Thread: 2020 US Presidential Race

Saddling your young with insurmountable debts before they even enter the workforce is absurd, especially when your economy is built on spending.

Plus it deters many from entering higher education, then you end up with thick trumpanzees who require food stamps and welfare.

Which is probably why Republicans want it.

Plus there is all the money they make out of it of course.

I paid for my University education.

I took out a government loan for it.

I was asked to repay the government ONLY when my income was above an affordable threshold.

Discounts were allowed for bulk payments.

Tax refunds were docked if your loan was in arrears.

Fair system IMHO

Originally Posted by David48atTD

It also implies FREE UNIVERSITY ... no, no, no.

Why not? It works elsewhere . . .



Aaahh, I see why now . . . :

Originally Posted by David48atTD

I paid for my University education.

Originally Posted by David48atTD

I took out a government loan for it.

I was asked to repay the government ONLY when my income was above an affordable threshold.

Discounts were allowed for bulk payments.

Tax refunds were docked if your loan was in arrears.

Fair system IMHO

Weak and disappointing argument from you

Originally Posted by baldrick

bernie is only left wing in seppoland - everywhere else in the developed world his agenda is accepted centerist

Exactly Bernie is just a mainstream politician anywhere in Europe. Bernie is the continuation and expansion of FDR's policies and make no mistake FDR was a Democratic Socialist just like Bernie as were most Americans back than. Since Reagan was elected America has been on a continuous shift to the right. Today America is far more to the right then it was 60-70 years ago and far more to the right than all of the other developed nations. A very disturbing trend for such a developed country.

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

The left wing whack job everything should be free Bernie Bots.

Pretty ignorant and uninformed comment coming from you. I would expect better.

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

Anybody who considers themselves a socially liberal centrist Democrat/Republican.

So another bought and paid for useless status quo politician who will do absolutely nothing to make the country and its citizens better off. Sounds great! NOT!!

Originally Posted by David48atTD

It's a fucked idea to forgive student loans.

Based on what? Do you take pride in that? Because if you do that is beyond idiotic.

Originally Posted by David48atTD

I paid for my University education.

You paid nothing even close to what the average American college student pays over four years who are commonly saddled with 10's of thousands of dollars of debt. Preventing them from actually doing things that would benefit the economy like buy a house or a new car.

Some countries offer free tuition.

• Norway. ...
• Finland. ...
• Sweden. ...
• Germany. ...
• France.

And what are the tax rates in those countries?

Originally Posted by David48atTD

And what are the tax rates in those countries?

Do you notice any of their residents leaving due to high taxes? Of note the nations on that list have the worlds lowest income inequality, the lowest infant mortality, the highest quality of life in the entire world and the worlds happiest people?

...Do you notice a correlation?

Originally Posted by David48atTD

Some countries offer free tuition.


Norway. ...
Finland. ...
Sweden. ...
Germany. ...
France.


And what are the tax rates in those countries?

Well, Germany is in the low to mid 40s for their highest tax rate. uNZud isn't much lower and OZ isn't either. Added to which, just look at what you get for an uNZud tertiary education - low quality.

Originally Posted by bsnub

Do you notice any of their residents leaving due to high taxes? Of note the nations on that list have the worlds lowest income inequality, the lowest infant mortality, the highest quality of life in the entire world and the worlds happiest people?

...Do you notice a correlation?

Please also note that the federal government in NZ has started tuition-free first year university in uNZud

I think the reason you abhor the idea of free education is:

Originally Posted by David48atTD

I paid for my University education.

I took out a government loan for it.

I would have thought better of you.

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Originally Posted by David48atTD

I paid for my University education.

I took out a government loan for it.

Originally Posted by panama hat

I would have thought better of you.

Why so?

It's easy to make the accusation, but the explanation would make interesting reading.

Originally Posted by David48atTD

Why so?

It's obvious, your argument seems to be that you paid for yours so why should others get it for free.

I'd suggest most everyone on TD who earned a degree paid for it, yet you seem to be the only one to not be happy with free education . . . we don't/didn't have our girls in the public education system in NZ so it doesn't concern us directly, but it's still a good idea.

As for Uni - of course, it allows those who can't afford it the chance to contribute to society after they've graduated

Originally Posted by panama hat

It's obvious, your argument seems to be that you paid for yours so why should others get it for free.

I'd suggest most everyone on TD who earned a degree paid for it, yet you seem to be the only one to not be happy with free education . . . we don't/didn't have our girls in the public education system in NZ so it doesn't concern us directly, but it's still a good idea.

As for Uni - of course, it allows those who can't afford it the chance to contribute to society after they've graduated

I appreciate the reply. Honest, I don't agree, but respect.

As for "you paid for yours so why should others get it for free" ... nope, not at all.
Referring to the USA "36 percent of adults 25 to 34 years old and 32 percent of adults aged 45 to 64 years."
Why should the (roughly) 75 percent of the population who don't have a Uni/College Degree pay for those who do?

As for "yet you seem to be the only one to not be happy with free education" ... who knows what the majority of the TD forum think?
The majority of those posting on this thread are Democrat supporters so, it's logical that their comments reflect that thought, but it's a stretch to think that the majority agree with your supposition.

As for "contribute to society after they've graduated" ... let's be honest, what you actually mean is that ... lets give the kids a free Uni degree, let the US tax payers pay for it through higher taxes and pray that the Uni students repay a little of that through the fact they they earn more and thus, pay higher taxes.

Originally Posted by David48atTD

Yes and No ...

It's a fucked idea to forgive student loans.



It also implies FREE UNIVERSITY ... no, no, no.

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Bernie is like my crazy uncle ... I like him, like his visits ... but I don't want to share a house with him.

Problem with Sanders, like many hard left politicians (Tony Benn and Catweazle spring to mind), is they're too honest and open about their agenda to get the top job; and the problem when they occasionally do is it leads to disaster since they actually want to deliver on their promises which are between unrealistic and impossible.

Originally Posted by David48atTD

I appreciate the reply. Honest, I don't agree, but respect.

As for "you paid for yours so why should others get it for free" ... nope, not at all.
Referring to the USA "36 percent of adults 25 to 34 years old and 32 percent of adults aged 45 to 64 years."
Why should the (roughly) 75 percent of the population who don't have a Uni/College Degree pay for those who do?

As for "yet you seem to be the only one to not be happy with free education" ... who knows what the majority of the TD forum think?
The majority of those posting on this thread are Democrat supporters so, it's logical that their comments reflect that thought, but it's a stretch to think that the majority agree with your supposition.

As for "contribute to society after they've graduated" ... let's be honest, what you actually mean is that ... lets give the kids a free Uni degree, let the US tax payers pay for it through higher taxes and pray that the Uni students repay a little of that through the fact they they earn more and thus, pay higher taxes.

As I mentioned earlier, free tuition must lead to either spiralling uni fees or a systemic dumbing down on education; there is a third option, nationalisation so that the gov controls it, but that's even scarier.

Unis are businesses, and when a business is given payment guarantees by a third party to provide services, what should anyone with an iota of common sense expect?

And I'd sit a uniform outside every uni gate to count how many are going in each day, to tally against how many they're claiming for.

Originally Posted by bsnub

Yet you have provided fuck all to explain why people should be saddled with tens of thousands of dollars in debt the moment they leave Uni.

This ... https://teakdoor.com/speakers-corner...ml#post4064617 (2020 US Presidential Race)

snubs, do you have a Uni/College Degree?

If so ... what in?

Did you pay/are paying for it?

Originally Posted by jabir

nationalisation so that the gov controls it, but that's even scarier.

The majority of the Uni's in the US are public institutions that are controlled by the government that is the way it has always been and it is not scary at all unless you are a fear mongering right wing moron. A small minority are privately funded and the kids who choose to go to those institutions will still have to pay.

Originally Posted by jabir

Unis are businesses

Umm not in the US they aren't unless you are going to a private college and those are the minority in the US.

Originally Posted by David48atTD

snubs, do you have a Uni/College Degree?

If so ... what in?

Did you pay/are paying for it?

A lot of personal questions there. Firstly to respond to the post you linked it is the old "well why should I pay for something I don't use" argument which is total trash and always will be. "I don't take the train so why should I pay?", "There has never been a fire at my house so why should I pay for the fire department?" on and on. It is called the greater good David. It is part of being in a society. If you do not like that then perhaps you should book a flight to Mogadishu are some other failed state so you can tell the government to fook off.

With regards to me I have a bachelors degree from the University of Washington. I paid for most of my education with the help of a trust fund that my Grandfather set aside for me and a couple of scholarships I earned. The rest came out of my own pocket and no it is not something I am proud of unlike you.

Originally Posted by bsnub

the post you linked it is the old "well why should I pay for something I don't use" argument which is total trash and always will be. "I don't take the train so why should I pay?", "There has never been a fire at my house so why should I pay for the fire department?" on and on. It is called the greater good David. It is part of being in a society. If you do not like that then perhaps you should book a flight to Mogadishu are some other failed state so you can tell the government to fook off.

Originally Posted by bsnub

A lot of personal questions there. Firstly to respond to the post you linked it is the old "well why should I pay for something I don't use" argument which is total trash and always will be. "I don't take the train so why should I pay?", "There has never been a fire at my house so why should I pay for the fire department?" on and on. It is called the greater good David. It is part of being in a society. If you do not like that then perhaps you should book a flight to Mogadishu are some other failed state so you can tell the government to fook off.

With regards to me I have a bachelors degree from the University of Washington. I paid for most of my education with the help of a trust fund that my Grandfather set aside for me and a couple of scholarships I earned. The rest came out of my own pocket and no it is not something I am proud of unlike you.

^ Appreciate the candor.

I also believe in the greater good.

I also believe in subsidised train travel. Bus travel as well.
As kids going up, we never had a car, so it was public transport EVERYWHERE.

Well done with the Uni Degree. Lucky to have the Trust Account. We all need a bit of luck in the world.

I currently live in a country where is there is Universal Health Care, not free, but not expensive ... IT'S GREAT

But I just don't believe that Uni Degrees should be free. Others may disagree ... that's their prerogative.

Carry on

Originally Posted by panama hat

I think the reason you abhor the idea of free education is:

Originally Posted by ponzi sucker dave

I paid for my University education.

I took out a government loan for it.

further evidence....

Originally Posted by David48atTD

I also believe in subsidised train travel. Bus travel as well.
As kids going up, we never had a car, so it was public transport EVERYWHERE.

if something was subsidized for me, it's great for society.....if something is subsidized for someone else....well, fuck no....that's communism.

Originally Posted by David48atTD

But I just don't believe that Uni Degrees should be free. Others may disagree ... that's their prerogative.

But you have no argument why it is a good thing for these kids to pay. All you have is the "but I don't use it" cliched non argument. Tell me how society benefits by making kids pay for college? You claim that you believe in the greater good so please explain how society as a whole benefits by handcuffing kids with debt right out of college.

I will be waiting.

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Originally Posted by David48atTD

Democratic megadonor Bernard Schwartz

shaking in his boots. Can you feel the Bern mofo?

Originally Posted by bsnub

But you have no argument why it is a good thing for these kids to pay. All you have is the "but I don't use it" cliched non argument. Tell me how society benefits by making kids pay for college? You claim that you believe in the greater good so please explain how society as a whole benefits by handcuffing kids with debt right out of college.

I will be waiting.

I'd hate to keep you waiting.

World wide there are "About two dozen countries provide free tuition or nearly-free tuition at public colleges and universities to their citizens" So roughly 24 out of 193 countries think it's a great idea.

So, world wide the majority of people agree that if you undertake a University course, you should pay for it.

You say you shouldn't ... that Uni degrees should be free. Fair enough.

Originally Posted by aging one

shaking in his boots. Can you feel the Bern mofo?

Fuck ya I can and it is glorious. This shitbag also happens to be one of the biggest supporters/donors to Hillary's foundation. Fuck these establishment shitbags.