Thread: Oh, FFS ... UK schoolgirl who fled to join Islamic State 'wants to return home to Eng

Originally Posted by stroller

What on earth are you babbling on about?

Oh dear..

I see the daft little bitch has named the brat after an Islamic Jihadist war lord who killed infidels, there is no hope for her and she's be happier in Bangladesh where the family came from. Her dad is also a radical Muslim.

^ What name is that?

Jarrah apparently.




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ISIS bride Shamima Begum 'has UK citizenship revoked by British government'

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/i...-a4071081.html

Well, the move is against international law but God hope its true. The sooner we stop making this country an easy touch and less pleasant for the hoards of her ilk we seem to have unwisely allowed in under Labour the better - and i couldn't give a flying fuk if anyone on here thinks that makes me a racist - guilty as charged on this matter and hopefully they'll fuk her muzzie family off back to where they came from too. Ah that's better

Harry, its breaking news on all the newspapers so perhaps its true. I dearly hope they hold to this and tell the family they are welcome to pick her up on the way through to Bangladesh.

#firstofmany

Originally Posted by Neverna

Jarrah apparently.




Jarrah is a unique Australian hardwood renowned for its versatility. Its durability and strength make it an ideal timber for a range of structural and design applications, with timbers that display colours ranging from deep red to blonde.

Be good if her surname was Coffee.

Originally Posted by Maanaam

Do you recall the Rotherham grooming gang? Muslim men who groomed young girls? Do you recall the frothing outrage that these men groomed and took advantage of British girls, many of them white.

I do wonder about you. Read the whole story rather than making shite up from a headline you remember because it suits your "whites are all rascists and everyone a shade darker is a victim" view of the world. Did YOU remember how long it went on and the cover up by social services police etc BECAUSE they were not white and everyone was to frigtened to say anything for fear of idiots like you accusing them of racism?

This 15 year old girl was groomed and subjected to propaganda. She also appears to be not very bright. Can you explain to me the level of lack of sympathy for her plight? There does seem to be an imbalance. I'd be happy to read your explanation.

I will try to make this simple. She has in her own words stated she had no problem with all the deaths as it is "allowed" in Islam. There is a thing called "responsibility fore ones actions" I was quite aware of them at 15 years old. I was actually also aware that you should not going around burning, beheading or torturing people raping women and girls, although that may come as a surprise to you given that I am white My white friends were also surprisingly of the same opinion.
"I didn't kill anyone I was just a housewife" does not hold water. These murdering thugs need feeding and support for themselves and their families which is provided by these women whom are fully aware of what their husbands or family members are doing. If I feed you and look after you while you are making a bomb which is intended to murder and maime people and I am aware of this, I am equally guilty.
I have sympathy for those villagers that had no sympathy for ISIS but were caught in the middle with no choice but to cooperate or die.. Not for this compassionless piece of trash who actively sought them out and joined them and now wants people to show what she didn't.
They should just shoot the bitch. One less oxygen thief.

Originally Posted by NamPikToot

Well, the move is against international

Not if she has citizenship of another country. I'm sure the UK wouldn't be doing it otherwise. Perhaps she has Bangladeshi citizenship.

Originally Posted by Neverna

Not if she has citizenship of another country. I'm sure the UK wouldn't be doing it otherwise. Perhaps she has Bangladeshi citizenship.

She says not...

Under the 1981 British Nationality Act, UK authorities have the legal right to revoke a person's citizenship should it be "conducive to the public good" and they won't become stateless as a result. As of a little over a week ago she was living inside what's said to be ISIS' last pocket of Baghuz, in Syria Deir ez-Zor province. According to the BBC, "She is believed to be of Bangladeshi heritage but when asked by the BBC, she said did not have a Bangladesh passport and had never been to the country."

The BBC claim according to Bangladeshi law she has citizenship because her mother has a Bangladesh passport.

Originally Posted by Hugh Cow

I will try to make this simple. She has in her own words stated she had no problem with all the deaths as it is "allowed" in Islam. There is a thing called "responsibility fore ones actions" I was quite aware of them at 15 years old. I was actually also aware that you should not going around burning, beheading or torturing people raping women and girls, although that may come as a surprise to you given that I am white My white friends were also surprisingly of the same opinion.
"I didn't kill anyone I was just a housewife" does not hold water. These murdering thugs need feeding and support for themselves and their families which is provided by these women whom are fully aware of what their husbands or family members are doing. If I feed you and look after you while you are making a bomb which is intended to murder and maime people and I am aware of this, I am equally guilty.
I have sympathy for those villagers that had no sympathy for ISIS but were caught in the middle with no choice but to cooperate or die.. Not for this compassionless piece of trash who actively sought them out and joined them and now wants people to show what she didn't.
They should just shoot the bitch. One less oxygen thief.

Well, now you're talking about something else. But i will point out something. You said that when you were 15 you knew right from wrong etc. If you or I (as adults) had sex with a 15 yo girl, we would be considered criminals. Why is that? Because society considers the 15 year old is not mentally mature enough to make the decision to have sex, therefore we are rapists.
So, on the one hand (I assume) you back society up in that sense that adults should not be having sex with 15 year old girls, but on the other hand you say this 15 year old girl was old enough to know better.

Even if they do strip her of her British citizenship, the child will still be considered British (British by descent) because at Birth, the child's mother had British ciizenship.

Originally Posted by Maanaam

Well, now you're talking about something else. But i will point out something. You said that when you were 15 you knew right from wrong etc. If you or I (as adults) had sex with a 15 yo girl, we would be considered criminals. Why is that? Because society considers the 15 year old is not mentally mature enough to make the decision to have sex, therefore we are rapists.
So, on the one hand (I assume) you back society up in that sense that adults should not be having sex with 15 year old girls, but on the other hand you say this 15 year old girl was old enough to know better.

If sex is illegal a day short of 16 and at 16 not, then everyone of 16 and over that has sex with a legally under-age person should be prosecuted for rape. In principle that's fine since the law must draw a line in such matters, but only if it is pursued in accordance with that law which it isn't. In one case I recall, a man was prosecuted for having sex with a lad that was a few days short of 16, essentially scolded for being impatient and walked.

In this case she could fairly be viewed by some as a victim, being legally 'immature' as mitigation for her poor choice, not for sex but to actively aid the IS, though the day she reached 16 that became redundant and now she should be treated as an adult.

As in many cases the more mitigation a defence provides, even if rejected by the court, the more likely some of it will stick for summation or sentencing. One 'expert' argument follows the line that her choice to aid the IS at 15, legally under-age and therefore not responsible for her action, makes her the victim, because when she turned 16 and responsible she 'may have' come to her legal senses but was already too far in to escape.

Home Secretary Sajid Javid has previously said Shamima Begum will "face consequences" for backing IS.

Seems to me the only 'consequences' she could face under his authority is to have her citizenship revoked and refused entry, which would probably lead to another marathon, costly and embarrassing legal saga with which Brits are not unfamiliar.

And then of course, how does he exempt the mother of a Brit child without separating them?

Originally Posted by Maanaam

Because society considers the 15 year old is not mentally mature enough to make the decision

You are cherry picking ages to suit your argument about the ability of a 15yo to make ration decisions.

In the UK ...

You can apply for a provisional driving licence when you're 15 years and 9 months old.

In the US ...

14–16 (for permit) 14, 3 months – 17 (for restricted license) varies between states

Does the UK Judicial system judge that a child can understand that he/she has a social responsibility and not to commit a crime ...

Children between 10 and 17 can be arrested and taken to court if they commit a crime.

Originally Posted by Maanaam

Well, now you're talking about something else. But i will point out something. You said that when you were 15 you knew right from wrong etc. If you or I (as adults) had sex with a 15 yo girl, we would be considered criminals. Why is that? Because society considers the 15 year old is not mentally mature enough to make the decision to have sex, therefore we are rapists.
So, on the one hand (I assume) you back society up in that sense that adults should not be having sex with 15 year old girls, but on the other hand you say this 15 year old girl was old enough to know better.

Strawman arguments in some countries it is 14. The law does not always reflect truth or even community standards in many cases but thank you for the false argument that had nothing to do with the subject matter.

Originally Posted by David48atTD

You are cherry picking ages to suit your argument about the ability of a 15yo to make ration decisions.

Not at all. It's about the age of consent, particularly in Britain. Why is the age of consent even set? What is the rationale behind setting an age of consent?
Consider that rationale when considering if this girl was groomed and taken advantage of by nasty people.

Originally Posted by Hugh Cow

but thank you for the false argument that had nothing to do with the subject matter.

No. You made the accusation that I was pulling the "poor brown person" card and I responded with mention of how when it was white girls below the age of consent in Rotherham, people like you were outraged, but when it is a brown girl, you lump her in with her groomers as a nasty person that made her own decisions.

Originally Posted by Hugh Cow

in some countries it is 14.

She's a Brit, it's 16.

Originally Posted by stroller

But then one could make the case that she cheered & supported IS well into her adulthood until the last stronghold was destroyed...

Yes, one could make that argument and it's pretty convincing.
But one should also consider the environment of her "education" while moving into adulthood. It wasn't exactly public school London, was it?

Originally Posted by stroller

She's a Brit, it's 16.

But being below the age of 18 she's considered a child by the Court of Human Rights.

Age of consent is 16, which the exchange was about.