American coup in Venezuela

**harrybarracuda** · 06-07-2020, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

The EU recognises the Venezuel Foreign Minister Jorge Arreaza.

I don't think they ever "unrecognised" him.

It's just Chavismo crawling back to re-recognise the EU ambassador because he wants to try and top up the family pot with some EU handouts.

I don't see them "unrecognising" Guiado.

Are you trying to paint this as some sort of win?

**OhOh** · 10-07-2020, 11:45 AM

Where is the call from our illustrious “International Community” and “Human Rights Activists” rally to push for regime change in xxxxx.

Is China the New Indispensable Nation?

Tim Kirby

July 8, 2020

"Usually when there are protests, however minor, happening in a nation that has run afoul of the United States the “International Community” and “Human Rights Activists” rally to push for regime change. However, now that there are mass protests exploding over the United States these types of voices are completely silent. American police are free to destroy CHAZ and other camps however they see fit. This is the power of America, however this time around there sure are a lot of red flags and Communist sentiments in the mouths of the protestors. If we were still in the Cold War the Soviet Union would have been instantly blamed as spark that lit BLM. But interestingly in today’s world the only powerful Communist nation on Earth left standing is getting 0% of the blame. This is the power of China.

If we remove relevant issues related to feelings and sexuality the real big story over the last five to ten years has been the rise of the Chinese economy with all sorts of “predictions” grounded in the biases of those making them. The more Fox News/Republican you are the more Chinese “Communism” seems gilded at best and for those on the other side of the line they see China taking the 21st century as its own due to the failures of “late stage Capitalism”. We’ve all lived through years of speculation about where China is going, but finally according to Max Keiser (who is far from perfect himself in predicting the future, but has better results than most mainstream economists) it looks like this is the year the Red Chinese will finally overtake the Rugged Individualists and become the largest economy in the world. To be clear he argues that this “achievement” will be due to weathering the global economic downturn that is coming in the wake of the Covid-19 Pandemic. For the tinfoil hat crowd, yes it does seem awfully convenient that the country that started the plague may wind up benefiting the most from it.

Photo: China is rising but how far can it go?

So is China in the near future going to become like a post-WWII United States – damaged from battle but in vastly better condition than any of its competitors ready to reach out across the globe to secure its Superpower status? Let’s take a look at some arguments for and against this and Mr. Keiser’s prediction.

Arguments Against:

China has nowhere to expand to. There will be no “Red Marshall Plan” for the post Covid world and Chinese goods have already saturated international markets. This is what gave Beijing the chance to rise but does it really have anywhere new to go? Can China somehow explode further and become even more pervasive than it already is? Probably not. Perhaps this fact is why the Chinese economy (according to a variety of sources) is starting
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and we see there could be some rough waters ahead for the internal side of the Chinese economy.
China generally steals ideas and makes them on the cheap, or produces them well for foreign creators. It is hard to imagine a dominant world power that has no ideas of its own producing plastic widgets for its vassals as a key source of income. China’s role as the world’s factory excludes it from becoming the global executive.

Arguments For:

China still has the ideal conditions for a 21st century economy. Over a billion people mostly packed together around the coast, willing to work for cheap with the ability to export everything for pennies by boat. (And, even if that fails or is sabotaged by America they New Silk Road is a fantastic Plan B). China has these advantages, and although others like India want to pretend that they do, in actually they are not even close. In this way China is an “exceptional” nation as it has the collective mentality and organized manpower to win.
At the very least China plays an important role in every national economy on Earth. Even in countries a bit more trade dependent on America, they still have the Chinese coming at #2. The USA was about 50% of the world economy after WWII and today it has 23%. China is at 15% and rising, perhaps if it could hit 33% it would enter in to its own 1950s like utopia by 2050.
Things like a “lack of free press” or “rule of law” have been very overblown in their importance in a powerful economy and China is proof of this. Any of these emotional “boo-hoo they aren’t like us” arguments are garbage that needs to be burned and should be ignored.
There is nothing besides the United States stopping China from using mafia tactics to shut down competition. What are some manufacturing plants in Malaysia or South Korea going to do when the PLA threatens to break their legs? They will probably instantly back down and surrender. If Washington wants “controlled chaos” in the Middle-East – you’re done. If the Chinese want you to work less in a post American world then enjoy your permanent vacation time, or else.

As mentioned above people who write analysis pieces are very often blinded by their ideology, and when one is an advocate for a Multipolar World it is possible to see “Multipolarity” in everything, but it seems unlikely that our era will truly become “China’s Century”. Just because the world’s only Hyperpower is on the decline does not mean that a new one has to take its place. When Rome fell no other Mediterranean city automatically took its place as the lord of the West. China as nation will remain strong, it will not collapse, but it will not become a post-WWII United States. This simply does not seem to be in the cards"

https://www.strategic-culture.org/ne...nsable-nation/

**harrybarracuda** · 10-07-2020, 02:44 PM

Sorry I can't be arsed wading through reams of nonsensical chinky propaganda.

What's the point summarised in a couple of lines?

**Cujo** · 10-07-2020, 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Sorry I can't be arsed wading through reams of nonsensical chinky propaganda.

What's the point summarised in a couple of lines?

I'm with hairy on this. For some reason those chinky propaganda pieces are difficult to read. Too many extraneous words like the author is trying to use as many as possible to sound clever.

**harrybarracuda** · 10-07-2020, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by Cujo

I'm with hairy on this. For some reason those chinky propaganda pieces are difficult to read. Too many extraneous words like the author is trying to use as many as possible to sound clever.

And it probably belongs in Hoohoo's shit Yoorasia thread rather than one about Venezuela.

They like to poke their propaganda shit everywhere, these snivelling chinky sycophants.

**OhOh** · 11-07-2020, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Sorry I can't be arsed wading through

Originally Posted by Cujo

I'm with hairy on this

Complaints regarding the complete article post, complaints about high lighting the relevant sections.....

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

one about Venezuela.

Originally Posted by OhOh

our illustrious “International Community” and “Human Rights Activists” rally to push for regime change in xxxxx

and the relevance that riots are occurring worldwide.

**harrybarracuda** · 11-07-2020, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

and the relevance that riots are occurring worldwide.

Then open a worldwide rioting thread, you fucking moron.

**elche** · 12-07-2020, 06:52 AM

US intervention in Venezuela today is a textbook repeat of what the the US did to Guatemala in the 1950's. The CIA deposed the democratically elected Guatemalan President Jacobo Árbenz and ended the Guatemalan Revolution of 1944–1954. It installed the military dictatorship of Carlos Castillo Armas, the first in a series of U.S.-backed authoritarian rulers in Guatemala. Today, with the support of crippling US sanctions on Venezuela, Juan Guaidó has taken the reins in a second coup against the democratically elected leaders of the country. Chavez defeated the first coup in 2002.

**sabang** · 12-07-2020, 07:17 AM

Well, do we really need to go in depth on this- it's pretty bleedin' obvious, isn't it? The US and it's bitches recognises guido the killer pimp as President of Venezuela?

I mean, why say more?

**harrybarracuda** · 12-07-2020, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by elche

US intervention in Venezuela today is a textbook repeat of what the the US did to Guatemala in the 1950's. The CIA deposed the democratically elected Guatemalan President Jacobo Árbenz and ended the Guatemalan Revolution of 1944–1954. It installed the military dictatorship of Carlos Castillo Armas, the first in a series of U.S.-backed authoritarian rulers in Guatemala. Today, with the support of crippling US sanctions on Venezuela, Juan Guaidó has taken the reins in a second coup against the democratically elected leaders of the country. Chavez defeated the first coup in 2002.

You were doing so well until "democratically elected".

**Klondyke** · 12-07-2020, 12:05 PM

But it would be "anti-american" to condemn their acts, wouldn't be?

**elche** · 14-07-2020, 02:05 AM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

You were doing so well until "democratically elected".

Chavez and Maduro were both elected democratically.

**harrybarracuda** · 14-07-2020, 03:29 AM

Originally Posted by elche

Chavez and Maduro were both elected democratically.

Chavez was, because he was a populist and destroyed the country in the process.

Maduro isn't. He essentially blackmailed people into voting for him by threatening to starve them.

**panama hat** · 14-07-2020, 05:48 AM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Are you trying to paint this as some sort of win?

Anything to obfuscate . . .

Originally Posted by OhOh

As mentioned above

Again -try. Please try. This thread is about Venezuela. Try.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

What's the point summarised in a couple of lines?

There isn't one

Originally Posted by Klondyke

But it would be "anti-american" to condemn their acts, wouldn't be?

Why would it? OhOh's not as dumb as you but you try harder

**lom** · 14-07-2020, 07:24 AM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Maduro isn't. He essentially blackmailed people into voting for him by threatening to starve them.

How does that work?

**sabang** · 14-07-2020, 07:29 AM

Simple.

1/ America doesn't like you
2/ You call an election
3/ You win (again)
4/ The US doesn't recognise the election
5/ Americas bitches follow suit

Just ask Putin, Assad, Crimeans etc. Same old same old

**lom** · 14-07-2020, 07:53 AM

^ Well yes I agree but that is not what I asked about

**sabang** · 14-07-2020, 08:04 AM

It's TD mate.

**Klondyke** · 14-07-2020, 08:53 AM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Maduro isn't. He essentially blackmailed people into voting for him by threatening to starve them.

No chance that 'arry would disappoint...

**harrybarracuda** · 14-07-2020, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by lom

How does that work?

Quite effectively, because the thieving little shit bought his way into power again.

On May 20, Venezuela will hold presidential elections. These elections will not be fair and do not meet basic standards of transparency, according to the vast majority of the Venezuelan opposition and members of the international community. They are poised to re-elect President Nicolas Maduro for another six-year term.
The Maduro government is using the dire conditions of most Venezuelans to stay in power.
Ninety per cent of Venezuelans reported not having enough money to purchase food in a nationwide survey. The vast majority of Venezuelans eat less than three times a day and more than half have lost an average of 24 pounds.
Income-related poverty has increased to 87 per cent of households, with 60 per cent in extreme poverty. In a context of hyperinflation and scarcity, more than a third of households report not purchasing any source of protein while more than 40 per cent of households rely mostly on tubers as the basis for their dietary needs.

The government clings to a discourse that apparently favours the poor, building on the memory of the oil bonanza and the social policies erected by the Bolivarian Revolution. As the country’s economic crisis unfolded in the past five years, these policies have deteriorated or have been eliminated altogether. The few that are left are used as mechanisms of social control and political coercion.
What happened to the social policies that the government became known for? In 2015, about 2.6 million people reported being beneficiaries of the health-care program, Mission Barrio Adentro, which gives communities access to primary care. Only 200,000 people used the program in 2017.
All the government’s efforts have now turned to food distribution. In 2017, 12.6 million received government-subsidized boxes of food called CLAP boxes.
The CLAP (Comites Locales de Abastecimiento y Produccion) is a network centralized by military authorities. Boxes are distributed in a discretionary manner to neighbourhood councils without formal oversight from elected officials. The network responds directly to the president.
CLAP boxes are not delivered regularly, their prices vary and their content is inconsistent. Most people use them not as their main source of food, but as a tool for barter. Basic products such as powdered milk have been found without the necessary nutrients to provide calcium and protein to a child. The imported milk barely costs US$1 a kilo, but government officials report paying US$4 to $7. This is a corruption scheme that profits from people’s hunger.

The government distributes these boxes through an ID known as “el Carnet de la Patria” or the homeland ID. This ID has a QR code used to store information about citizens, their socio-economic conditions, the benefits they receive and where they live. It is also used to replace the traditional citizenship ID.
Government officers demand this ID as a prerequisite for common bureaucratic procedures and as a way to obtain government benefits. Most people who receive CLAP boxes report having a “Carnet de la Patria” holder in their households.
Most important, the government has used this tool to coerce the population into political participation in favour of the government.
It has done so since 2017 when it organized scarcely competitive elections where the electoral conditions and polling stations have changed considerably. The so-called “puntos rojos,” which are red tents located outside polling stations, have been equipped with computers and phone lines to facilitate voter mobilization during election day. Here, government activists demand individuals activate their ID cards before casting their vote. This procedure works together with threats and suggestions that the government may be capable of knowing who they voted for. Ultimately, what is at risks for common Venezuelans is their access to subsidized food.

Weaponizing hunger is a new low for Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro - The Globe and Mail

**lom** · 14-07-2020, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Maduro isn't. He essentially blackmailed people into voting for him by threatening to starve them.

Let's try again.
How can he starve them if they don't vote him in?

It only makes sense if he said that Guaidó would starve them.

**harrybarracuda** · 14-07-2020, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by lom

Let's try again.
How can he starve them if they don't vote him in?

It only makes sense if he said that Guaidó would starve them.

Can't you fucking read or something?

**Klondyke** · 14-07-2020, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Ninety per cent of Venezuelans reported not having enough money to purchase food in a nationwide survey. The vast majority of Venezuelans eat less than three times a day and more than half have lost an average of 24 pounds.
Income-related poverty has increased to 87 per cent of households, with 60 per cent in extreme poverty. In a context of hyperinflation and scarcity, more than a third of households report not purchasing any source of protein while more than 40 per cent of households rely mostly on tubers as the basis for their dietary needs.

How it is possible that the population starve when the country is under sanctions, blockades, stolen gold reserves, you name it?

It seems, after all - and with a surprise - that the sanctions are of no help to population...

**lom** · 14-07-2020, 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Can't you fucking read or something?

Sure I can

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Ultimately, what is at risks for common Venezuelans is their access to subsidized food.

That means that only Maduro had the subsidized food on his program and Guaidó had not.
Tough shit for Guaidó loosing by missing an election promise..

**harrybarracuda** · 14-07-2020, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by lom

Sure I can

That means that only Maduro had the subsidized food on his program and Guaidó had not.
Tough shit for Guaidó loosing by missing an election promise..

I think you're missing the blackmail element of it because you're either being obtuse or you're a fucking moron, not that it matters which.

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