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    Quote Originally Posted by elche View Post
    Trump's lies and inaction are largely responsible for the largest number of deaths in the history of the US: 262,000 Covid deaths and counting in 6 months.
    And that's not including the deaths on roads and in riots and homicides...
    Unfortunately, he has not managed so efficiently as it would be by GWB and Obama, not to speak about the president elect...

    BTW, No. 10 in deaths per population, behind Belgium, Spain, Italy, UK..., Their health system is obviously even worse...

    Coronavirus Update (Live): 58,986,439 Cases and 1,393,689 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    BTW, No. 10 in deaths per population
    They are in the 8th place and about to overtake Brazil in a few days time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    it is a TV channel, no different in validity to Fox News.
    that's not even close to being true.
    there are legitimate journalists working at fox.....wallace, baier, griffen, roberts, and others.
    yes, there is an editorial slant to a lot of their news programs, but what they report is still based on fact. (please note that i'm not talking about anything on that channel but the news programs).
    OAN is a whole different animal. they're a propaganda arm for the current occupant of the white house.



    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    They are entitled to ask for press accreditation
    you're also entitled to ask, harry.
    doesn't mean you're going to (or should) get it.



    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    you have a First Amendment.
    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    ... this
    errr...you two don't really understand the first amendment, do you?
    but OK......go ahead and explain to me how denying someone WH press credentials would violate the first amendment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    Seems this one's too far out there even for the Trump campaign.
    seems you've changed your tune, eh shithead?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    look at this, listen to what Powell has to say and she's much more persuasive than crazy grandpa Guiliani.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    Not to be embarrassed when GWBush reading fairy-tales in a kindergarten
    When the opening statement of a reply begins with a lie, I read no further because know what follows will be a convoluted string of pointless statements.

    You obviously are not an American. If you were and living abroad you too would be embarrassed to admit to being one since Trump took office.

    Side note, Americans are not the only folks embarrassed to admit their nationality. Couple of Russians I often talk with over coffee at the local farang resturant claim they are Ukranian even though they talk to each other in Russian. Wonder why?
    Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Couple of Russians I often talk with over coffee at the local farang resturant claim they are Ukranian even though they talk to each other in Russian. Wonder why?
    I'm sure your correct Norton but ...

    If they came from the eastern side of the Ukrainian, say a city like Kharkiv, Russian is the first language there, much to my surprise trying to buy some milk in the Ma and Pa store with my Ukrainian phrase book

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    errr...you two don't really understand the first amendment, do you?
    but OK......go ahead and explain to me how denying someone WH press credentials would violate the first amendment.
    No need for us to explain it ... let the Supreme Court Judge do it for you ...

    in summing up the court case surrounding getting CNN’s Jim Acosta back in the White House ...
    Judge Timothy Kelly of the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia lent his thinking to the matter, which resulted in the granting of CNN’s request for the TRO — meaning that Acosta’s press pass will be reinstated.

    <snip>

    In his own summation, Kelly said that Sherrill stands for the proposition that the “Fifth Amendment’s due process clause protects a reporter’s First Amendment liberty interest in a White House press pass.”
    Ray, don't like it? Go argue with the District Court Judge

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    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    In his own summation, Kelly said that Sherrill stands for the proposition that the “Fifth Amendment’s due process clause protects a reporter’s First Amendment liberty interest in a White House press pass.”
    while i don't expect an ignoramus such as yourself to understand the difference between the first and fifth amendments....is it too much to ask that you comprehend there is a difference between the cardinal numbers first and fifth?

    poor newbie dave.....out of his depth again.

    While the judge didn’t rule on the underlying case, he ordered Acosta’s pass returned for now in part because he said CNN was likely to prevail on its Fifth Amendment claim — that Acosta hadn’t received sufficient notice or explanation before his credentials were revoked or been given sufficient opportunity to respond before they were.
    CNN'''s Acosta back at White House after judge'''s ruling

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    I'll just report the bits that sort of suit my argument.
    While the judge didn’t rule on the underlying case, he ordered Acosta’s pass returned for now in part because he said CNN was likely to prevail on its Fifth Amendment claim — that Acosta hadn’t received sufficient notice or explanation before his credentials were revoked or been given sufficient opportunity to respond before they were.
    And the line in the article directly above the one quoted by Ray reads ...

    CNN alleged that Acosta’s First and Fifth Amendment rights were violated when the White House revoked his “hard pass.”


    ... and they won



    Now Ray is quoting a News Reporter's words above ... I'm quoting the Judge.

    In his own summation, Kelly said that Sherrill stands for the proposition that the “Fifth Amendment’s due process clause protects a reporter’s First Amendment liberty interest in a White House press pass.”
    Someone is sitting in the shade today because someone planted a tree a long time ago ...


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    Ray, we can do this all afternoon ... up to you.

    BTW ... I liked your edit above, but 'ignoramus' is a bit harsh, don't you think?

    You do think Ray, don't you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    I'm quoting the Judge.
    and what did the judge say, newbie dave? you've already quoted him twice....but did you actually read or (better yet) understand it?

    keep in mind that there is a difference between 'first' and 'fifth' despite have several letters that are the same.





    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    BTW ... I liked your edit above, but 'ignoramus' is a bit harsh, don't you think?

    when it pertains to you and your level of knowledge and understanding of US politics and policy?


    no, newbie dave.


    not in the slightest.



    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    Ray, we can do this all afternoon ... up to you.

    well, i've got some time to watch you dig yourself into an even deeper hole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    You obviously are not an American.
    Our little mate Klondyke is Russian . . . hence his constant torrent of anti-wester/anti-US agitprop . . . and Russians like him are why your friends claim to be Ukrainian

    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Couple of Russians I often talk with over coffee at the local farang resturant claim they are Ukranian even though they talk to each other in Russian. Wonder why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    and what did the judge say, newbie dave? you've already quoted him twice....but did you actually read or (better yet) understand it?
    keep in mind that there is a difference between 'first' and 'fifth' despite have several letters that are the same.
    when it pertains to you and your level of knowledge and understanding of US politics and policy?
    no, newbie dave.
    not in the slightest.

    Ray, I'd like to play with you more, but my kids are asking to go kick a footy with them.

    From one child (Ray) to 2 kids ... all in a days fun.

    See you later in the sandpit Bro ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    Ray, we can do this all afternoon
    but less than 15 minutes later when he realizes he's made an ass of himself, he uses his girlfriend's kids as an excuse to run away.


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    Frankly, this thread is done just like Trump. Biden won, end of. The race is over except for the spectacle perpetrated by Bonespurs and his fearful political party.

    States will certify, electors will vote and Pence will announce the LOSER!

    And all along the way Republicans will acknowlege who the LOSER is. All except Frump the LOSER of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    he uses his girlfriend's kids as an excuse to run away.
    Oh ... that old gem. Ray, you are so predictable.

    Oh lookie, lookie ... found it.

    Thailand's Paternity and Custody Laws

    How perverse, bitter and twisted you must be to post that ... but the Forum knows that already


    Now that we've had a good kick around with the kids, let's grab that political football and see what goals we can score.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Biden won, end of. The race is over except for the spectacle perpetrated by Bonespurs and his fearful political party.

    States will certify, electors will vote and Pence will announce the LOSER!

    And all along the way Republicans will acknowlege who the LOSER is.
    i take your point, but i fear that there's a lot more to it than that.

    unfortunately we may look back on this two and half month period as a defining moment in the nation's short history....he's tearing at the fabric of american democracy and attempting to delegitamize our institutions....solely for the sake or his ego. tens of millions of americans either believe his lies or don't care that he's lying....they want to burn it all down too.
    and the spineless elected republicans who won't stand up to him out of fear of a tweet are pathetic. they know he lost and they know the danger he represents. but they stand by and pretend what he's doing is reasonable. they're not only putting party over country, they're putting their personal political futures over country.
    the above might come across as histrionic, but IMO something has to give soon....and it might already be too late.

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    Speaking of own goals ... Ray just keeps plugging away.

    Bro, I know it's difficult to understand, so let the National Law Review explain it for you.

    Unredacted, unedited, and, unlike Ray, not cherry picked ...

    The judge completely rejected the White House's argument that a series of tweets and releases from President Trump and Press Secretary Sarah Sanders, and an interim protest letter from CNN, furnished adequate process for Acosta. The judge then applied the legal standards for granting a temporary restraining order and found:


    • It was "unavoidable to conclude" that Acosta had demonstrated a likelihood of success on the merits of his claim. This is because the White House has opened portions of its grounds for the press to use, triggering "some kind of First Amendment liberty interest" once a journalist receives a press pass. As a result, while the President has the right to control the conduct of a press conference, his authority is governed by due process. Here, Acosta was not provided adequate process before his hard pass was revoked. The judge found that the White House's "belated" explanations were insufficient, and he noted that its initial statement that Acosta had been physically inappropriate to the intern who tried to take the microphone from him is "of questionable accuracy" and is "likely untrue."
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    • Acosta had demonstrated irreparable harm to his First Amendment liberty interest because, for every day he is banned from White House grounds, he loses opportunities for interviews and breaking news events. Judge Kelly rejected the government's argument that CNN has other pass-holders who have not been banned: "That CNN may send another journalist to the White House does not make the harm to Mr. Acosta any less irreparable."
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    • Finally, the judge held that the balance of the equities and the public interest favor Acosta, because "constitutional violations are always contrary to the public interest."


    DC Judge Rules White House Violated First Amendment In Pulling CNN Acosta Press Pass


    2020 US Presidential Race-screenshot_2020-11-23-old-man-yells

    Ray, if you don't understand that, you're just the old man yelling at clouds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    that's not even close to being true.
    there are legitimate journalists working at fox.....wallace, baier, griffen, roberts, and others.
    Yesterday they had some bird talking about a bloke who drove his car into the river.

    If that isn't a legitimate news story, I don't know what is.

    On as serious not, they report that baldy orange loser had a huge win in Pennslyvania.

    The story is true, although they might be stretching it a bit to say it's huge.

    That is no different to the shit Fox put out.

    If you allow one, there is no reason not to allow the other.

    Mind you at least Fox can be vaguely entertaining, they are as dour as shit all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Frankly, this thread is done just like Trump. Biden won, end of. The race is over except for the spectacle perpetrated by Bonespurs and his fearful political party.

    States will certify, electors will vote and Pence will announce the LOSER!
    You haven't answered me.

    What happens if he refuses to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    On as serious not, they report that baldy orange loser had a huge win in Pennslyvania.

    The story is true, although they might be stretching it a bit to say it's huge.

    That is no different to the shit Fox put out.
    Biden won Pennsylvania, how could the story be true?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aging one View Post
    Biden won Pennsylvania, how could the story be true?
    i think he's referring to a legal win of some sort.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    What happens if he refuses to?
    He won't. If he does will be the end of him politically and possibly end in criminal charges. In any case will come to naught as Biden will be the next Pres.

    The Congress counts the electoral votes and Pence announces the results. If he refuses to announce, the vote is there and Biden is Pres.

    Biden will take the oath of office and Trump will be escourted out of the White House at 12:00 p.m. on January 20th.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aging one View Post
    Biden won Pennsylvania, how could the story be true?
    Trump won a lawsuit that led to 3,000-odd ballots being thrown out.

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    blackstone's schwartzman says he's "ready to help president-elect biden".

    this is almost certain to cause....






    for him, but this could be the impetus to end this mess very quickly.

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