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    What if Trump makes a pre-emptive victory speech?

    Newsrooms across the United States are bracing for a potentially volatile election night, after reports suggested that Donald Trump is planning to declare “victory” on Tuesday even before results from critical battleground states have been determined.

    The president’s reported intention to make a premature – and potentially false – victory speech by the end of Tuesday night, with large numbers of mail-in ballots yet to be counted, has provoked intense journalistic debate. TV channels would be under pressure to air such an event on grounds that it is “news”, while aware that it amounted to dangerous misinformation that could stir violence across the nation and undermine the democratic process.


    Such a clash of responsibilities would amount to a heady climax in the American media’s extremely vexed relationship with Trump over the past four years.

    Were Trump to try to stage such a “victory” stunt it would chime with the relentless doubt that he has sown for months around the election, with repeated false claims that mail-in voting is riddled with fraud. His comments suggest that his aim is to create the illusion that the election is being stolen from him in states such as Pennsylvania where early results from in-person voting might favor Trump in a so-called “red mirage”, only for the balance to swing to Biden as absentee ballots are counted beyond election day.


    As Jake Tapper, chief Washington correspondent for CNN, pointed out, any premature claim of victory would be electorally meaningless, the equivalent of a football coach bragging about having won at half-time. “That’s not how it works and it’s not up to him,” Tapper said in a tweet.

    But it would still present media outlets with a classic Trump conundrum. How do you cover a presidential “victory” speech that is founded upon hot air yet has the potential to cause serious public discord?


    Vivian Schiller, a former president and CEO of National Public Radio who was also NBC News’s chief digital officer, said that news organizations have no excuse for being unprepared for such an eventuality. Headlines such as “Trump declares victory”, especially on social media, could “shape public opinion and become a weapon against truth and trust in the democratic process,” she told the Guardian.


    Schiller, who in her current role as executive director of Aspen Digital has co-written a 10-point plan for news rooms on how to cover a historically toxic election, proposed that TV channels should actively counter any Trump gambit. One technique would be to display a fixed on-screen banner reminding viewers that the votes are still being counted with no winner yet declared.


    “If Trump goes on for more than a minute or two with falsehoods, cut away from the live feed and have your reporters explain that elections are not ‘called’ by their contestants,” she said. “Explain why such a premature declaration of victory is both wrong and dangerous.”


    Jay Rosen, journalism professor at New York University, responded to the Axios story by calling on newsrooms to step up and meet the challenge. A premature Trump “victory” declaration would be the most important test yet of what he called the “fading maxim” that whatever the US president says is news.


    That maxim, Rosen said on Twitter, was “corroded beyond repair by its abuser”.


    Election night is also likely to present the social media giants with challenges, after they struggled to counter misinformation throughout the presidential election cycle. Facebook has said it will block political ads on its platform after polls close on Tuesday as its contribution towards protecting the integrity of the ballot.


    Twitter last month said that it would not allow either Trump or Biden to claim victory unless the result had been authoritatively called by state election officials or at least two recognized national news outlets making their own independent election calls.
    ‘It’s not up to him’: how media outlets plan to sidestep any Trump ‘victory’ news | US news | The Guardian

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    ^Millsfield, the next town over, voted minutes later - 16-5 for Trump. Just more meaningless numbers...............

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton View Post
    Just more meaningless numbers...............
    Polling stations on the East coast opened 12 minutes ago. This thing is underway. We should start to see results in the next 10-12 hours. It is on now.

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    Can I start drinking now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton View Post
    ^Millsfield, the next town over, voted minutes later - 16-5 for Trump. Just more meaningless numbers...............
    It is what happens when you marry close family members.

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    Regardless of the outcome, I claim victory for China. The US political system is a debased mess, and because of that fact it has denigrated the cause of Democracy worldwide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    the feeling like this election isn't going to erase years of growing partisanship,
    this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    The "Trump crap" as you describe it is News, plain old News, nothing more, nothing less.

    I have a financial stake in this. When the US Politicians couldn't agree on a 2nd financial stimulus, I changed my 401 into fixed interest and out of international shares. The US Market still has a major impact on world markets.

    "The comparison to a horse race" referred to the News cycle in Australia.

    About the PM ... up to you.


    AO, I understand your passion, your zeal, but there is no need to dump on other Members.
    We all have a stake because of empire. The US president is the mayor of DC and the dictator of the world.

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    Arf...

    Betfair arranged a special horse race to mark polling day in the 2020 US Election at Lingfield. Blond SuperTrump burst out of the gates to take a lead over grey BidenHisTime. The equine contenders were locked head-to-head for most of the five-furlong race, with a dramatic, decisive dash to the finish line won by BidenHisTime.

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    ... worth a look if missed the first time.

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    Looks like we will know pretty much the winners n losers in a few hours.
    A relief after months of campaigning and media preoccupation with US politics.
    And not just US media. Covered every day on local Thai news as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Looks like we will know pretty much the winners n losers in a few hours.
    A relief after months of campaigning and media preoccupation with US politics.
    And not just US media. Covered every day on local Thai news as well.
    Even if we know the result by the end of the evening, I dare say win or lose the actions of Trump will keep him and the elections in the news every day until handover (if Biden/Harris win) anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRealKW View Post
    Even if we know the result by the end of the evening, I dare say win or lose the actions of Trump will keep him and the elections in the news every day until handover (if Biden/Harris win) anyway.
    True


    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    A relief after months of campaigning and media preoccupation with US politics.

    The sheer ridiculous nature of US politics is that in a shirt while it'll start al over again

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    Yep. Seems never ending PH.

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    The train wreck of American politics has no set expiration date.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton View Post
    Just more meaningless numbers...............
    Yep. Going to have a lot of this as early returns roll in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S Landreth View Post
    Politico is doing a good job,
    As they always do. Good source.

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    The first polling stations close in 8 minutes, so we will see some results trickling in.

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    Yep. A few in traditionally red states.

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    This looks like the fun thread tonight

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    CNN has projected Trump wins Indiana

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    Biden 0 Trump 11

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