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    Sorry, my mistake

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    Wrong thread, sorry.
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    some interesting data and analysis on the bloomberg campaign......oh, sorry....the 'mayor mike' campaign.


    Michael Bloomberg’s prolific spending aims to make him as legitimate and familiar as his rivals. It also confronts two realities: President Trump is out-raising all the other Democrats with ease, and the Democratic National Committee is anemic.
    Why it matters: Bloomberg is betting that enough exposure — through a $300m+ ad campaign and a non-traditional run that looks past the early four states — will make him competitive in Super Tuesday, and make all Democrats stronger in the general election.

    • He’s blowing through cash to create a parallel (or bigger) unofficial, uncoordinated party infrastructure in case the DNC can’t help the eventual Democratic nominee enough in states that should be competitive with Trump.

    Driving the news: Bloomberg is publicly capitalizing on the chaos coming out of the Iowa caucus.

    • His campaign announced Tuesday that they will double their ad spending, which is expected to put it around $600 million for TV and digital ads alone.
    • That spending alone is over 9x all of the money the DNC raised in 2019.
    • Bloomberg, thanks in part to the massive exposure his ads have provided, has risen to 10% support in national polls — fourth place in the average of polls available.
    • That's despite the fact that he isn't competing with fellow Democrats in the early voting states, and he's the only candidate in the Top 8 who hasn't yet stood on the primary debate stage.

    Between the lines: The Republican National Committee can't match Bloomberg's spending either, but they've out-raised the DNC by more than two to one for eight months in a row.
    The big picture: Bloomberg's campaign has repeatedly said its will spend "whatever it takes" to defeat President Trump. There’s nothing stopping Bloomberg from topping $2 billion.

    • With 2,100 paid staff, Bloomberg has three times as many as Trump, five times as many as Joe Biden and more than twice as many as Elizabeth Warren, according to data the campaigns provided to Axios.
    • He pays his staff more than any other 2020 Democrat's campaign and offers housing if they have to move to New York City, according to a campaign official.

    What they're saying: "He’s building his own infrastructure, he has been able to invest in the tech and data to really build his own operation," said a Bloomberg campaign aide. "If you look at what happened in Iowa, it’s a good problem for us to have that we are self-reliant."
    By the numbers: In just over a month, Bloomberg spent more than the top 2020 contenders spent for the whole final quarter of 2019 combined, according to Federal Election Commission data. He also outspent the entire RNC and DNC.

    • He's locked down big names in Democratic politics, many of whom were crucial in Barack Obama's election.
    • Since January, Bloomberg has spent more on Facebook ads than Biden, Bernie Sanders, Pete Buttigieg and Warren combined.
    • Trump is the king of Facebook ads, but Bloomberg has spent $5.7 million more than the president's campaign in the past month.
    • Stories about Bloomberg have remained in the top 5 for social media interactions for the past few weeks, according to the Axios-Newswhip 2020 Attention Tracker.
    • But he doesn't get nearly the online attention that Biden, Sanders and Warren have long enjoyed — a metric that is often correlated to enthusiasm for a candidate.

    Our thought bubble: The question is, will the anti-capitalist base of the Democratic Party reject a billionaire because of his very ability to self-finance, or could Democrats rally around the idea that it will take a billionaire businessman to beat Trump?
    The bottom line: The American people are getting a lesson in how campaigns could be run if money were literally no object — and whether that’s enough to beat Trump.
    https://www.axios.com/bloomberg-spen...16ac20faf.html


    bloomberg has more than double the staff of anyone else (including trump)...and he's paying them more than anyone else (especially trump)...and they're under contract until november, whether he's the nominee or not.

    and even if he spent $2 billion, he wouldn't miss it.

    that's going to make trump crazy....which is great...but who knows if it will work.

    and all sorts of slippery slope/dangerous precedents being set as well.

    interesting times.


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    Jesus, you lot bitch about the pres you have and here you are looking to promote another billionaire. Have you worked out what the problem is yet? It truly is funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NamPikToot View Post
    Jesus, you lot bitch about the pres you have and here you are looking to promote another billionaire. Have you worked out what the problem is yet? It truly is funny.
    Ultimately they might have no choice.

    If he runs as an independent, they might as well give baldy orange cunto the Whitehouse keys at the Democractic convention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    He's locked down big names in Democratic politics, many of whom were crucial in Barack Obama's election.
    Bet he is in contact and getting support with more than a few not so happy with Trump influential Republicans as well.

    All Americans know candidates who raise and spend the most win. Nothing new now except Bloomberg is directly involved rather than indirectly with individual and corporate donations. Won't trouble with a huge text wall but here is a link for those who care to bother.

    Does More Campaign Money Actually Buy More Votes: An Investigation - The Atlantic

    Like it or not Bloomberg is just the force needed to get rid of the CinC (kunt in Chief).

    I say good riddance to bad rubbish.

    Politics makes strange bedfellows.

    "Political interests can bring together people who otherwise have little in common. This saying is adapted from a line in the play The Tempest, by William Shakespeare: “Misery acquaints a man with strange bedfellows.” It is spoken by a man who has been shipwrecked and finds himself seeking shelter beside a sleeping monster."

    The sleeping monster now has a name. Mayor Mike.
    Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NamPikToot View Post
    .... you are looking to promote another billionaire. Have you worked out what the problem is yet?.
    Yeah, the problem is, one is a successful businessman, philanthropist, politician, and an actual billionaire, and the other is a bullshit artist who lies about his net worth, has filed bankruptcy numerous times, has had multiple failed businesses, was caught defrauding 8 different charities, and refuses to release his tax returns.

    A slight difference

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    The big problem with Bloomberg is that he has the personality of a discarded newspaper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    The big problem with Bloomberg is that he has the personality of a discarded newspaper.
    Pesonality often Trumps personality.
    Something learned from a young lady in Olongapo City way back in 1964.
    Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NamPikToot View Post
    Jesus, you lot bitch about the pres you have and here you are looking to promote another billionaire. Have you worked out what the problem is yet? It truly is funny.
    The enemy of my enemy is my friend; Dems will easily overcome the nuance of their capitalist peeg running against the other capitalist peeg.

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    errr.....who on this forum is promoting bloomberg?



    although harry does seem to have a soft spot for "mayor mike".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Like it or not Bloomberg is just the force needed to get rid of the CinC (kunt in Chief).
    it's his money, not the man himself.

    do you really think he's going to get enough delegates in the primaries to win the nomination? the best he could hope for is a brokered convention if biden drops out early....and needless to say, a brokered convention would be a disaster.

    a few "minor" points to remember:

    he was ran and won for mayor of NYC as a republican...people are screaming about bernie not being a member of the democratic party, FFS.
    he instituted the 'stop and frisk' policy that targeted minorities
    other campaigns are treating him with kid gloves....for now.


    and if somehow he does get the nomination after a disastrous brokered convention.....the republicans are going to be all over him for his stance on gun control.....just the wedge issue trump is hoping for.

    bloomberg and his people know all this....which is why i strongly believe he has no genuine intention of actually running in the general (of course he'd do it if he's dealt the most improbable inside straight of all time)...it's all about keeping the party near the center and beating trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    do you really think he's going to get enough delegates in the primaries to win the nomination?
    Asked.


    And answered.
    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    i strongly believe he has no genuine intention of actually running in the general
    Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    errr.....who on this forum is promoting bloomberg?



    although harry does seem to have a soft spot for "mayor mike".
    Why do you think I have a soft spot for Mayor Mike? I simply pointed out that he has the financial power to outspend even Citizens United.

    And like it or not, baldy orange cunto got elected because of TV spots - in his case, though, most of them were free.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Why do you think I have a soft spot for Mayor Mike?
    well you coined that cute, little nick name for him.

    go on, harry. don't be shy. embrace it.

    you've probably got "mayor mike" photos on phone, don't you?

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    what can you do with $60 billion?

    have a look at the spread his campaign laid out for an office opening in ME....i'm confident that staffers on other campaigns in ME are staring at this photo with mouths agape.


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    look at that spread, it feels like a 5 star hotel breakfast buffet

    need to go there and take it all

    looks awesome

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    well you coined that cute, little nick name for him.

    go on, harry. don't be shy. embrace it.

    you've probably got "mayor mike" photos on phone, don't you?
    No.

    However I'm just happy that "Mayor Mike" gets on your tits so I'll just carry on using it.


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    Just to counteract what you just posted Peters..


    Moderate Democrats have a duty to consider Sanders. He has a clear path to beating Trump.

    Bernie Sanders isn't even my favorite senator running for the 2020 nomination. But I see his potential to unite the Democratic Party and oust Trump.


    Take Sanders seriously, he's led Trump in national polls for 5 years

    Notice the source is listed. USA Today. While yours turns out to be the Washington Examiner a well known conservative voice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aging one View Post
    Moderate Democrats have a duty to consider Sanders. He has a clear path to beating Trump.
    A very clear path. He would neutralize Dumps populist message in swing state areas that are strong union and usually democratic that switched to dump in 2016 you can take to the bank that his message will win those votes in Ohio, PA, Wisconsin etc. Dump fears the Bern you can take that to the bank.

    Quote Originally Posted by aging one View Post
    Notice the source is listed.. While your turns out to be the Washington Examiner a well known conservative voice.
    Ya a science denying far right rag that repeater666 reads like it was gospel from Jeebus himself.
    Last edited by bsnub; 12-02-2020 at 05:06 PM.

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    congrats to bernie and his supporters on his victory in NH.

    but they have to be very concerned about how slight that margin of victory was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    but they have to be very concerned about how slight that margin of victory was.
    not nearly as concerned as Joe Biden or Elizabeth Warren.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beachbound View Post
    Yeah, the problem is, one is a successful businessman, philanthropist, politician, and an actual billionaire, and the other is a bullshit artist who lies about his net worth, has filed bankruptcy numerous times, has had multiple failed businesses, was caught defrauding 8 different charities, and refuses to release his tax returns.

    A slight difference
    Philanthorpist is just a tag to spin the idea that you didnt make your money by screwing the small people for years whilst you accumulated. Lets see what any philanthropist does when they become prez.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aging one View Post
    Just to counteract what you just posted Peters..


    Moderate Democrats have a duty to consider Sanders. He has a clear path to beating Trump.

    Bernie Sanders isn't even my favorite senator running for the 2020 nomination. But I see his potential to unite the Democratic Party and oust Trump.


    Take Sanders seriously, he's led Trump in national polls for 5 years

    Notice the source is listed. USA Today. While yours turns out to be the Washington Examiner a well known conservative voice.

    Well yes it is from the Washington Examiner but is also written by a democrat. A warning to the party.

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