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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    What a surprise that no MSM have shown anything from the PA election hearing (OK, just that Trump was calling)?

    Over 3 hours talk of people who had seen really awkward things...

    (but all just conspiration theories, who would believe that such "irregularities" could happen, we are not in Belarus, are we?)

    I believe there were no such hearings. So nothing of this notion to broadcast or report upon.
    There was a lawsuit/injunction or two brought on by the desperate and comical Trump gang - and dismissed or withdrawn quickly, there was simply no evidence of fraudulent or irregular behaviour.

    As were the circumstances regarding the numerous legalities filed [throughout a few states] by the same parties. All thrown out or withdrawn.

    That greater circle of Trump trustees and blind supporters are all quite embarrassing.

    Should be noted the vacant number of powerful GOP Senators that have yet to extend congratulations to the Biden-Harris team.
    Apparently, they seem to be fearful of that fat orange freak and his minions.

    The post-election theatre seems to be quite pathetic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HuangLao View Post
    seems to be quite
    is, would be better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HuangLao View Post
    I believe there were no such hearings. So nothing of this notion to broadcast or report upon.
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    This is what they're talking about, more a meeting than a 'hearing'.
    In my mind a 'hearing' is before a judge.





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    Quote Originally Posted by HuangLao View Post
    I believe there were no such hearings. So nothing of this notion to broadcast or report upon.
    Corrrect. It did not happen - since no broadcast or report upon...

    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    In my mind a 'hearing' is before a judge.
    ???

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    Pennsylvania Court Temporarily Blocks State From Certifying Votes In Response To GOP Challenge

    So what's happening. Have the results in Pennsylvania been certified or not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    Corrrect. It did not happen - since no broadcast or report upon...


    ???
    What's confusing you?

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    ^^ The results have been certified but there are some outstanding ballots. Don’t know what’s up with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    ???
    Klondike, a hearing is conducted by the appropriate agency with the purpose of hearing both sides of the argument and determining a conclusion.
    what occurred there was not a hearing but a publics meeting. no different than all the private meetings I am sure they had to discuses the situation, and nothing more than a publicity stunt .
    ----I understand trump supporters , as misguided as I think they are , they are motivated by real concerns and I am sure they consider themselves American patriot's. As I am sure you are.
    These concerns remain. Regardless of our political affiliation, Democrat, Republican, Independent or whatever we all know it.
    So the question is , How do we get there from here?
    You all hitched your horse on the trump wagon. an easy mistake to make at 2016. Now it is 2020 , the evidence that trump is not the one abound. Even if we are to concede the the point that he was prevented from MAGA by the dastardly Democrats, and that the election was stolen from him , You must concede that he does not have the political skills or intellectual capacity to even defeat a party in the minority in both houses.
    Trust me when I tell you. trump is not the one.
    Plenty of good capable people that espouse you ideology in America ,trump is not the one!! You can not save America by destroying it which is what all of these are doing.
    You all need to take a step back and think. That thing on top of your neck is not there only to hold a hat.
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    I like it.
    "Trump is not the one"
    That's pretty much it in a nutshell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    This is what they're talking about, more a meeting than a 'hearing'.
    In my mind a 'hearing' is before a judge


    ‘This is what communist countries do!’ Trump fumes after Twitter suspends Republican who spread bogus voter fraud claims


    President Donald Trump on Friday had yet another tantrum against Twitter, this time because the company suspended the account of a Republican Pennsylvania state senator who is pushing the president’s bogus “voter fraud” claims.


    “Wow! Twitter bans highly respected Pennsylvania State Senator Doug Mastriano after he did a great job of leading a hearing on the 2020 Election fraud,” the president wrote. “They and the Fake News, working together, want to SILENCE THE TRUTH. Can’t let that happen. This is what Communist countries do!”

    While Mastriano’s personal Twitter account appears to have been suspended, he is still able to post from his official senate account.

    Mastriano earlier this week was one of a handful of Pennsylvania Republicans who took part in the Rudy Giuliani-led “voter fraud” hearing in which the New York mayor falsely claimed that Trump could have won Virginia, even though the official tallies show the president losing the state to President-elect Joe Biden by ten points.

    ‘This is what communist countries do!’ Trump fumes after Twitter suspends Republican who spread bogus voter fraud claims – Raw Story

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    Klondike, a hearing is conducted by the appropriate agency with the purpose of hearing both sides of the argument and determining a conclusion.
    what occurred there was not a hearing but a publics meeting. no different than all the private meetings I am sure they had to discuses the situation, and nothing more than a publicity stunt .
    I am sorry, I did not invent the "hearing", some others did. So no need to kill the messenger. Wondering why:
    Pennsylvania Court Temporarily Blocks State From Certifying Votes In Response To GOP Challenge
    Senate committee to discuss election issues in Pennsylvania

    Posted on Nov 24, 2020
    GETTYSBURG – At the request of Senator Doug Mastriano (R-Adams/Cumberland/Franklin/York), the Senate Majority Policy Committee will hold a hearing to discuss recent issues regarding the 2020 General Election in Pennsylvania.

    “Elections are a fundamental principle of our democracy – unfortunately, Pennsylvanians have lost faith in the electoral system. It is unacceptable,” said Mastriano. “Over the past few weeks, I have heard from thousands of Pennsylvanians regarding issues experienced at the polls, irregularities with the mail-in voting system and concerns whether their vote was counted. We need to correct these issues to restore faith in our republic.”

    “We want assurance that the issues encountered during this past election don’t happen again in the future,” said Majority Policy Committee Chair Senator David G. Argall. “Senator Mastriano requested this meeting because Pennsylvanians deserve a fair election.”

    The hearing will take place on Wednesday, November 25 at 12:30 p.m. at the Wyndham Hotel in Gettysburg. The public is invited to watch the event live on the Majority Policy Committee’s website.

    More information can be found on the committee’s website at Home - Majority Policy Committee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HuangLao View Post
    Should be noted the vacant number of powerful GOP Senators that have yet to extend congratulations to the Biden-Harris team.
    Apparently, they seem to be fearful of that fat orange freak and his minions.
    Not fearful. They are white collared criminals and associates of the trump crime family and are still hoping to see the election stolen from Biden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    I am sorry, I did not invent the "hearing", some others did. So no need to kill the messenger. Wondering why:


    Senate committee to discuss election issues in Pennsylvania

    Posted on Nov 24, 2020
    GETTYSBURG – At the request of Senator Doug Mastriano (R-Adams/Cumberland/Franklin/York), the Senate Majority Policy Committee will hold a hearing to discuss recent issues regarding the 2020 General Election in Pennsylvania.

    “Elections are a fundamental principle of our democracy – unfortunately, Pennsylvanians have lost faith in the electoral system. It is unacceptable,” said Mastriano. “Over the past few weeks, I have heard from thousands of Pennsylvanians regarding issues experienced at the polls, irregularities with the mail-in voting system and concerns whether their vote was counted. We need to correct these issues to restore faith in our republic.”

    “We want assurance that the issues encountered during this past election don’t happen again in the future,” said Majority Policy Committee Chair Senator David G. Argall. “Senator Mastriano requested this meeting because Pennsylvanians deserve a fair election.”

    The hearing will take place on Wednesday, November 25 at 12:30 p.m. at the Wyndham Hotel in Gettysburg. The public is invited to watch the event live on the Majority Policy Committee’s website.

    More information can be found on the committee’s website at Home - Majority Policy Committee.
    We all hate congress, (18% approval rate) but we all love our senators and congressmen.
    Majority Policy committee ?
    Senator David Argall?
    I dont want to imply anything, but do you suspect there might be an agenda there. and that agenda might not be conducive to your own?
    Come on Klondike , Think
    None of these people have your best interest in mind, all they want is to perpetuate their own power, and line their pockets.
    What you and me want, is a healthy, wealthy and happy America and world. Do you think any of these a-holes will give it to you.
    Stop working against your best personal and National interest.
    -A healthy America is to every Americans interest, Medicare for all!! if you want to buy private insurance , no one is stopping you. Ask anyone in the UK, can they buy private insurance? is it offered by companies as an incentive to attract talent . Ask those in Australia, or Germany. Can they buy private insurance if they wanted?
    -An educated America is to every American's interest. It might cost you $30-60, 000 to send a deserving poor person to college for free. How much more will you collect from them in their lifetimes from taxes as professionals? How much less will you have to pay in services as poor uneducated people. How much more productive and less dangerous will they be as educated adults?
    - Immigration. Of all new entrepreneurs in 2016, 29.5 percent were immigrants. More than 20 percent of new and established business owners in the U.S. were immigrants in 2014.
    Will some of those offered the above take advantage and game the system? Sure they will. In what country or when in history didn't some game the system? But are we willing to cut off our nose to spite our face.

    Stop reacting, think, and start being proactive. We need all of the Above, but we also need . Term limits, and election reform , The primary job pf all of these congressman , and Senators , (republican or democrat) is to be re-elected.

    Time we wake up, and stop playing their game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    None of these people have your best interest in mind, all they want is to perpetuate their own power, and line their pockets.
    What you and me want, is a healthy, wealthy and happy America and world. Do you think any of these a-holes will give it to you.
    I do not know whether the Rep. are better than Dem, I doubt that ones (either Rep or Dem) will better serve people's interest than the other ones (either Rep or Dem).

    What I see now is "America is Back". Back where to? To the wars of the last 20 years? Back with same people who were involved in these wars? And some of them even instrumental in the wars before (e.g. the one who should be designate as Secretary of State - in the war in Balkan?).

    So what do you think that these people will do better for the own population and the world? ("healthy, wealthy and happy America"?)

    More trillions (of others) to be spent, the creditors knowing that they never can get back their loans...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    I do not know whether the Rep. are better than Dem, I doubt that ones (either Rep or Dem) will better serve people's interest than the other ones (either Rep or Dem).

    What I see now is "America is Back". Back where to? To the wars of the last 20 years? Back with same people who were involved in these wars? And some of them even instrumental in the wars before (e.g. the one who should be designate as Secretary of State - in the war in Balkan?).

    So what do you think that these people will do better for the own population and the world? ("healthy, wealthy and happy America"?)

    More trillions (of others) to be spent, the creditors knowing that they never can get back their loans...
    We spend trillions already , and are in debt to the toon of $23.3 trillions,
    All I know is , If I got in debt I would at least enjoy the product of my debt. Perhaps I will have a new car i could not afford. or a house bigger than I should have.
    What have we got for our $23.3 trillion debt? crumbling infrastructure? no health insurance? low education?
    If we are going to get in Debt, How about we get something for it?
    And perhaps that debt will get us out of it ,( to make money you got to spend money) or further in debt, but we will at least get something for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    Pennsylvania Court Temporarily Blocks State From Certifying Votes In Response To GOP Challenge

    So what's happening. Have the results in Pennsylvania been certified or not?
    It's just another stupid lawsuit.

    It won't make any difference.

    They already certified Biden, they can't un-certify him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    More trillions (of others) to be spent, the creditors knowing that they never can get back their loans...
    You are going to have a Democrat President soon. Obviously President Biden is to blame for the deficit. You won't have to wait a year until the avalance of blames hits him.

    Same as President Obama.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Takeovers View Post
    You are going to have a Democrat President soon. Obviously President Biden is to blame for the deficit. You won't have to wait a year until the avalance of blames hits him.

    Same as President Obama.
    Absolutely. They will probably start whinging about the deficit and demanding federal spending cuts on the morning of the 21st Jan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    Pennsylvania Court Temporarily Blocks State From Certifying Votes In Response To GOP Challenge

    So what's happening. Have the results in Pennsylvania been certified or not?


    Trump campaign’s Pennsylvania appeal humiliatingly shot down by one of his own appointees

    President Donald Trump’s campaign suffered yet another humiliating loss in its efforts to overturn the 2020 presidential election — and this time it came at the hands of one of the president’s own appointees.


    In a ruling released on Friday, United States Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit Judge Stephanos Bibas shot down the campaign’s appeal of its Pennsylvania lawsuit seeking to nullify the state’s entire election results.


    In his ruling, Bibas chastised the Trump campaign not only for failing to present evidence, but for failing to even make specific allegations of voter fraud.

    “Free, fair elections are the lifeblood of our democracy,” Bibas wrote. “Charges of unfairness are serious. But calling an election unfair does not make it so. Charges require specific allegations and then proof. We have neither here.”

    The judge, who was appointed to the Third Circuit by Trump in 2017, then went on to show that lead Trump campaign attorney Rudy Giuliani told the court that they were not actually alleging fraud in asking for the results of the election to be tossed out.


    “The Campaign tries to repackage these state-law claims as unconstitutional discrimination. Yet its allegations are vague and conclusory,” wrote Bibas. “It never alleges that anyone treated the Trump campaign or Trump votes worse than it treated the Biden campaign or Biden votes.”


    To rub more salt in the wound, Bibas specifically lauded a previous judge who dismissed the Trump campaign’s claim with prejudice.

    Trump campaign’s Pennsylvania appeal humiliatingly shot down by one of his own appointees – Raw Story

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post


    Trump campaign’s Pennsylvania appeal humiliatingly shot down by one of his own appointees

    President Donald Trump’s campaign suffered yet another humiliating loss in its efforts to overturn the 2020 presidential election — and this time it came at the hands of one of the president’s own appointees.


    In a ruling released on Friday, United States Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit Judge Stephanos Bibas shot down the campaign’s appeal of its Pennsylvania lawsuit seeking to nullify the state’s entire election results.


    In his ruling, Bibas chastised the Trump campaign not only for failing to present evidence, but for failing to even make specific allegations of voter fraud.

    “Free, fair elections are the lifeblood of our democracy,” Bibas wrote. “Charges of unfairness are serious. But calling an election unfair does not make it so. Charges require specific allegations and then proof. We have neither here.”

    The judge, who was appointed to the Third Circuit by Trump in 2017, then went on to show that lead Trump campaign attorney Rudy Giuliani told the court that they were not actually alleging fraud in asking for the results of the election to be tossed out.


    “The Campaign tries to repackage these state-law claims as unconstitutional discrimination. Yet its allegations are vague and conclusory,” wrote Bibas. “It never alleges that anyone treated the Trump campaign or Trump votes worse than it treated the Biden campaign or Biden votes.”


    To rub more salt in the wound, Bibas specifically lauded a previous judge who dismissed the Trump campaign’s claim with prejudice.

    Trump campaign’s Pennsylvania appeal humiliatingly shot down by one of his own appointees – Raw Story
    Though late in the game , at least trump finally made true on his promise, that we would be tired of winning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    What I see now is "America is Back". Back where to? To the wars of the last 20 years?
    Back to normalcy. Btw, the wars of the last 20 years were started by Dubya, not Obama.



    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    More trillions (of others) to be spent
    Trump holds the record for the largest deficit of any president of the USA, and that was before Covid during an apparent booming economy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    I do not know
    Just leave it at that.





    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    n his ruling, Bibas chastised the Trump campaign not only for failing to present evidence, but for failing to even make specific allegations of voter fraud.
    This is what all these disinformation campaigns thrive on - talk about one thing as though it's fact in oublic and then make no mention of it where it counts - in court

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    President Donald Trump’s campaign suffered yet another humiliating loss in its efforts to overturn the 2020 presidential election — and this time it came at the hands of one of the president’s own appointees.
    Of course it got shot down. They have nothing. Only reason they are going on with this nonsense is to collect money from Trumptards. The bulk of the money will go to Bonespurs to do with as he sees fit. Prolley to pay off his millions of debt.

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    Donor to pro-Trump group sues to get his money back after dropped election lawsuits

    A North Carolina donor who gave $2.5 million to a group promising to help President Donald Trump's effort to overturn the results of the general election is now suing to get his money back.


    Fred Eshelman, who has donated tens of thousands of dollars to Republicans in 2020, according to Federal Election Commission data, says in his lawsuit that the organization True the Vote had not fulfilled the conditions of his monetary gift.


    The organization disputes the lawsuit's claims as "not accurate."


    According to the suit filed Wednesday, Eshelman allegedly wired $2 million on Nov. 5 and an additional $500,000 on Nov. 13 that was intended to be put toward True the Vote's "Validate the Vote" strategy.


    The initiative was designed to investigate and litigate claims of voter fraud and "solicit whistleblower testimonies," "build public momentum," "galvanize Republican legislative support in key states," "analyze data to identify patterns of election subversion" and "file lawsuits ... with the capacity to be heard by the Supreme Court of the United States."

    MORE Donor sues pro-Trump group True the Vote over dropped election suits

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