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    The apocalypse scenario

    Democratic lawyers are preparing to challenge any effort by President Trump to swap electors chosen by voters with electors selected by Republican-controlled legislatures. One state of particular concern: Pennsylvania, where the GOP controls the state house.


    Why it matters: Trump's refusal to commit to a peaceful transfer of power, together with a widely circulated article in The Atlantic about how bad the worst-case scenarios could get, is drawing new attention to the brutal fights that could jeopardize a final outcome.


    What we're hearing: Stung by the Supreme Court Bush v. Gore decision in 2000, there’s a separate effort to ensure that no state recounts, like Florida in 2000, are cut short by the Supreme Court, according to a Democratic attorney familiar with the strategy.


    The Biden campaign has been reluctant to telegraph their precise strategy, but campaign officials have enlisted thousands of lawyers and volunteers on voter protection efforts across the country, and have set up national and state voter hotlines, according to the campaign.


    They also plan an aggressive response to vote suppression activities.


    And Trump advisers are ready to challenge the legitimacy of the election results, especially with the expected late wave of Democratic mail ballots. They're also ready to defend against Democratic lawyers who mount their own election challenges.


    One Trump campaign source told Axios that their lawyers will litigate where needed, including suing in key states that have changed election laws to allow for an extended period of time to vote or to count ballots.


    “There are a lot of options if it turns out that the election results aren’t fair and free,” the source said.


    The big picture: Trump's own advisers are providing a reality check: the Constitution makes it clear that, even if Trump chooses denial, if Joe Biden is elected president he will be president on Jan. 20.


    "Trump can say 'I don't concede, I think it's rigged,' but he would not be the president," a Trump legal adviser told Axios.


    But legal experts are increasingly worried about how the next president will be chosen if the mechanics for democratic elections fall apart and we face a constitutional crisis.


    Some lawyers, especially Democrats, don't like to talk about it because they don't want to discourage voters who already feel their votes won’t matter — but they're still gaming out different scenarios so that they are prepared to respond for any event.


    David Rivkin, who served in the White House counsel’s office and Justice Department under Presidents Reagan and George H.W. Bush, warned about what he characterized as the "Titanic scenario":


    Disputed election results in many states with potentially inconsistent opinions on the same legal issues.


    A deadlocked Supreme Court if Trump doesn't fill Ruth Bader Ginsburg's seat before the election.


    It becomes up to the House of Representatives to declare the winner. But the question of who controls the delegations in the House may also be at play, given that every member of Congress is also up for reelection this year.


    “It’s tremendously dangerous from every perspective,” said Rivkin, who supports Trump.


    Benjamin Ginsberg, a top GOP election lawyer, says Trump could ask for state recounts and even contest the election in states if he finds fraud. "The biggest concern is that Trump throws the results of the election — and therefore the peaceful transfer of power into doubt — by unsupported rhetoric,” he said.


    Between the lines: Trump's answer to the question about the peaceful transfer of power — "we're going to have to see what happens" — is a catchphrase he uses often when he doesn't want to answer a question.


    But it would have been an easy answer for any other president, and he forced the GOP to spend Thursday doing cleanup. Nearly every Republican insisted there will be a peaceful transition of power, and how any assertion otherwise would be a rejection of American democracy.


    Aides to the president argued Thursday that Trump is being misinterpreted, and that he instead was refusing to say whether he'd accept a losing result without a legal fight.


    For the record: "The Biden campaign has assembled the biggest voter protection program in history to ensure the election runs smoothly and to combat any attempt by Donald Trump to create fear and confusion with our voting system, or interfere in the democratic process," said campaign spokesman Michael Gwin.


    And the Trump campaign says it's just focused on the "integrity" of the election. "The Trump campaign is fighting to ensure every valid ballot across America counts as we work to deliver the free and fair election Americans deserve," said campaign general counsel Michael Morgan.


    The bottom line: The worst-case scenarios don't always happen, and they may not with this election. But 2020 has already been a year full of worst-case scenarios.

    Democrats prepare for the apocalypse scenario of backdoor elector swaps - Axios

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    Somebody in history probably said it nicer, but nidhogg says " he who plays by the rules always loses to someone who does not".

    I have a bad feeling.....

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    I don't think the Democrat party actually said anything, but there were lots of people imploring the electors to use their votes for Clinton because she won the popular vote.

    They didn't listen then, and there definitely isn't any argument for them to change a winning vote to the person who lost the popular vote (and that is definitely going to be the bald orange cunto).

    If he somehow manages to change the electors for lackeys and tries that on, then there definitely will be riots in the street.

    If Republicans help him do it, then they share the responsibility.

    You can only hope that his continued, brazen attempts at undermining the election result in the biggest turnout in history, because a massive slap in the face will give even the despicable GOP pause.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    You can only hope that his continued, brazen attempts at undermining the election result in the biggest turnout in history, because a massive slap in the face will give even the despicable GOP pause.
    Word, and its going to happen. Knock on wood..

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    Remember this?

    Quote Originally Posted by deeks View Post
    And here we go, just the tip of the iceburg ? . The thing that amazes me is that it seems to be always in the republican advantage
    Investigators Recover Discarded Pro-Trump Military Ballots


    The 9 discarded ballots were tossed because Republicans won their lawsuit requiring them to not be counted: report

    Major news is coming in over the “case” of the nine “discarded” ballots from Luzerne County, Pennsylvania that President Donald Trump revealed to Fox News Radio on Thursday.


    Here’s what appears to have happened.


    The ballots were discarded by a temporary, or “contract” worker assigned to sort the mail who appears to have been following direction.


    They ballots were military ballots, not absentee or other by-mail ballots.


    The county immediately reported what happened to federal officials, who appear to have immediately politicized the issue.


    “Because these ballots were returned in envelopes similar to absentee ballot requests, elections officials opened them,” The Washington Post reports.

    “If the ballots weren’t then enclosed in another envelope which shielded the actual vote being cast, they may have been considered ‘naked ballots,’ a term used to describe mail ballots returned without the voter’s intent being protected.


    The Trump campaign and the Pennsylvania GOP in a lawsuit argued that “naked ballots” should not be counted. They won that lawsuit. These nine ballots appear to be “naked ballots,” and that appears to be the reason they were thrown out.

    The contract worker has been told to not return.


    Buzzfeed adds it appears the DOJ violated its own policy by issuing a press release about the “discarded” ballots, and even worse, suggesting this is a case of election fraud, and even worse than that, suggesting one candidate over another was favored.


    MSNBC adds that county officials were not aware of who the ballots were for until the DOJ’s press release was issued.


    Attorney General Bill Barr personally briefed President Trump about the discarded ballots. Trump and his White House press secretary then politicized the event.


    The county elections supervisor was exceedingly thorough.

    “Garbage from the Elections Bureau from September 14 through September 16, the time the independent contractor was on County property, was put in a dumpster and secured by County staff,” a local Pennsylvania news report states. “The trash was then searched by the FBI, the Luzerne County District Attorney’s Office, the Pennsylvania State Police and county staff. All contents relating to the matter were taken by the FBI.”

    The 9 discarded ballots were tossed because Republicans won their lawsuit requiring them to not be counted: report – Raw Story


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    A few Republican senators have said they will respect the outcome of the election, but they can't be trusted, if you go by their track record over the last 4 years. Instead, the GOP, Fox News and right wing radio are preparing for their coup.

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    How surreal. Voters don't vote for candidates directly but vote to select voters.
    Who can vote for whoever without reference to the votes that put them there.
    This is democracy ?

    And that idiocy isn't even necessary to return the turd to the task.
    Nixon was on the nose in 72 and was obviously a sleazy incompetent, and won in a landslide.

    Winnie and the Russian thug must be having a fine old time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by docmartin View Post
    How surreal. Voters don't vote for candidates directly but vote to select voters.
    Who can vote for whoever without reference to the votes that put them there.
    This is democracy ?

    And that idiocy isn't even necessary to return the turd to the task.

    Winnie and the Russian thug must be having a fine old time.
    I do not know how Winnie (who is she, anyway?) nor Russians, but the ones who are behind these "democratic" elections are surely having a fine old time...

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    Winnie is a chemical engineer with a law degree who runs China in his spare time.
    The Russian is a narcissist judo enthusiast who likes cash. Lost of cash. But loves power even more.

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    A one-percenter ^

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    Quote Originally Posted by docmartin View Post
    The Russian is a narcissist judo enthusiast who likes cash. Lost of cash. But loves power even more.



    Quote Originally Posted by docmartin View Post
    Winnie is a chemical engineer with a law degree who runs China in his spare time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nidhogg View Post
    Somebody in history probably said it nicer, but nidhogg says " he who plays by the rules always loses to someone who does not".

    I have a bad feeling
    he will burn it all down and not think twice about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by docmartin View Post
    The Russian is a narcissist judo enthusiast who likes cash. Lost of cash. But loves power even more.
    Unlike his counterparts on the other side of the world who do not like the cash neither the power...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    Unlike his counterparts on the other side of the world who do not like the cash neither the power...
    You're learning . . . but still stick to your favoured whataboutism

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    I hate to make predictions now. We are entering very uncertain times. It may end very badly.

    I can't write much now because I'm in the hospital and all I have is my mobile phone.

    I fear the worst but hold out hope for the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Humbert View Post
    I can't write much now because I'm in the hospital and all I have is my mobile phone.
    Whatever it is you're in hospital for - hope you're better soon

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    Quote Originally Posted by Humbert View Post
    It may end very badly.
    florida is the key....which is crazy in and of itself.....very 2020, actually.

    the concern is that trump will try to manipulate the country by saying the "red mirage" is actually real, and declare victory before all votes are counted....and quite possibly attempt to stop votes from being counted.

    in addition to being an east coast state, florida starts counting absentee and mail-in ballots 3 weeks before election day.....it's very likely we're going to have a result out of florida on the night of the election.

    if the general consensus is that biden won florida, it's pretty much over for trump....of course their are still tenuous paths to victory, but it's incredibly unlikely for him to get to 270 without florida.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    florida is the key.....
    Florida mom…………..




    Quote Originally Posted by Humbert View Post
    I can't write much now because I'm in the hospital........
    Hope you’ll receive the care needed and get out soon.

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    ^Better to mask up and go vote early.

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    Got my absentee GA ballot but can't print or mail it because of my current predicament.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    florida is the key....which is crazy in and of itself.....very 2020, actually
    Exactly Ray. Dems are and need to be getting out vote in particularly white female burbs as well as making damn sure all registered Dems get out to vote. Do this and the party is over for the coward, President bone spurs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Exactly Ray. Dems are and need to be getting out vote in particularly white female burbs as well as making damn sure all registered Dems get out to vote. Do this and the party is over for the coward, President bone spurs.

    Looking from outside in, the upcoming American election shouldn’t even
    be close , with all the shit poured over the average American voter by
    the snake oil salesman , you would think Biden , or even Joe Blow would
    be a shoe in, but he ain’t. ............ Only in America.

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    Show me where the enthusiasm is?
    This news reporter knows.
    Look at all them happy people.

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    For those that hate Trump and have never seen a rally, try to understand why people love him so much, put the bias aside and feel the energy he creates for the country, no flag burners here, they love their country, they love that they have a president that say's "we" won, "we" are going to win again.


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