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    Unbreaking America

    This is a commercial, but the points seem valid. Nothing will change in the USA until these things are resolved. Could it work from the state level up?


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    A noble idea but not one that has not being tried before.
    Paul Tsongas and warren Rudman , a Democrat and a Republican formed the Concord Coalition in 1992 , with exactly the same agenda as the video, 27 years later both Tsongas and Rudman are dead and nothing has happened. Until the elections finance system is reformed, nothing will happen.
    State by state laws only fix peripheral issues such as same sex marriage,or women's suffrage,etc, issues that do not fundamentally threaten the system, Real Campaign finance reform existentially threatens the system. I am afraid the only way it will change is when the system is so broken that reform will be the only means of it's survival, or when the pitchforks come out.Both highly disruptive events.
    The sooner you fall behind, the more time you have to catch up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    when the pitchforks come out

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    a good place to start:
    overturn citizens united and pass campaign finance reform, have an independent commission set up non-gerrymandered congressional districts, tie voter registration to a driver's license or other govt. ID, have elections on weekends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    have elections on weekends.
    unpossible

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    Seriously, they hold elections on weekdays?

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    something else...

    get rid of the electoral college.

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    good idea, only 50 states to persuade that 4 states should choose the country's leader.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    something else...

    get rid of the electoral college.
    The electoral college is racist (not intentionally) because it gives more power to sparsely populated rural areas that are overwhelmingly populated by white people , to the detriment of urban populations that are more hispanic and African American.
    It was designed to prevent a lunatic from becoming president. It has clearly failed it's intended purpose.

    Two ways to change the effect of the electoral college,
    One would need a constitutional amendment , that require two thirds of the house and then two thirds of the Senate., then it would need to be ratified by three fourths of the states.
    I don't believe there is any political issue that can meet that threshold at this time.
    A second way is to maintain it but make it ineffective. This is being pursued right now. Each state certifies the results of a federal election at that state level, some states have pledged to require their delegates of the electoral college to disregard electoral college wins and vote for the popular vote winner. Unfortunately these states do not meet the 270 electoral votes required to secure the win yet. If I remember correctly only 180 electoral votes cast their votes for the popular vote winner.
    Doing this from memorie and Don't have time to research this now.
    Anyway, some food for thought concerning the Electoral college please correct me for any inaccuracies.

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    ^^^^
    By the way, eliminating the Electoral college will do very litle in "unbreaking America" it will only insure further popular participation on the Braking of America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    a good place to start:
    overturn citizens united and pass campaign finance reform, have an independent commission set up non-gerrymandered congressional districts, tie voter registration to a driver's license or other govt. ID, have elections on weekends.
    Yeah, Citizens United did a lot to get money in control of government. That would be indeed be a good place to start.

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    a bit of a kerfuffle over this book
    The rise of international jihad and Western ultra-nationalism
    In the Management of Savagery, Max Blumenthal excavates the real story behind America's dealings with the world and shows how the extremist forces that now threaten peace across the globe are the inevitable flowering of America's imperial designs.
    Washington's secret funding of the mujahedin provoked the Russian invasion of Afghanistan in 1979. With guns and money, the United States has ever since sustained the extremists, including Osama Bin Laden, who have become its enemies. The Pentagon has trained and armed jihadist elements in Afghanistan, Syria, and Libya; it has launched military interventions to change regimes in the Middle East. In doing so, it created fertile ground for the Islamic State and brought foreign conflicts home to American soil. These failed wars abroad have made the United States more vulnerable to both terrorism as well as native ultra-nationalism. The Trump presidency is the inevitable consequence of neoconservative imperialism in the post–Cold War age. Trump's dealings in the Middle East are likely only to exacerbate the situation.
    http://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/bo...9781788732291/

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