2020 US Presidential Race

**Maanaam** · 20-04-2019, 07:57 PM

**qwerty** · 20-04-2019, 08:20 PM

The Dem primaries will be... interesting. It's a big field and the debates will probably be a train crash.

Quite frankly, though, I don't think that the debates or the quality or gender or sexual orientation or ethnicity or religion of the Democratic candidate will be the deciding factor. The US's economic indicators will be the best indicator as to whether Trump is re-elected. If the stock market crashes and unemployment rises, he's toast. If the economy continues growing, he'll probably squeak into a second term. (God help us all!)

**David48atTD** · 21-04-2019, 04:45 AM

Originally Posted by qwerty

The US's economic indicators will be the best indicator as to whether Trump is re-elected.
If the stock market crashes and unemployment rises, he's toast.
If the economy continues growing, he'll probably squeak into a second term. (God help us all!)

... +1

**Buckaroo Banzai** · 21-04-2019, 05:06 AM

If trump can be elected President, anyone can be elected President !
I am even considering running if I would be allowed to spend six months out of the year in Thailand. trump spends eight months out of the year playing golf and the rest playing with himself, why shouldn't I be allowed to spend six months out of my presidency in Thailand?

**David48atTD** · 24-04-2019, 06:33 AM

Referring to the Mueller report ...

To briefly recap, the document says:

Trump campaign aides welcomed contact from Russia, a foreign adversary of the US which was trying to swing the election in the President's favour, and yet they didn't alert authorities (imagine if staffers in Canberra acted in a comparable way towards Chinese operatives with ties to the party in Beijing?)
Members of Team Trump deleted "communications" and lied repeatedly to investigators, which "materially impaired the investigation" into Russian meddling
Mr Trump himself tried to sway, curtail and even kill the inquiry

Pointedly investigators did not "exonerate" him of obstruction of justice — an impeachable crime.

So, what should his Democratic opponents do?

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Elizabeth Warren has become the first Democratic candidate to call for impeachment

Here

IMHO, not a wise move by Warren.

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'Ole Joe has apparently waiting to later this week before he announcing his candidacy.

**Humbert** · 24-04-2019, 01:03 PM

Seems like Bernie has delivered a gift to Trump by coming out in favor of giving people serving prison sentences the right to vote.

**Maanaam** · 24-04-2019, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by Humbert

Seems like Bernie has delivered a gift to Trump by coming out in favor of giving people serving prison sentences the right to vote.

Why is it a gift to Trump? Most of Trump's hardcore base would know someone in prison and thus might be attracted to Bernie for the idea.
Bernie should also announce a plan to reduce tax on bait and beer. Steal Trump's base.

**Klondyke** · 24-04-2019, 01:28 PM

4 years POTUS election + 4 years POTUS destruction = 8 years population distraction = 8 years undisturbed governing by (please no names here)

**Klondyke** · 25-04-2019, 04:46 PM

CNN - Presidential Town Hall with Senator Bernie Sanders

**bsnub** · 25-04-2019, 04:52 PM

Bibi is a racist and so is his government just like Trump and his government. Not much of a stretch to see it.

**raycarey** · 25-04-2019, 05:36 PM

if you could vote in a dem primary today (or whenever you read this) who would you vote for?

i'd vote for kamala harris.

she's smart, she's tough, she's experienced, she's likable, she'll turn out the base and attract independents, and most importantly....she'll not only hold her own against trump in debates and other 'back and forths', she'll take it to him.

IMO, at this point in time she's the candidate with the best chance to win.

**tomcat** · 25-04-2019, 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by raycarey

who would you vote for?

...Harris for Pres, Mayor Pete for VP...or the other way around...

**raycarey** · 25-04-2019, 06:59 PM

^ let's see how he holds up over the next 12 months, but i like what i've seen so far. i also like what beto could bring to the ticket.

and i don't know if either harris or biden would go for it, but i think he'd be great in a second round of vp. he could show her the ropes in a first term and also further cement his place in history.

**bsnub** · 25-04-2019, 07:04 PM

**harrybarracuda** · 25-04-2019, 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by raycarey

^ let's see how he holds up over the next 12 months, but i like what i've seen so far. i also like what beto could bring to the ticket.

and i don't know if either harris or biden would go for it, but i think he'd be great in a second round of vp. he could show her the ropes in a first term and also further cement his place in history.

They are still hammering away at Beto about his DUI, that will be Fox News' theme until he's out of the race.

https://www.texastribune.org/2019/04...-officers-say/

**harrybarracuda** · 25-04-2019, 07:22 PM

OK Biden's in.

WASHINGTON (AP) - Former Vice President Joe Biden formally joined the crowded Democratic presidential contest on Thursday, declaring the soul of the nation at stake if President Donald Trump wins re-election.

In a video posted on Twitter , Biden focused on the 2017 deadly clash between white supremacists and counter protesters in Charlottesville, Virginia. Biden noted Trump's comments that there were some "very fine people" on both sides of the violent encounter, which left one woman dead.

"We are in the battle for the soul of this nation," Biden said. "If we give Donald Trump eight years in the White House, he will forever and fundamentally alter the character of this nation - who we are. And I cannot stand by and watch that happen."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap...-campaign.html

**Cujo** · 25-04-2019, 07:50 PM

I think Harris is too far out there.
Like it or not it needs to be a straight white male to beat Trump.

**raycarey** · 25-04-2019, 09:08 PM

Originally Posted by Cujo

I think Harris is too far out there.

Originally Posted by Cujo

insightful.

Originally Posted by Cujo

Like it or not it needs to be a straight white male to beat Trump.

you're not just wrong (and bigoted), you're flat out ignorant.

**Klondyke** · 25-04-2019, 09:11 PM

Are they with such attitude illegible for a POTUS?

**Cujo** · 25-04-2019, 11:00 PM

Originally Posted by raycarey

insightful.

you're not just wrong (and bigoted), you're flat out ignorant.

How is it bigoted and/or ignorant you fuckwit?
It's just my opinion that under the circumstances that's what's needed.
Play it safe this time around.

**Little Chuchok** · 26-04-2019, 05:30 AM

Originally Posted by raycarey

insightful.

you're not just wrong (and bigoted), you're flat out ignorant.

It's ignorant idiotic and stupid statements like that, means that you and your ideologue like chums, will be sitting out another term.

Cujo stated a way to win, not how he thought, you thick numpty. This is why you don't deserve to win.Too stupid.

**Maanaam** · 26-04-2019, 06:05 AM

Originally Posted by Klondyke

Are they with such attitude illegible for a POTUS?

I can read them just fine.
What makes a person inelligible for POTUS by calling out the truth about Bibi and the Israeli government?
A risky gambit maybe, because of the power of the Zionist lobby, but certainly not an attitude that makes the candidate unsuitable.

**Norton** · 26-04-2019, 06:31 AM

Originally Posted by Cujo

Like it or not it needs to be a straight white male to beat Trump.

4.5% identify as LGBT
23% Non white

Obviously non white, lgbt, and white folks vote for candidates outside their particular race or sexual orientation but the going in numbers support your assessment Cujo.

**tomcat** · 26-04-2019, 06:33 AM

Joe Biden’s Proud Bipartisanship Is Not What the U.S. Needs

Only a truly partisan candidate can begin the process of bridging the nation’s political divide.
By Karl W. Smith (Bloomberg)

Now that Joe Biden is officially running for president, one crucial aspect of his pitch to voters is clear: He represents a return to the feel-good bipartisanship of an earlier era. He himself, if not (yet?) his presidential candidacy, has been endorsed by the McCain family, and he has frequently praised Republicans.

Unfortunately, this appeal is doomed to fail. Yes, Biden inspires respect across the aisle and is well-liked generally; he really does seem like the kind of person who could bring the country together. Because of America’s unique constitutional and political arrangements, however, a Biden campaign and presidency is more likely to drive the country further apart.

Most nations make a distinction between the head of state and the head of the government. The head of state is usually the president or, in constitutional monarchies, the king or queen. The head of government usually goes by the title of prime minister or chancellor. The logic behind this separation is that the head of state represents all citizens, while the head of government is there to advance the agenda of his or her own party. Consequently, the head of state is often an affable and respected figure, while the head of government is usually a hard-nosed dealmaker.

The American president is required to be both at the same time. It’s already a difficult task, and is made more difficult when the president clings too tightly to the mantle of bipartisanship.

Consider this hypothetical: There are almost certainly relatively moderate Republicans in Congress right now who would prefer Biden to President Donald Trump. What should they say when Biden starts criticizing and attacking Trump? Or when Trump starts attacking Biden?

By siding with Biden, they could exemplify the very spirit of bipartisanship he is appealing to. Moreover, you might think, speaking out is the right thing to do. Why get into politics if not to stand up for what you believe in?
But think through the consequences. Speaking out would all but guarantee they would face a primary opponent. A primary opponent would almost certainly be more extreme. And primary voters tend to be more partisan, so the extremist would likely bring down the incumbent. So the result of this brave moderate crossing party lines would be to produce a more extremist party.

This outcome is so devastatingly predictable that, in the 2018 midterm elections, dozens of Never Trump Republicans chose to retire. At least in that case, there is a chance for a new untarnished moderate to win the primary.
There is, however, a way out of this dilemma, and for the country to begin the process of political healing: The Democrats should pick an unabashedly partisan candidate. That gives moderates some space to operate. A socially moderate but free-market Republican could credibly claim to prefer Trump to, say, Bernie Sanders, while being deeply uncomfortable with both.

That moderate Republican could then serve as a bridge builder that Democrats can work with. This is a phenomenon that is already evident, ironically, on the Democratic side. Kyrsten Sinema was elected to the Senate from Arizona on an anti-Trump message, but she has long embraced a centrist platform that puts her in a good position to be a dealmaker.
Congress needs more members like her on the Republican side — and the way to get them is for the Democrats to eschew feel-good bipartisanship and elect a fire-breathing liberal. Joe Biden is by all accounts a great guy and seems to genuinely believe in reaching across the aisle. But he’s not what the Democrats, or the U.S., needs right now.

**Norton** · 26-04-2019, 06:48 AM

Originally Posted by raycarey

i'd vote for kamala harris.

"The race has gotten a fast start in 2019 and we citizens, while no doubt often seeing it as too much too soon, should still aim to learn what is truly important about the candidates."

https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/04...20-candidates/

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