Thread: 2020 US Presidential Race

Originally Posted by bsnub

In those rust belt swing states there was indeed a group of voters that switched from Democrat to Trump.

Disaffected rust belt voters embraced Trump. They had no other hope | Richard C Longworth | Opinion | The Guardian

Nothing in that link says that Democrats voted for baldy orange cunto.

It just says that previous Democrat counties went to the bald orange turd.

So I'm still waiting for evidence.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

It just says that previous Democrat counties went to the bald orange turd.

Oh, ok so that would not require previous Democratic voters to switch votes then. Thanks for educating me.

Originally Posted by bsnub

Oh, ok so that would not require previous Democratic voters to switch votes then. Thanks for educating me.

Of course it wouldn't.

What drugs are you on today?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Of course it wouldn't.

Umm ok...

Donald Trump delivered on his promise to flip the Democrats’ electoral hold on the industrial Midwest.
Across swing states — and others previously thought to be safe for Democrats — Trump colored dozens of counties red that hadn’t gone Republican in decades.

Of the nearly 700 counties that twice sent Obama to the White House, a stunning one-third flipped to support Trump.
Trump also won 194 of the 207 counties that voted for Obama either in 2008 or 2012.

The Obama-Trump voter

Who are these voters who picked the nation’s current president twice and now its president-elect, who rocketed to political prominence questioning Obama’s legitimacy?

On average, the counties that voted for Obama twice and then flipped to support Trump were 81 percent white. Obama strongholds that supported Clinton were just 55 percent white.
Of the counties that split their vote in 2008 and 2012, Trump’s were 86 percent white and Clinton’s were 71 percent white.

There was also an education gap, with Trump pulling more support from counties with more voters with a only a high school education. In Trump’s counties, 36 percent of voters had no college education, on average. In the consistently Democratic counties, only 28 percent of voters were not college educated.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...rump-counties/

Some more...

Here's Where People Voted For Barack Obama And Donald Trump In The Presidential Election : NPR

They Voted Democratic. Now They Support Trump. - The New York Times

Do I need to keep posting links?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

No because you are talking about people who vote, not Democrats.

I consider someone who voted for Obama twice a Democratic voter. How do you define a Democrat?

This is what I'm talking about.

Registered voters who didn’t vote on Election Day in November were more Democratic-leaning than the registered voters who turned out, according to a post-election poll from SurveyMonkey, shared with FiveThirtyEight. In fact, Donald Trump probably would have lost to Hillary Clinton had Republican- and Democratic-leaning registered voters cast ballots at equal rates.

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Simply put, Trump got more of his voters to turn out than Clinton did. That’s quite a turnaround from the pre-election conventional wisdom that the Clinton campaign had the better turnout machine. Of course, Clinton’s turnout operation may well have nudged many reluctant voters to the polls, but either way, it wasn’t enough. The polling numbers from SurveyMonkey indicate that Clinton was hurt dearly by the voters who decided not to vote.

Registered Voters Who Stayed Home Probably Cost Clinton The Election | FiveThirtyEight

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Everything I saw indicated that it was the Democrats NOT voting that swung it rather than the swing voters that did.

Clinton failed to generate the same enthusiasm among black voters who traditionally voted Democratic that Obama did when he ran. This allowed Trump to win in key swing states that previously voted for Obama.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

n fact, Donald Trump probably would have lost to Hillary Clinton had Republican- and Democratic-leaning registered voters cast ballots at equal rates.

This is ALWAYS the fact though. There are more Democrats than Republicans in the US. That is a fact but Democrats are younger and more fickle when it comes to voting that is just the reality.

But that is not what I am talking about. I am talking about the people that decided the election not the ones that sat on the fence. The fact is that of those who did vote the orange moron flipped enough previously loyal Democratic voters to flip those swing states.

Originally Posted by bsnub

But that is not what I am talking about. I am talking about the people that decided the election not the ones that sat on the fence.

Now you are just being silly.

If you lose a large chunk of your voters because you alienate them, and the other bloke doesn't, he wins.

It doesn't require switching sides.

That's essentially what that article states:

In fact, Donald Trump probably would have lost to Hillary Clinton had Republican- and Democratic-leaning registered voters cast ballots at equal rates.

You're right snubby, you're absolutely missing the fucking point.

I would assert that it was Democrats aggrieved at the treatment of Sanders, plus the Clinton campaign failing to pay attention to those states, that led to a lower Democrat vote, rather than Democrat voters voting for baldy orange cunto.

Originally Posted by elche

Your assessment is probably quite true, but I'm not sure we can blame Clinton for the EC loss or any loss for that matter. If black voters - and the poor white - can't see the damage they have done to themselves by not voting, or worse voting for the villain, they deserve it and only have themselves to blame. Trump has exposed the US for what it is, a largely backward country unfit for a democracy, like the villain himself.

You have pointed out the grim reality of US "democracy", where hoopla, noise and fanfare play an important role in an election. But I would suggest that any country which counts on enthusiasm to generate votes is a failed democracy. The very act of voting is a crucial part of democracy, like that of being informed. Real democracies don't require balloons and circuses. Sadly enough, I can't see things improving in the electoral ring in the US in my lifetime.

I don't fully agree, ............ yet. Accidents do happen.

If the electorate however gets fooled a second time, with things like QAnon and the shehanigans with absentee voting, I will agree.

Originally Posted by elche

Your assessment is probably quite true, but I'm not sure we can blame Clinton for the EC loss or any loss for that matter. If black voters - and the poor white - can't see the damage they have done to themselves by not voting, or worse voting for the villain, they deserve it and only have themselves to blame. Trump has exposed the US for what it is, a largely backward country unfit for a democracy, like the villain himself.

You have pointed out the grim reality of US "democracy", where hoopla, noise and fanfare play an important role in an election. But I would suggest that any country which counts on enthusiasm to generate votes is a failed democracy. The very act of voting is a crucial part of democracy, like that of being informed. Real democracies don't require balloons and circuses. Sadly enough, I can't see things improving in the electoral ring in the US in my lifetime.

Let's also not discount the affect the Comey surprise had on the election results. If it was not for James Comey Clinton would be president now.

Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai

Let's also not discount the affect the Comey surprise had on the election results. If it was not for James Comey Clinton would be president now.

True. Comey's actions were a fatal blunder that played into the hands of the villain.

Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai

Let's also not discount the affect the Comey surprise had on the election results. If it was not for James Comey Clinton would be president now.

Let's not discount Assange pandering to Putin either.

Just a side by side comparison of how things were with Clinton at this point compared to Biden....

Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai

For those who missed it. It was a great speech.

Or as right wing morons would describe it:

"Biden reads from Teleprompter, too frail to speak freely"

A link to Biden's election promises, 110 pages, so it takes a while to read. Read past the titles and get into the meat of it, a whole lot of free stuff and government control.

https://joebiden.com/wp-content/uplo...MENDATIONS.pdf

Originally Posted by Cujo

Do you want a list of Trumps election promises and lies? (wall anyone)

Lies alone over 20.000 . . . broken promises? How abut fairly well every single one - but he is promising the same things again. Better healthcare, reducing debt, creating jobs, lowering the cost of pharmaceuticals etc etc and utter morons like deeks believe him.

Originally Posted by Cujo

Anyway, having seen such an elequent speech, how's the old "Biden can't string a sentence together" thing workin' out for y'all? (to use some trumptardisms)
Fuckwits.

Yup - fuckwits

Originally Posted by deeks

Read past the titles and get into the meat of it

I doubt that you read two sentences of it.

The week of the Republican convention will go down in political history. This is going to be played out to his core supporters. The insults, lies, tweets and full speeches are going to repulsive. Watch it played out and wince. As any person who watched Joe Biden's will.