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    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    Mike Pence's closest aide tests positive for coronavirus
    as of this moment, there are 4 confirmed cases that are connected to the VP's office, newbie dave.....not just his COS.

    and there are indications that the number is higher than 4, but meadows is trying to hide the info because it would be a crushing blow to the campaign.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nidhogg View Post
    The "businessman one day, leader of the country next day" scenario could not happen in UK.
    and it shouldn't.

    it's madness to think that someone with not a day's worth of service in govt. could suddenly walk in and run the entire operation competently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    as of this moment, there are 5 confirmed cases that are connected to the VP's office, newbie dave.....not just his COS.

    Did I say there was just one?

    Ray, feel free to share any news items you have

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    Quote Originally Posted by nidhogg View Post
    I think the biggest consequential difference betwee the two systems is that the party leader (who may end up as Prime Minister) usually has a long career in government, often with quite senior portfolios. The "businessman one day, leader of the country next day" scenario could not happen in UK.
    Couldn't happen in most European countries either.

    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    What system do you have to control how the parties behave in regards to voting , for instance that one party does not try to mess up another parties nominating prosses by infiltrating it and getting some idiot who has no chance of being elected , or even supports that party's platform nominated.
    There are no independent in Sweden, all candidates belongs to a party and the party decides who should be nominated and put on the party's list.
    The party selects those they think can best represent the party, if a quisling wants to sneak in then he first has to spend long time in the party before he can convince its members that he is the one to nominate.
    Want to become a politician? You can register your own party after showing that you have the support of x hundred thousand voters.
    No bogus party's like in Thailand. If you get more than 4% of the total votes in an election then the party is entitled to get government monetary support otherwise the party has to cover its costs by itself.
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    i can't imagine it'll happen soon, but the US needs to hold a second constitutional convention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nidhogg View Post
    Nah, that is cool. From what I remember, you register at your local Electoral Registration Office (now you can do so on line). You need your National Insurance number (you get this issued by the Government some time before your 16th Birthday). You will then get added to your local electoral register. No affiliation is part of this.

    UK is divided into some 500 or so constituencies, each of which elects one person to parliament. People stand for election as independents, or belonging to one of the established parties (e.g the big two -labour and conservative). Election day I ruck up and vote for the person I would like to represent my constituency - only that. Biggest party (most elected members of parliament) forms the government.

    The big difference is that the Prime Minister is selected by the party *not* the electorate. (Obviously going into the election there are candidates who are identified by the parties as who will lead the party as Prime Minister if the party gets to form the government).

    I think the biggest consequential difference betwee the two systems is that the party leader (who may end up as Prime Minister) usually has a long career in government, often with quite senior portfolios. The "businessman one day, leader of the country next day" scenario could not happen in UK.
    your registration system sounds relatively similar to ours , I think you might have a different system of nominating candidates , thus the difference in affiliation registration if there is any.
    Personally I think that both you system of electing (shorter campaigning timeline),, and governing ,having to form majority governments by forming coalitions between parties. which fosters diversity of thought, and compromise.Are vastly superior.
    We are trapped in this bipolar two party , media show of perpetual campaigning. Any divergent third party idea is seen as a spoiler by one side or the other and short lived. And the incredible costs of perpetual campaigning has enslaved the system to big money.
    The sooner you fall behind, the more time you have to catch up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    We are trapped in this bipolar two party , media show of perpetual campaigning. Any divergent third party idea is seen as a spoiler by one side or the other and short lived. And the incredible costs of perpetual campaigning has enslaved the system to big money
    It's exceptional...

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    Quote Originally Posted by lom View Post
    Want to become a politician? You can register your own party after showing that you have the support of x hundred thousand voters.
    Needed to run in an election :

    Denmark: 20000 signatures ( if you want to run only in 1 district you'll need 150)
    Norway: 500
    Sweden: 1500

    Kinda easy to get some fresh blood

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    You’re a cultist Repeater. You can’t argue on the facts so all you ever do is resort to puerile retorts like that
    Tit for tat

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    We're in the final stretch of the election campaign, so get ready for the latest GOP/Trump trick. Don't be surprised if Barr, second in command of the Trump crime syndicate, tries to repeat what Comey did to Hillary in 2016 by making a grand announcement into opening up an investigation into Biden and his son shortly. Get ready for it. Fox News, trump campaign headquarters, will be part of the plan in advance in order to make this as explosive as possible.

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    I see that the old GOP ploy and trickery of spreading false hope worked on the media regarding Barrett's SCOTUS appointment. As usual, a few Republican senators, this time Murkowski and Romney, float the idea that they may break with Trump to take the pressure off but flip days before a vote is taken.

    Lisa Murkowski announces she will vote yes to confirm Amy Coney Barrett - CNNPolitics
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    ^ Good luck to them with that. 57 million people already voted. A bit late for a second October surprise.

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    Might be a tad too much to declare the US a failed state for not being able to control its southern border, however: I have no doubt that many will be swallowing this:
    Quote Originally Posted by elche View Post
    a grand announcement into opening up an investigation into Biden and his son shortly.
    ...and if they do, it goes to show, that the Americans, are infact a failed people.
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    Biden rises in popularity despite doubt and attacks

    Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden has endured a long and bruising campaign, with repeated attacks on his policies, his family, his mental faculties - and, often, sustained doubts even from those inside his own party.
    Democrats spurned him in the early primary season contests and worried throughout the fall in a general election that began with Biden under fire for campaigning mostly from his basement. Party factions feared Biden would fail to shore up the Democratic base or that he had lost a step due to his age. Allies fretted he would stumble in debates with President Donald Trump and his gaffes would give ample material to his tenacious opponent.


    But the circumstances of this campaign - a pandemic and an economic collapse costing millions of jobs and making even the still-employed feel vulnerable - have pushed the race in the direction of Biden's strong suits and against his deficits, shining a bright light on his empathy and sober experience and casting his flaws into the shadows.

    He has emerged with more Americans viewing him favorably now than at this time last year, the opposite of the usual trajectory of a campaign and far different from the circumstances that faced Hillary Clinton in 2016. He holds a national lead approaching double digits and narrower but stable leads in many battleground states. He enters the final stretch with far more money to spend than Trump as he reaches for the pinnacle of a political career, one that has eluded him twice before.


    The closing days of one of the most unusual presidential campaigns in history conclude years of Democratic anger and angst over how to defeat the man they view as a historically damaging figure in American politics. Biden's approach, however, has relied on the same traits and tactics he has utilized over the past half-century in politics.

    MORE Biden rises in popularity despite doubt and attacks - NewsTimes

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    Quote Originally Posted by helge View Post
    Needed to run in an election :

    Denmark: 20000 signatures ( if you want to run only in 1 district you'll need 150)
    Norway: 500
    Sweden: 1500

    Kinda easy to get some fresh blood
    UK as an independent: £500 deposit (will lose this if you fail to gain 5% of votes cast). Can't be serving military or police and must be solvent. You are also restricted to the amount you can spend. Never sure what the limit is and how it is applied but you need to declare all donations and spending over £10K.

    Monster Raving Loony Party; The Gremloids (Lord Buckethead); Bus Pass Elvis Party etc. are still fighting on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    Monster Raving Loony Party; The Gremloids (Lord Buckethead); Bus Pass Elvis Party etc. are still fighting on.

    But won't get elected

    By us they would have a shot at it, cause the cake consists of 175 seats.

    Years ago a guy from Union of deliberate work-shy Elements won a seat in parlament.

    Gave him quite the shock

    Slogan:

    "If work is so healthy, then give it to the sick"

    . Among his outrageous campaign promises were: 8 hours of free time, 8 hours of rest and 8 hours of sleep; more
    tailwind on bicycle paths; promises of better weather; right to impotency; Nutella in field rations (which was actually implemented); and shorter queues in supermarkets.[6][7]Asylum rated his win in the parliamentary election the 11th greatest prank of all time.[7] When his portrait was hung in the parliament, Haugaard commented that it should serve as a warning that any idiotic populist might get elected.

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    The end for Trump?

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    Donald Trump was elected to office in 2016 on the promise that he would "Make America Great Again".
    Four years on, he's presiding over a nation that is bitterly divided with a troubled economy and a population ravaged by the COVID-19 pandemic.

    With just over a week to go before polling day, Four Corners examines whether Donald Trump can once again defy the polls and his critics and secure a second presidential term.

    Opinion polls are giving Democrat contender Joe Biden a decisive lead, and despite Donald Trump's insistence, even some of his most prominent supporters concede he has a battle on his hands.


    144,837 views - Oct 26, 2020



    The U.S. Presidential Election: Can Donald Trump can once again defy the polls? | Four Corners
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    If Trump wins the election, will all the whinging crying babies actually try to stop him being being POTUS? Will this see troops on the street and full on revoluation? We know what poor losers DemoCrips are after all.

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    ^^^^ so true. The whole world is laughing at us.
    Even after we get rid of the idiot in the Whitehouse, It will be a long time until we get rid of the stigma that we elected him. I am afraid this moron had done lasting damage to the reputation of the Uniped States of America, out enemies now know what buttons to push.

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    While a Joe Biden victory will certainly be less embarassing for the USA (and the West in general), it still isn't exactly a victory for addressing the real structural issues that besiege the USA. And any positive difference it will make in the USA's awful, belligerent foreign policy is far from clear. Trump obviously failed to deliver, but I can see why his Maverick, non-Establishment schmaltz rang a chord with many US people. Biden in contrast, is a Beltway fossil.


    Sorry to rain on the premature parade, but to what extent a Biden Presidency will be an improvement on Trump- an admittedly low bar- has yet to be established. I for one know little of what to expect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus View Post
    will all the whinging crying babies actually try to stop him being being POTUS?
    He has been POTUS with a GOP-controlled and Mitch 'I'm Gonna Make Him A One Term President Obstructionist' McConnel led Senate so that narrative doesn't work and as per most of these things is just a right-wing echo chamber talking point of what they are guilty of themselves. Snowflakes gonna snowflake and play the victim and Trump is the snowiest of all snowflakes -- a weak man who constantly whines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus View Post
    If Trump wins the election, will all the whinging crying babies actually try to stop him being being POTUS?
    Wrong again, snowflake. That's what Trump would try to do if Biden won, as he has said so himself. Democrats believe in the law.
    Btw, you still haven't answered my question.

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