $1 million in the bank and no monthly income was “implausible.”

    Evidence of great wealth on Maxwell’s part, especially if the money came from Epstein, could bolster prosecutors’ depiction of her as fully complicit in his crimes. Her lawyers have so far suggested Maxwell, 58, is less wealthy than many believe and sought to distance her from Epstein’s private-jet and private-island lifestyle.

    Epstein, who died in jail last August in an apparent suicide after being arrested on sex-trafficking charges, left an estate estimated to be worth around $630 million.
    Nicholas Biase, a spokesman for Manhattan U.S. Attorney Audrey Strauss, and Mark Cohen, a lawyer for Maxwell, didn’t respond to emails seeking comment about Maxwell’s finances.

    At the bail hearing, prosecutors said they’d identified more than 15 different bank accounts associated with Maxwell from 2016 to the present with balances ranging from hundreds of thousands of dollars to more than $20 million. She sold a Manhattan townhouse for $15 million in 2016 and still has one in London that she offered as a bail guarantee.

    It’s also unclear whether Maxwell has access to funds from an unidentified spouse mentioned by prosecutors Tuesday. She previously toured the secluded New Hampshire estate where she was arrested July 2 with a man who said he was her husband. According to prosecutors, the property was actually purchased by Maxwell for $1 million in cash using a limited liability company. After she was arrested, she told authorities she didn’t know the name of the company that owned the house and that she merely had permission to stay there.

    Ghislaine Maxwell’s London home

    The government further said it had information that, between 2007 and 2011, more than $20 million was transferred from offshore accounts associated with Jeffrey Epstein to several associated with Maxwell. Millions were later transferred back.

    Jordan Waxman, managing partner of New York wealth management firm Nucleus Advisors, said $20 million seemed a low amount for someone using offshore accounts. It was possible that was just the tip of the iceberg, he said.

    “I would venture to say 20 is probably what they found so far and that the net worth would be substantially more,” said Waxman. “The other thing is Jeffrey Epstein allegedly was worth $570-or-so million. What was she doing as his No. 2 and only with $20 million?”

    Of course, Epstein’s operation was far from a typical money management business. He made a good part of his fortune advising lingerie titan Les Wexner on his money, real estate and other billionaire problems until the two cut ties in 2007. Epstein invested in hedge funds and advised other super-wealthy people, including Leon Black, on tax and philanthropy.

    There are no indications that Ghislaine directly helped Epstein with financial matters. Instead, Maxwell, who grew up in British high society and graduated from Oxford University, introduced Epstein to the global elite, including politicians and royalty.

    After arriving in New York in the wake of her father’s death and ensuing scandal, she grew tight with Epstein in the 1990s. They were initially romantically involved, but remained close, and Epstein called Maxwell his “best friend” in a 2003 Vanity Fair article. A trained helicopter pilot, she even transported him to his private island.
    At the hearing, Maxwell’s lawyer Cohen pushed back at the government’s claims about his client’s wealth, particularly allegations that she was “associated” with 15 accounts.

    “No detail, no explanation to the court, just more dirt,” Cohen said. “Well, she has three bank accounts that she disclosed.” He said it was possible there were other accounts related to a now-defunct non-profit that Maxwell formerly ran that they were willing to track down if the court deemed it important.
    Cohen also said proceeds from Maxwell’s Manhattan townhouse sale have already been depleted due to various liabilities and expenses, including “extensive, substantial litigation.” Maxwell in 2017 settled for undisclosed terms a defamation suit by Epstein victim Virginia Guiffre and is now paying four lawyers to defend her against criminal charges.

    In March, Maxwell sued Epstein’s estate to cover her legal costs, claiming he had always pledged to provide her with financial assistance.

    A major question hanging over Maxwell is whether she inherited considerable wealth from her father, British publishing tycoon Robert Maxwell. Once ranked among the world’s richest men, Maxwell died in 1991 as his media empire, which once included the New York Daily News, was crumbling and he began to default on massive loans. After his death, hundreds of millions of pounds were found to have been diverted from his companies’ pension funds.
    Though it’s often been assumed that Ghislaine Maxwell was left penniless by the scandals that engulfed her father’s company and led her older brother to declare the largest personal bankruptcy in U.K. history, federal prosecutors in New York raised the possibility that she still had substantial family money at her disposal.
    Swiss Trust

    “It is very unclear whether the defendant is receiving proceeds from trust accounts or an inheritance or means of other kinds,” prosecutor Moe said at Tuesday’s hearing. She said the government was aware of a Swiss trust benefiting Maxwell that held over $4 million last month and in which a relative served as trustee.
    Cohen countered that Maxwell disclosed her Swiss account in a filing with the Internal Revenue Service and said one of the fund transfers was due to the maturation of a $500,000 bond.

    Harvey Bezozi, an accountant and financial adviser in Greenwich, Connecticut, said it would make sense for Robert Maxwell to try to protect some wealth for his family. “I would imagine that the family inheritance or trust was constructed by a highly competent estate tax attorney,” he said.

    Much of Ghislaine Maxwell’s offshore wealth may remain elusive to U.S. authorities, said Waxman. “It could be an elaborate shell game -- where the peanut’s underneath the shell and it keeps moving around and there are more and more shells.”
    Majestically enthroned amid the vulgar herd

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    The $20m she received from Epstein is what's known, so that would be the minimum, between 2007-11.

    Investigators are probably working on what else she got before, during and after those periods, for doing nothing illegal.

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    ...I don't think we can be sure that any of her assets are "illegal"...unless she actually sold underage girls for profit and didn't report it to the IRS...

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
    ...I don't think we can be sure that any of her assets are "illegal"...unless she actually sold underage girls for profit and didn't report it to the IRS...

    hmmm, she could sell them for a loss and her assets would still be illegal. And certainly does not need the IRS to make it so either.

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    sell them at a loss?

    Perhaps sell them on the commodities market.

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    As long as Bill Barr is involved there will be no justice. Just more cover-ups and whitewashing. Barr is another DC 'fixer' like Robert Mueller.




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    Some of Barr's history...He will at the least protect Trump and his role in the Epstein affair.

    New Attorney General William Barr is proud he helped Elliott Abrams get a pardon for Iran-Contra
    William Barr is proud he helped Elliott Abrams get pardon for Iran-Contra

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    ...if the Epstein cases stretches beyond the 2021 inauguration (assuming tRump is tossed), there's nothing Barr can do to intervene...

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
    if the court deemed it important.
    One presumes if a person of "wealth" was requesting bail her financial assets, the ability to "disappear", would be a required consideration? Which the IRS would have a record of.

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    What has she got on Trump?

    A prominent group of Republicans opposing Donald Trump have released a new advertisement attacking the US president for his support of Ghislaine Maxwell, after the alleged “madam” for paedophile billionaire Jeffrey Epstein was arrested earlier this month.

    The Lincoln Project, which was founded by current and former high-profile conservatives such as George Conway, husband of White House adviser Kellyanne Conway, posted the ad to Twitter on Friday with the caption: “What does Ghislaine Maxwell have on @realDonaldTrump?”


    It shows Mr Trump berating a number of female journalists – with the ad saying at one point, “This is how Donald Trump speaks to accomplished women” – before flashing to a recent White House press briefing in which the president spoke about his relationship with Ms Maxwell over the years.



    “I just wish her well, frankly,” Mr Trump is heard saying in the briefing.

    A woman narrating the advertisement then says: “Just what does Maxwell have on Donald Trump? Why does he demean other women but treat the head of an alleged sex slave ring with respect? Does Donald Trump want Maxwell to keep quiet? America needs to know.”
    ‘What does Ghislaine Maxwell have on Trump,’ asks new attack ad by Lincoln Project | The Independent

    video in link

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    Wow that's explosive stuff, I hope it's not from the Grauniad or Independent so we could think about taking it seriously.

    Sure this is blasphemy by TD standards, but if Maxwell is offed I would put my money on the likes of Clinton and Gates throwing a party rather than Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    Sure this is blasphemy by TD standards, but if Maxwell is offed I would put my money on the likes of Clinton and Gates throwing a party rather than Trump.
    conspiracy nutte.r

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    Quote Originally Posted by monkeyman View Post
    conspiracy nutte.r
    That's right, I created a conspiracy in advance of some hypothetical event, responding to an article in the outstandingly credible wait for it...Independent, which unintentionally stitches up a case against Trump to trigger the truly demented for whom he is guilty because they want it to be, although the Clintons and Gates cannot be since that would hit an ideological stone wall.

    FFS monkeyman, I've seen you dredge deeper than that, but tbf not often.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    That's right, I created a conspiracy in advance of some hypothetical event, responding to an article in the outstandingly credible wait for it...Independent, which unintentionally stitches up a case against Trump to trigger the truly demented for whom he is guilty because they want it to be, although the Clintons and Gates cannot be since that would hit an ideological stone wall.

    FFS monkeyman, I've seen you dredge deeper than that, but tbf not often.
    You are not even making sense.

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    He mostly posts complete bollocks.

    Fewer than 100 words in that sentence though, which is actually not bad for him.

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    Blimey sqwiril's on the case, but he counts better than he reads so I shall type slower next time.

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    Jeffrey Epstein dies while in custody, his private banker is found dead via hanging, a judge who got a case FOUR days ago related to Epstein ties to Deutsche bank has her her son murdered and husband shot, and then the shooter is found dead.

    OBVIOUSLY something is seriously off.
    https://twitter.com/tomaskenn/status...08342227927045

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    Another jibber jabberer turns up. oh joy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
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    https://twitter.com/tomaskenn/status...08342227927045
    You're suggesting something ain't quite right, which doesn't make sense to monkeyman who believes Epstein committed suicide and the other attacks were all coincidence, Maxwell is in no danger of also committing suicide or being in the way of a falling safe, Trump is guilty but not the Clintons or Gates, and anything else is obviously a nutty conspiracy theory, while his sidekick sqwiril's busy counting words per sentence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    Epstein committed suicide and the other attacks were all coincidence, Maxwell is in no danger of also committing suicide or being in the way of a falling safe, Trump is guilty but not the Clintons or Gates, and anything else is obviously a nutty conspiracy theory
    ...thanks for the summary...

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