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    ^^ FO Plies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by happynz View Post
    Mark Ramprakash seems to me to be the more level-headed in this Twitter stoush.
    Indeed, the laws should be adhered to. This case has lots of folks making emotional outbursts, which is perfectly understandable as it's an emotive topic, but their are legal processes to follow - if those processes are considered inadequate due to changing times then new laws need to be processed.
    Cycling should be banned!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    It seems that she has given birth to the child, and it probably won't be considered a British child or have the rights of a British child.
    Post #2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maanaam View Post
    While I think she should be made an example of, a sort of collateral damage casualty left to her own devices outside the UK (for the greater good), I think people should spare a thought for the innocent baby to come, and also consider had she been white and the victim of a modern day Westboro Baptist type loon modern day Charles Manson propagandist manipulator and not a dark skinned Muslim, people would be thinking she's the victim not the baddie.
    Utter bullshit again Manny. you have become extremely tedious with this continual "poor brown people and the nasty white oppressor" theme. There have been a few white converts that have gone there as well. They can all stay there in that shithole they have created and rot there. Give them as much thought as they give ISIS victims who were hung shot beheaded or burnt alive..

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    Sadly Ramprakash is right. The rule of law must prevail.

    They should have dealt with this from day one and changed the law so that anyone going to fight for a foreign enemy automatically loses their citizenship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    Utter bullshit again Manny. you have become extremely tedious with this continual "poor brown people and the nasty white oppressor" theme.
    Are you suggesting racism has ceased to exist and there aren't different sets of rules applied as far as popular opinion & the tabloids go?

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    shes been out of the country for over 6 months so at least no health care for her and the brat, unless she wants to pay 150% like other returners. This bitch is only bailing out for a council flat and a life on benefits because isis lost. She was quite happy to be there when people were being burned alive and thrown off roofs.

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    Na, leave the mad mole there, the evil slag made her choice long ago.

    Let the Rag headed musi scum shag her senseless.

    All good innit.

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    I see Katie Price has been cashing in on the story...



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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    victim
    Being one is the en vogue go to excuse used by folks incapable of accepting responsibilty for poor decisions.

    Ms Begum got into the mess all by herself. Let her get out of it herself!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    Utter bullshit again Manny. you have become extremely tedious with this continual "poor brown people and the nasty white oppressor" theme. There have been a few white converts that have gone there as well. They can all stay there in that shithole they have created and rot there. Give them as much thought as they give ISIS victims who were hung shot beheaded or burnt alive..
    Do you recall the Rotherham grooming gang? Muslim men who groomed young girls? Do you recall the frothing outrage that these men groomed and took advantage of British girls, many of them white.
    This 15 year old girl was groomed and subjected to propaganda. She also appears to be not very bright. Can you explain to me the level of lack of sympathy for her plight? There does seem to be an imbalance. I'd be happy to read your explanation.

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    who knows she could be the wife of the one that BEHEADED journalist JAMES FOLEY.
    and not forgetting the police ex.trainee jailed in nov.2018 for raping 12 English girls,some as young as 13.
    do you think 15yrs.was enough,i bet his inmates will love him too bits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    Regarding the child's citizenship... I agree it's unclear, but the child would not be stateless because it was born in a state (Syria? Turkey?), and the mother effectively gave up her citizenship by joining ISIS (a self-claimed state), but will be returned to the UK because she cannot be made stateless. So we will see, but the discussions I read/watched all suggested the child will not be a British citizen because the mother gave up her citizenship (she'll only be allowed back into the UK because under international law she cannot be made stateless) and the child is not stateless.
    Sorry to disagree, but I've been British long enough to know how HMgov works in these situations; their solution is generally the easiest, which in this case is to welcome her back with full rights as the victim, and naturally not risk embarrassment by separating such a high profile mother from her daughter. Doesn't matter what the status of the child is, and if as you say she is not legally Brit then she will be a refugee with a Brit mum and fast tracked with a sigh and crossed fingers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    ^ & ^^ I am not sure. Just passing on parts of an explanation that I heard.

    Even though she married a Dutch guy initially, I'm not sure whether he was the father of one or all of her children; she appears to have been 'passed around' somewhat hence the father may be Syrian, Turkish, other. Also, the bits and pieces of info from the article and/or other sources have not been collaborated thus far.

    I suspect that more details will come out in time, and until that point we won't know about the child's status. We do know that she is British and cannot be made stateless thus if she finds her way back to the UK then she will be let in.

    There's lots more of these cases, male and female, some of the individuals involved have dual-citizenship and thus Britain doesn't have the sole legal obligation; we will see what happens.
    While the mother of a baby is known as you say the father may well be one of many, so his status/nationality is irrelevant until proven.

    Referring to my previous post, even if the father is proven to be this Dutch guy, my money says HMgov will bear the cost/effort/risk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Being one is the en vogue go to excuse used by folks incapable of accepting responsibilty for poor decisions.

    Ms Begum got into the mess all by herself. Let her get out of it herself!
    Precisely, though you and I and everyone else knows that won't happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    I agree it's unclear, but the child would not be stateless because it was born in a state (Syria? Turkey?), and the mother effectively gave up her citizenship by joining ISIS (a self-claimed state)
    That would be my argument, but ISIS was not recognised as a state, so I don't think this will hold water.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    Sorry to disagree, but I've been British long enough to know how HMgov works in these situations; their solution is generally the easiest, which in this case is to welcome her back with full rights as the victim, and naturally not risk embarrassment by separating such a high profile mother from her daughter. Doesn't matter what the status of the child is, and if as you say she is not legally Brit then she will be a refugee with a Brit mum and fast tracked with a sigh and crossed fingers.
    Your opinion is somewhat at odds with the stance of the Home Secretary:
    Home Secretary Sajid Javid, who oversees immigration, wrote in the Sunday Times he would "not hesitate" to prevent the return of Britons who travelled abroad to join IS.
    "If you do manage to return, you should be ready to be questioned, investigated and potentially prosecuted," Mr Javid said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    Shamima Begum insisted the violence she witnessed with IS did not phase her.
    You didn't provide a link, but please tell me a Guardian reporter did not confuse "phase" with "faze".

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    You didn't provide a link, but please tell me a Guardian reporter did not confuse "phase" with "faze".
    They did, twice.

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    Saw another similar article this AM. Alabama born gal who went over years ago and was married to three different terrorists, as well as breeding, is now in a refugee camp, says she's sorry for repeatedly calling for American deaths...was a confused teen....and wants to come home with her litter and become a welfare witch. Good luck with that, darlin.........

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    ^ If she hasn't renounced her US citizenship nor taken citizenship in any other country the US has to allow her return. After her return they can press whatever charges they want and she'll have her day in court.

    However, I don't believe the US government is obligated to provide her passage back to US territory.
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    Originally Posted by jabir (Oh, FFS ... UK schoolgirl who fled to join Islamic State 'wants to return home to Eng)
    Sorry to disagree, but I've been British long enough to know how HMgov works in these situations; their solution is generally the easiest, which in this case is to welcome her back with full rights as the victim, and naturally not risk embarrassment by separating such a high profile mother from her daughter. Doesn't matter what the status of the child is, and if as you say she is not legally Brit then she will be a refugee with a Brit mum and fast tracked with a sigh and crossed fingers.



    Your opinion is somewhat at odds with the stance of the Home Secretary:

    Home Secretary Sajid Javid, who oversees immigration, wrote in the Sunday Times he would "not hesitate" to prevent the return of Britons who travelled abroad to join IS.
    "If you do manage to return, you should be ready to be questioned, investigated and potentially prosecuted," Mr Javid said.


    Quote Originally Posted by stroller View Post
    Your opinion is somewhat at odds with the stance of the Home Secretary:
    Ya, wait and see if I know better than an ambitious HS saying what he believes is what people want to hear. And damn, just when I thought you could understand English!

    Out of interest, did you actually read what you posted?

    Fex: how does a) Sajid Javid would "not hesitate" to prevent the return of Britons who travelled abroad to join IS.

    reconcile with b) "If you do manage to return, you should be ready to be questioned, investigated and potentially prosecuted,"

    Does a) or b) suggest if she makes it back, with or without kid, he will prevent her from entering, or for that matter never mind her, do either a) or b) suggest he will exempt other returning jihadis, or do you like posting shit that sounds good?

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    ^^Both difficult and expensive to renounce US citizenship, made so to thwart tax evaders. If she returns to Alabama, I imagine the folks there will welcome her .............with a whole slew of terrorism-related charges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    You didn't provide a link, but please tell me a Guardian reporter did not confuse "phase" with "faze".
    Phase sounds sooo progressive that the Grauniad couldn't resist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    Out of interest, did you actually read what you posted?

    Fex: how does a) Sajid Javid would "not hesitate" to prevent the return of Britons who travelled abroad to join IS.

    reconcile with b) "If you do manage to return, you should be ready to be questioned, investigated and potentially prosecuted,"

    Does a) or b) suggest if she makes it back, with or without kid, he will prevent her from entering, or for that matter never mind her, do either a) or b) suggest he will exempt other returning jihadis, or do you like posting shit that sounds good?
    What on earth are you babbling on about?

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