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    Just saw this on facetubegram. The irony....

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    You'd think they'd see the irony and hypocrisy . . .

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    Trump protesters warned not to carry guns as Washington DC calls up National Guard
    DC police chief says ahead of inauguration protests ‘there are people intent on coming to our city armed’
    Trump protesters warned not to carry guns as Washington DC calls up National Guard | US elections 2020 | The Guardian

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    Won't happen.
    don't be so sure.

    nikki haley is just horrible enough to get the republican nomination and if the economy tanks in 2023/24, i think she'd have a shot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    nikki haley

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    I hope trump supporters come to Washington DC armed. These chicken shit cowards living out their childhood Rambo fantasies among civilians will be taken down by armed police at the first sign of trouble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    IMO, unless the Democrats will the two Senate seats in Georgia and gain majority in both houses, the next four years are going to be a cluster fuck in America.
    Two years ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by helge View Post
    Two years ?
    You are right, two years and then we have a midterm.
    IMO,losing the majority in the senate is the best thing that could happen to the Republican party, I would give them a chance to clean house and do a reset.

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    President Donald Trump simply asked the government of Georgia to retroactively give him 11,780 votes or more, and send up a different slate of electors as a consequence.

    At one point in the now-infamous phone call between Trump (and his lawyers), and Georgia secretary of state Brad Raffensperger (and his lawyers), Trump’s chief of staff Mark Meadows jumped in to plead to Raffensperger. “In the spirit of cooperation and compromise,” he asked, “is there something that we can at least have a discussion to look at some of these allegations to find a path forward that’s less litigious?”

    This is a sophistic way of asking the government of Georgia to treat allegations that Trump’s lawyers cannot or will not make in court as proven and to declare Trump the winner by fiat. Less litigious means: without scrutiny and testing of claims.

    “What’s the difference between winning the election by two votes and winning it by half a million votes?” asked the president. “I think I probably did win it by half a million,” he said about the presidential election in Georgia, which he lost by nearly 12,000 votes. Votes that have been re-tallied by hand. “And I could tell you by our rallies,” he explained.

    Trump cited numbers. Lots of them. 300,000 fake votes here. Unchecked malfeasance of some sort — details to come later — in Fulton County. Lots of dead people voting. Trump cajoled, flattered, and then vaguely threatened Raffensperger. People would be angry with Raffensperger. Maybe what Raffensperger was doing was illegal somehow. “They’re going around playing you and laughing at you behind your back, Brad,” the president explained. “Whether you know it or not, they’re laughing at you.”

    Raffensperger remained unfazed, informing the president in lapidary fashion that “the data you have is wrong.” He gave an example that the Trump team had made allegations that upwards of 5,000 dead people had voted in Georgia. After an investigation, Georgia found just two.

    Much of the call consisted of lawyers bickering over what information can be shared or examined. And yet Trump interjected, “So what are we going to do here, folks? I only need 11,000 votes. Fellas, I need 11,000 votes.” Because he only needs to win by a few, even though he believes he won by nearly half a million.

    What has to be understood very clearly is that Team Trump can no longer press its case in the courts. It has been squeezed by the facts and the hurdles that the American justice system places in front of frivolous and baseless lawsuits. This led Lou Dobbs, the most fraud-pilled cable-television host in America, to wonder aloud why “we have had a devil of a time finding actual proof” of the election-fraud theory he believes anyway.

    Unable to turn up witnesses who would sit in a box, documents to substantiate their claims, or suspected perps to put in the stands, the Trump team turned toward strange legal theories. Maybe civil-rights law could be used to invalidate tens of thousands of ballots because certain forms of scrutiny were used on mail-in ballots and other forms of scrutiny were used on day-of ballots. Isn’t that like segregation somehow? It’s discrimination, maybe. Right?

    As the legal theories have run out of steam, Team Trump turned to find gaps and holes in the Constitution. If ultimately state legislatures could decide how their states’ electoral votes are awarded, could they go back and annul their own lawful elections that awarded those votes and do something else? If the results of the Electoral College are mailed to the vice president, acting as president of the Senate, can he do something about it? And as part of this effort, we now have the bullying of Georgia’s secretary of state.

    And yet, the Trump diehards will tell you with all sincerity that this was “another perfect phone call.” The innocent and ignorant souls who say this do so because they are so detached from the institutions and practices of America’s political governance. They simply don’t know the hurdles to voter fraud, and don’t trust them. The more refined — the intellectual diehards — will simply hold that there is no reason to believe in the fraud, but they join in the delusion anyway because they believe lack of faith in the integrity of our system is justified on other grounds; namely, because the system has, in their eyes, stopped honestly serving a huge segment of the American people.

    But that is one of the perils of democracy: that 81 million people can vote for a government that is abominated by 74 million people. Donald Trump is dedicating real energy to something over which he has no control: the results of the Georgia election.

    It’s a reminder of all the cajoling, bullying, and commanding calls he hasn’t made. In a little over two weeks, Trump will leave office. America’s trade difficulties with China will persist, because Trump didn’t have the energy or courage to take his trade war into an election year. The troops will still be in Syria and Afghanistan. He said he wanted them out, but didn’t make the phone calls to get them home.

    Hang up, Donny.
    Another ‘Perfect’ Phone Call

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    Ballots are already being counted in Georgia and things don't look good for the criminal-in-chief. More than anything else, I want the Dems to flip the senate tonight, so we can see the villain have another melt down.

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    BBC:

    US election 2020: The fuckwits who still believe Trump won

    Standing on Main Street, Dillard Ungeheuer, 73, was scraping cow shit off his shoes, left over from a visit to a feed lot, and seemed testy. When it came to the ballots, he was emphatic - many were fake.

    "I'm not going to argue with nobody about it," he says, voice rising. "I believe what I'm saying is factual."



    US election 2020: The people who still believe Trump won - BBC News

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMadBaron View Post
    Ungeheuer
    The German word for monster . . . in this case a monster of an idiot.

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    Man who can't even get the date right couldn't handle a pandemic? Shocking.


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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    You'd think they'd see the irony and hypocrisy . . .
    They'll be sending a team to Guyana to teach them how to deal with Covid next. I simply cannot begin to imagine what Americans with an IQ above 10 must be feeling about their country right now...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Headworx View Post
    They'll be sending a team to Guyana to teach them how to deal with Covid next. I simply cannot begin to imagine what Americans with an IQ above 10 must be feeling about their country right now...
    This one is feeling pretty good as it seems, knock on wood, crossing fingers, that Georgia is going to go Democratic. Which is huge. Shut that Trump machine down..

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    Quote Originally Posted by aging one View Post
    Shut that Trump machine down..
    But will it? Would you put it past this total buffoon to say Georgia was rigged too and the results mean nothing if/when it doesn't go his way?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Headworx View Post
    But will it? Would you put it past this total buffoon to say Georgia was rigged too and the results mean nothing if/when it doesn't go his way?
    Sure he will bitch, scream, cry and tweet. But two more losses on the board. Losers dont last long in voters minds. Get America going a bit, slow the pandemic and things just might start to look up. Sure 30% of Trumptards are brain dead. Something you have to live with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    The German word for monster . . . in this case a monster of an idiot.
    Good catch.... 'monster' or 'enormous'.

    Is Dillard a common name? It sounds like a portmanteau coined from a combination of the words 'Dylan', which is British slang for an annoying idiot, and retard. So, Dillard Ungeheuer, literally "enormous retarded annoying idiot."

    Not that there's any shortage of fucktard trumpeteers in Kansas, but I wouldn't put it past the BBC to be making this shit up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMadBaron View Post
    Is Dillard a common name?
    Nope but the old boomer in that pic is just the type of backwards redneck to have a name like that.

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    So it SHOULD be settled once and for all tomorrow.

    What's expected to happen when Congress meets to certify the 2020 election result?
    Normally, Congress simply receives results from states and announces them to the US – but this year may include some twists.

    joint session of Congress is scheduled to begin meeting on Wednesday at 1pm to finally certify Joe Biden as the winner of the 2020 presidential election.

    Never in the modern political history of the United States have these proceedings been notable. For 150 years, Congress has acted in accordance with the constitution and the 1887 Electoral Count Act to simply receive election results from the states and announce them to the nation. It usually takes a couple hours on a weekday, and does not make many headlines.

    This year will be different. Goaded by Donald Trump, a dozen Republican senators have announced they will join with conspiracy-minded members of the House of Representatives to advance unfounded challenges to the states’ election results. These challenges will proceed in spite of an utter lack of evidence of any significant voting irregularities, dozens of foregoing contrary court decisions and an unbroken chain of miserably weak and corrupt challenges at state and local levels.

    The process of congressional certification of the presidential election result this year will be different for two main reasons. One, Trump has demanded that his election loss at the hands of more than 81m Americans be overturned. And two, key Republicans players in Congress have decided to support Trump’s effort to advance their own political ambitions.

    The events of the day leave plenty of room for unexpected twists. But here is a short guide to how the proceedings are expected to unfold.

    Delivery of electoral votes
    Every state certified its election results before a 14 December deadline. The states submitted results to the national archivist. On Wednesday, copies of the certifications will be delivered to Congress in ceremonial boxes, in a scene recalling the ceremonial delivery one year ago of the articles of impeachment against Trump to the Senate.

    Roll call of states
    The presiding officer for the proceedings is the vice-president, Mike Pence, in his role as president of the senate. If the vice-president is unavailable, the longest-serving senator would fill in. The presiding officer announces each state in alphabetical order. Each state’s result is announced in turn. The tally for each presidential candidate accrues as the votes are announced. Biden won the election 306-232. That is expected to be the basic final tally. But stray single votes for non-candidates, in symbolic protest of the election, often appear.

    Objections
    Here is where the process is likely to give way to unusual detours. Republicans have announced they will object to certain states’ results. Any objection to a state’s result must be submitted in writing. If at least one member of both the Senate and the House of Representatives signs any objection, the joint session is suspended and the houses retire to their respective chambers for up to two hours’ debate on the objection.

    Serial debate
    It’s not clear how many state results may become subject to Republican objections. No substantive claims of voter fraud have surfaced in any state. But Republicans are acutely aware of which state results sealed Trump’s loss, and as many as six of those states (Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin) could become the focus for objections. What is clear is that after each objection, a new debate must commence, meaning the overall process of certification could be prolonged.

    Dismissing objections
    At the end of debate over an objection to a state result, each chamber of Congress votes on the objection. If both chambers vote in favor of an objection, it is sustained and the slate of electors in question is tossed. However, if either chamber votes against any objection, the objection is tossed.


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    What's expected to happen when Congress meets to certify the 2020 election result? | US elections 2020 | The Guardian

    I read that Trump has said Pence has the authority to reject disputed electors votes but that is disputed.

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    Little bit weird at how silent Biden is being given that there is an attempted coup under way.

    Giving out enough rope maybe.

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    The president claims the vice-president “can decertify the results or send them back to the states for change and certification. He can also decertify the illegal and corrupt results and send them to the House of Representatives for the one vote for one state tabulation.”
    Georgia runoffs: Democrat Raphael Warnock wins in Senate battle – live | US news | The Guardian

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    Little bit weird at how silent Biden is being given that there is an attempted coup under way.

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    Nah, I think it is a solid move. Let the republican party turn on itself, and do not give a common enemy to distract.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nidhogg View Post
    Let the republican party turn on itself, and do not give a common enemy to distract.
    Exactly and it is working. You only have to look to Georgia to see that. If you told me two weeks ago that the Dems would be looking to take both Senate seats I wouldn't have bought it.

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