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    That't a great fairy tale. What happens in the next installment? Does the prince find Cinderella at the eat-all-you-want Bat and Pangolin buffet?

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    Syria Caesar's Law Who Does It Target And How Will It Affect President Assad 1/3

    "In mid-June, the US sanctions against Syria will escalate, with the enactment of “Caesar’s Law“, sanctions designed to “pursue individuals, groups, companies, and countries that deal with the Damascus government.” This law – purportedly named after a Syrian army officer who smuggled out thousands of photos of torture by the Syrian army in prisons – is designed to prevent companies and countries from opening diplomatic channels with Syria, and to prevent them from contributing to reconstruction, investment, and the provision of spare parts for the energy and aviation sectors in Syria. The sanctions also affect the Syrian central bank, freezing the assets of individuals who deal with Syria and invalidating any visa to America. Who will abide by this law, and what are its consequences for Syria, Lebanon, and the countries that stand beside Syria?

    Torture is a common practice in many nations around the world. Syria practised torture (the case of Maher Arar) on behalf of the United States of America and the Bush administration. At least 54 countries (Middle Eastern and African nations but also western countries like Australia, Austria, Belgium, Canada, the Czech Republic, Denmark, Finland, Germany, Greece, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Spain, Sweden, United Kingdom and more) supported US “extraordinary renditions” in 2001 and secret detentions under President Barack Obama. Washington thus lacks any moral authority to claim opposition to torture as a basis for its policies. Over recent decades the US has become notorious for authorising gruesome forms of torture, stripping people of their most basic rights, and generally violating human rights in defiance of the Geneva convention and above all the 1984 UN convention against torture. James Mitchell, a CIA contract psychiatrist who helped draft and apply “enhanced interrogation techniques“, disclosed several methods approved by the US administration to torture prisoners placed in detention in “black sites” outside the US, illegally but with official authorisation. Images of torture in Abu Ghraib prisons showed the world that the US use of torture and illegal methods of interrogation against detainees in Iraq.

    Thus, US sanctions on Syria cannot plausibly indicate US concern for human values and opposition to the abuse of power. Moreover, the US administration’s adherence to its own Constitution is in grave doubt, given the reaction of the security forces against demonstrators in America in response to widespread racial discrimination and racially motivated police attacks.

    These new US sanctions, under the name of Caesar Syria Civilian Protection Act, can in no way be ascribed to some moral value, but rather to the failure by the US, Israel and several Western and Arab countries to change the regime in Syria, and their refusal to acknowledge defeat. They keep trying, and in this case, imagine that through harsh sanctions against Syria and its allies they can achieve what they have failed to accomplish through many years of war and destruction.

    In the 1990s, the US imposed sanctions on Iraq (oil-for-food). Hundreds of thousands of Iraqi citizens died as a result of US sanctions on Iraq without Saddam Hussein’s regime and his entourage being affected. Consequently, we can predict that US sanctions in general primarily affect the population and not the leaders.

    The US fails to realize that it is no longer the only superpower in the world, and in the Middle East in particular. Russia has done what many thought was impossible and elbowed its way into the Levant to remain in Syria and confront NATO at the borders. China has followed as a rising economic superpower to make its way into the Middle East, mainly Iraq and Syria. Iran has already a strong presence and powerful allies in Lebanon, Syria, Iraq and Palestine. These three countries, along with Syria, are playing a leading role in actively eliminating US hegemony in this part of the world.

    In Beirut, the government cannot adopt and abide by “Caesar’s Law” and close its gates to Syria. Lebanon’s only land borders are through Syria since Israel is considered an enemy. Any national economic plan to revitalise the abundant local agriculture sector and export to Syria, Iraq or other countries in the Gulf would fail if “Caesar’s Law” were put into effect. Any regenerated industry or import/export from the Middle Eastern countries must go through the “Syrian gate”. Besides, the current Lebanese government risks falling if it implements the US sanctions. Washington is not providing any financial assistance to the Lebanese economy in crisis and clearly has no intention of offering necessary and immediate help to the crippled Lebanese economy. The US, as has become the norm, seeks to impose sanctions and conditions on the nations it targets but offers little in return to affected countries. In the case of Lebanon, its budget deficit is close to 100 billion dollars following decades of corruption and mismanagement.

    The government of Prime Minister Hassan Diab is, theoretically, a technocratic and non-political government. It does not consider the US an enemy but neither is it likely to follow US dictates, since it is close to the “March 8 Alliance” whose strongest members are not US friendly. Hence, the only solution for this government or any future government is to go east towards China, Russia and Iran. America will likely lose in Lebanon, with its “March 14 Alliance” allies rendered voiceless and powerless.

    There is no doubt that the Christian party within the “March 8” political group will be challenged and affected by US sanctions. These have an international relationship to look after and maintain as well as external bank accounts. Regardless, “Caesar’s Law” cannot be implemented in Lebanon, whatever the consequences of its violation.

    As for Iran, it has already been subject to “maximum pressure” and harsh sanctions increasing year after year since the victory of the Islamic Revolution in 1979, for daring to reject US hegemony. Hence, it has no consideration whatsoever for the US “Caesar’s Law”. Even more, Iran is certainly not unhappy that the US blocked the return and reopening of Gulf countries’ embassies – who dare not disobey the US wishes – in Syria. Gulf companies are no longer in the field as competitors to divide shares in Iran’s reconstruction contracts related to projects in the field of industry, trade and energy. Iran has already challenged US and EU sanctions on Syria by sending oil tankers to Damascus. Also, Tehran sent five tankers to Venezuela, another country suffering from harsh US sanctions. The Gulf and European countries – US’s allies – are thus losing their opportunity to return to Syria, to be involved in its reconstruction and to regain their foothold in the Levant.

    As for Russia, it has just signed a deal with the Syrian government to expand its military airport and naval bases in Tartous, Hasaka and Hmeymim. Furthermore, it is supplying Syria with modern military hardware and fulfilling the Syrian army needs to come up to full strength. It supplied Syria with squadrons of the updated MiG-29 fighters this month in a clear message to the US and its “Caesar Act” sanctions.

    As for China, it is now in a “cold war” situation over US accusations that Beijing is responsible for the outbreak of COVID-19. The US is seeking to prevent Beijing from doing business with the European market, and particularly to prevent Europe from embracing China’s 5G network and technology. The US administration is also pushing Israel to curtail trade with China and to call off its billion-dollar contracts signed with China to avoid “hurting the relationship with the US”. Moreover, the Iraqi-US relationship took a severe blow when the former Prime Minister Adel Abdel Mahdi signed off on a $20 billion “oil for reconstruction” agreement with China. Thus China, already involved in different projects in Syria, is not likely to abide by “Caesar’s Law”.

    As for Syria, it will never accept starvation nor buckle under the US’s economic siege. President Bashar al-Assad is reconstructing the liberated areas under the government forces’ controls. He is rebuilding infrastructure for the Syrian population present in the homeland, excluding the areas abandoned by refugees who fled the country many of whom will not return. The Syrian government is not suffering from the absence of the five to seven million refugees in Idlib, in refugee camps outside the control of the government or in nearby bordering countries. Those refugees are financed and looked after by the international community and the United Nations. This relieves the central government of a considerable financial burden.

    Consequently, Syria does not need to reconstruct the refugees’ homes or provide them with oil, electricity, schools, infrastructure and subsidies for as long as Western countries want them to stay outside Syria. The international community wants these refugees to remain away from the central government’s control and is doing everything in its power to prevent their return so as to be able to reject a future Presidential election- where Bashar al-Assad’s victory is guaranteed.

    President Assad will work with Iran, Russia and China to secure his needs. Iran has defied US-European sanctions by sending oil tankers to Syria through the Straits of Gibraltar twice. Iran is building drug and medicine factories in Syria, and is also working on other projects that it shares with Russia and China. Syria is heading toward the east, not the west, since that it is the only remaining option left to it. This is the long-awaited dream of the “Axis of Resistance”. Lebanon, Syria and Iraq are looking to Asia to reverse the US-European sanctions against them and their allies in the Middle East. By imposing further unaffordable sanctions on Syria, the US is helping the Levant come out of the US sphere of influence and presence.

    Iran, Russia, China and Syria are uniting as allies with an integrated project against US hegemony. There is no place for the domination of one state over another in this gathering of nations because solidarity is required to help Syria, for example, stand as a healthy and reliable country to confront the US. Their strength grows as the weakness of the US becomes more apparent, at a time when President Donald Trump is struggling domestically and his world influence is weakening. Washington is unilaterally imposing sanctions on nations and populations, forcing some allies to follow but also forcing them to consider seriously future possibilities for detaching from this burdensome “umbilical cord.”

    The US “Caesar’s Law” aims to submit and suppress the Syrian nation and people, as Washington has attempted with Iran and Venezuela, so far failing miserably. This policy can no longer be effective because the Russian – Chinese – Iranian alliance has now become important to many countries in the Middle East. The influence of this alliance now extends to the Caribbean Sea. “Caesar’s Law” will turn against its architects: “he who prepared the poison shall end up eating it.”

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    Well we know that bloke's just a liar so it's hard to take anything he says seriously.

    This policy can no longer be effective because the Russian – Chinese – Iranian alliance has now become important to many countries in the Middle East.
    He's lost his marbles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Well we know that bloke's just a liar
    Of course he does 'arry.

    Don't forget your pills dear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Of course he does 'arry.

    Don't forget your pills dear.
    Already documented in this thread just for you HooHoo:

    His little fairy tale about Hezbollah, Iran and Russia not backing Syria for the first two years when they were at it like a rat up a drainpipe.

    Idiots like you might believe his nonsense though.


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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Idiots like you might believe his nonsense though.
    There's no 'might' about it . . .

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    Why the Sudden U.S. Keenness for Arms Control Talks With Russia?

    "The answer to the above question comes down to one word: China.U.S. envoy Marshall Billingslea is, rather belatedly, making enthusiastic sounds about arms control talks to be held with Russia later this month. The talks are scheduled for June 22 in Vienna. The Kremlin has confirmed the venue and discussions, with deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov representing the Russian side.

    On announcing the June 22 meeting with Russia, Billingslea showed an unseemly haste to link the event to the possibility of China also attending. “China also invited. Will China show and negotiate in good faith?” he added.


    That sounds odd, if not inappropriate. The talks are supposed to be bilateral efforts by the world’s foremost nuclear powers to get down to serious negotiations on global security. After all, the U.S. and Russia possess over 90 per cent of the world’s total number of warheads. Why the haste by the U.S. side to get China involved at this stage?


    The U.S. envoy sounds more like a dodgy salesman than a principled negotiator on arms control. Billingslea’s career history as an accused advocate of torture techniques under President GW Bush and his stint at the Treasury with responsibility for imposing sanctions on other nations does not inspire confidence that he has expertise in arms control issues nor has serious scruples about advancing global peace.


    From previous announcements by the Trump administration, it is clear that the real U.S. aim is to use the talks with Russia as a way to rope China into trilateral arms control. This is hardly the spirit of trust and genuine negotiations.


    The Trump administration has been abandoning nuclear security treaties with gusto. Last month it walked away from the Open Skies Treaty. In 2018, it ditched the international nuclear accord with Iran, and last year binned the Intermediate-range Nuclear Forces (INF) treaty. The latter step gravely undermines security architecture in Europe. The American side disingenuously accused Russia of breaching the INF, but it has since become clear that Washington wanted out of that treaty in order to have a free hand to confront China with short and medium-range missiles.


    Under Trump, the U.S. has promoted the endeavor to weaponize outer space in violation of an existing United Nations’ treaty.

    His administration has also adopted a mercurial, non-committed attitude towards the New START accord governing long-range nuclear warheads. Despite repeated appeals from Moscow for clarity, the U.S. side has demurred on whether it will extend the treaty which is due to expire in February 2021. If START is abandoned – the last remaining arms control treaty – then there is a real danger of a new global arms race being unleashed.

    The U.S., it seems, is using veiled threats of leaving New START as a leverage point on Russia to corral China. Such a negotiating ploy shows a reckless, gambling disregard for global security and peace. It also illustrates a total lack of integrity and principle.


    For its part, China this week said it has no intention of joining trilateral talks in Vienna. Beijing points out that its nuclear arsenal is a fraction of those belonging to the U.S. and Russia. It is up to Washington and Moscow to first drastically reduce their nuclear inventories before Beijing is obligated to join wider efforts for disarmament.


    “We noticed that the United States has been dragging China into the issue…whenever it is raised, with the intention of deviating from its responsibility,” said foreign ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying.


    Given the relentless vilification of China by the Trump administration over the Covid-19 pandemic, trade and cybersecurity, Hua rightly added that Washington’s claims to want to negotiate in good faith seem “extremely ridiculous and even surreal”.


    Russia’s envoy Sergei Ryabkov has cautiously welcomed the Vienna meeting, but it is noticeable that Moscow is keeping expectations low key. Ryabkov ruled out Moscow being used in any way to put pressure on China to become involved in trilateral discussions. He said Russia “respects” China’s position.


    The Russian diplomat also made a valid point about the incongruity of American demands for China to join arms limitations at this stage while the U.S. makes no such demands on its allies, Britain and France. Both of these NATO members have nuclear arsenals of 200-300 warheads, which is approximately the same as China’s. The U.S. and Russia each have a total stockpile of 6,000 warheads, according to a 2019 tally made by the Arms Control Association. If China is to be included in arms limitation negotiations, then why shouldn’t the same obligation be made on Britain and France?

    There’s a discernible lack of credibility about the U.S. side in its present approach to global nuclear security. On one hand, it is tearing up treaties, as well as ramping up military forces in Russia’s Arctic region and in the South China Sea. Yet now the other hand is being extended in a supposed willingness to negotiate on arms control with Russia in a bilateral forum which it wants opened up to include China.


    In the interests of diplomacy and keeping communication lines open, Russia is participating in the talks in Vienna. Regrettably, however, the words and deeds so far from the Trump administration do not augur well for substantive achievement.


    Unfortunately, there is little sign of genuine desire for arms control by the American side. Its conduct is one of pursuing an ulterior agenda and exploiting nuclear fears for its own selfish geopolitical gain regarding China.

    That’s not a premise for progress."


    https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2020/06/12/why-sudden-us-keenness-for-arms-control-talks-with-russia/

    Nuclear Weapons: Who Has What at a Glance

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    https://www.armscontrol.org/sites/default/files/images/Factsheets/WarheadsGraphic_190619_900px.png

    Russia and US to resume nuclear disarmament talks in Vienna this month


    https://www.euronews.com/2020/06/10/russia-and-us-to-resume-nuclear-disarmament-talks-in-vienna-this-month

    Strategic stability consultations to be held in Russia-US format without China — diplomat

    https://tass.com/politics/1165731

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Why the Sudden U.S. Keenness for Arms Control Talks With Russia?
    To be re-phrased . . .

    Putin proposed the talks in the first place, didn't invite China who then chucked a tanty and now says they won't attend - after having been asked

    Bunch of spoiled big babies in Peking

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post


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    It has to be a helluva job to "control"...

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Putin proposed the talks in the first place
    As one of the two countries bound by the treaty, THE LORD, has an obligation to try and extend the treaty. His requests, to the other signatory, have been rebuffed until now.

    Hence the article regarding the treaty which is being discussed soon.

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    New START (Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty) (Russian: СНВ-III, SNV-III) is a nuclear arms reduction treaty between the United States and the Russian Federation with the formal name of Measures for the Further Reduction and Limitation of Strategic Offensive Arms. It was signed on 8 April 2010 in Prague,[3][4] and, after ratification,[5][6] entered into force on 5 February 2011.[1] It is expected to last at least until 2021."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_START

    Some may believe the
    New START (Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty should be replaced/it's members extended.

    If so, who should be be invited to join the discussion regarding it's replacement?

    1. The two currently bound by the treaty, that have the largest existing
    nuclear weapon stockpile only?

    2. All countries, that have a nuclear weapons
    stockpile?

    3. Russia, USA plus a selected subset,
    of countries, that have a nuclear weapons stockpile. This is one list, United Kingdom, France, Israel, Pakistan,India, China, North Korea ?

    4. All of 3., plus all countries where nuclear weapons are stockpiled, ready for use, by the weapons owners
    This is one list, Germany, Italy, Spain, Japan, South Korea, Turkey. Possibly Australia?

    How to proceed if some decline to be bound?

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Putin proposed the talks in the first place
    As one of the two countries bound by the treaty, THE LORD, has an obligation to try and extend the treaty. His requests, to the other signatory, have been rebuffed until now.

    Hence the article regarding the treaty which is being discussed soon.

    "
    New START (Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty) (Russian: СНВ-III, SNV-III) is a nuclear arms reduction treaty between the United States and the Russian Federation with the formal name of Measures for the Further Reduction and Limitation of Strategic Offensive Arms. It was signed on 8 April 2010 in Prague,[3][4] and, after ratification,[5][6] entered into force on 5 February 2011.[1] It is expected to last at least until 2021."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_START

    Some may believe the
    New START (Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty should be replaced/it's members extended.

    If so, who should be be invited to join the discussion regarding it's replacement?

    1. The two currently bound by the treaty, that have the largest existing
    nuclear weapon stockpile only?

    2. All countries, that have a nuclear weapons
    stockpile?

    3. Russia, USA plus a selected subset,
    of countries, that have a nuclear weapons stockpile. This is one list, United Kingdom, France, Israel, Pakistan,India, China, North Korea ?

    4. All of 3., plus all countries where nuclear weapons are stockpiled, ready for use, by the weapons owners
    This is one list, Germany, Italy, Spain, Japan, South Korea, Turkey. Possibly Australia?

    How to proceed if some decline to be bound?

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    You can try to, as usual, blind everyone with bluster and bullshit . . . still doesn't change the fact that you're wrong

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    To be honest, can you trust Mr. Shithole and Putin anyway?

    Might as well wait until they have new leaders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    To be honest, can you trust Mr. Shithole and Putin anyway?
    No, we better trust another Mr. X (please no names here) who always insists on keeping all his (and of his predecessor's) treaties...

    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Might as well wait until they have new leaders.
    Or we will trust more to his successor (please hurry up...)

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    EU, China draw closer in post-pandemic setting

    Posted on June 12, 2020 by M. K. BHADRAKUMAR

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    China’s ‘New Silk Road’ freight train to Europe.

    "The 10th annual Strategic Dialogue between the European Union and China on June 9 can be regarded as marking the resumption of structured big-power diplomacy in the post-Covid-19 setting. It was both a symbolic and substantive event, preparing the ground for the forthcoming EU-Summit.
    At the virtual event on June 9, the EU and Chinese sides were represented by the High Representative/Vice-President Josep Borrell and the State Councillor and Foreign Affairs Minister of China Wang Yi respectively.

    Europe and China, two major poles in the emerging world order have pulled through the devastating pandemic and are re-engaging.

    They find a world order that is in great transition.


    The very fact that the EU-China Summit — and not the G7 Summit that President Trump was keen to host in Washington on June 26-27, as originally planned — will now mark the commencement of the post-Covid-19 era in international politics politics speaks volumes about the world order in transition.


    The EU no longer includes Britain; the pandemic has not only ravaged the European economies but has left deep wounds that will take time to heal; Europe stares at a long unpaved road to recovery; the EU itself is badly rattled with the cohesion of the group even more shaky than before.


    Surely, the pandemic has weakened China too, but it is better placed than the US, Russia or the EU in being already on the road to recovery. Importantly, it finds itself in a unique position to fuel the recovery of the economies of other big powers.

    On the other hand, its own fortunes are heavily dependent on the speed and extent of repair to the global supply chains that takes place in a near term — for which the EU is a crucial partner. The big plus for China is its massive financial reserves, which it can bring to bear not only on its reconstruction and rehabilitation but also to inject new vitality to its global engagements.

    Both the EU and China are intensely conscious that the economic repercussions of the pandemic must not be understood as an ordinary problem that macroeconomics can solve or alleviate.


    They understand that the world is witnessing a fundamental shift in the very nature of the global economy. For both, succinctly put, the immediate crisis is one of both supply and demand. Supply has been disrupted because companies have closed down or reduced their workloads, and demand has drastically shrunk.


    But what gives impetus and urgency to their strategic dialogue is that neither the EU nor China can afford to be ‘natural’ or ‘self-sufficient’ economies. Both are avid globalisers and big-time participants in international trade, which entails, inevitably, a division of labour between them — and stakeholders in multilateralism.


    For both the EU and China, their relations with the US have become problematic. In the case of China, the coronavirus crisis has sent the relationship with the US spiralling, which has touched the most dangerous point in the half century since their historic rapprochement in early 1970s.


    In the case of the EU too, the pandemic brought to the surface the simmering irritants and mistrust in the transatlantic partnership. When Europe grappled with the epochal crisis, the American ally was not only nowhere to be seen but had unilaterally erected walls to sequester itself. It was China that held Italy’s hand.

    Meanwhile, Europe watched with disbelief, pity and disdain the Trump administration’s incompetency in combating Covid-19. The US’s image suffered a lethal blow in the recent months.

    Seventy-three percent of Germans say their impression of the US has worsened due to the COVID-19 pandemic, according to an opinion poll conducted jointly by the Koerber Institute in Germany and the Pew Institute in the US. Only thirty-seven percent of Germans now prioritise their country’s relationship with the US, a 13 percentage point decline through the previous six-month period since last November.


    In reality, in both cases (with the EU and China alike), the deterioration in the bilateral relations with the US accelerated during the pandemic crisis but its roots are in longer term trends.


    As early as 2017, German Chancellor Angela Merkel said that Germany and the EU can no longer rely on the US. Many European countries have also had disputes with Washington in terms of 5G technology and the defence spending of NATO countries. A rising trend of unilateralism and protectionism in the US under Trump has driven Brussels and Washington apart.

    The EU no longer reposes the old confidence in the US’ leadership role and Euro-atlanticism is in retreat, replaced by a pervasive distaste and disillusionment with Washington’s disinterest in upholding the values of a liberal international order.
    On the other hand, China now has the power and the confidence to challenge the US across many fronts even as their power gap is dramatically shrinking.

    China welcomes the EU’s consequent ‘Ostpolitik’. Beijing is pinning hopes on Germany and France to keep stable and sound ties with China. President Xi Jinping is paying attention personally. Last week, Xi made his fourth telephone call this year to German Chancellor Angela Merkel on Wednesday, followed by his fifth of the year to French President Emmanuel Macron on Friday.


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    Chinese Premier Li Keqiang and German Chancellor Angela Merkel since had a video meeting this week to flesh out a road map for Sino-German relations, which have become pivotal in the overall China-EU cooperation.

    The EU perspective on China is quintessentially pragmatic characterised by the willingness for constructive engagement. To be sure, there are lingering issues in the relationship — delay in concluding a Comprehensive Agreement on Investment; market access, level playing field in trade and business promotion, and reciprocity; human rights issues.
    However, Borrell in his press conference following the 3-hour talks with Wang on Tuesday made the following remarks underscoring the importance of China in the world order:“China is without doubt one of the key global players. This is a fact, and China will increase its global role. We have to engage with China to achieve our global objectives, based on our interests and values.”


    • “Our relationship has to continue developing. It is important to have exchanges of views. We base our relationship on mutual trust and on the will for cooperation. This has to be built by having meetings, discussing, presenting their points of view, noting the disagreements, trying to look for agreements. For sure, we have not found an agreement on everything, the work continues.”



    • “It is clear that we do not have the same political system. It is clear that China defends its political system as we do with ours. It is clear that China has a global ambition. But, at the same time, I do not think that China is playing a role that can threaten world peace. They committed once and again to the fact that they want to be present in the world and play a global role, but they do not have military ambitions and they do not want to use force and participate in military conflicts.”



    • “What do we mean mean by ‘rivalry’? Well, let’s go over this word. Sometimes, there are differences on interests and on values. That is a fact of life. It is also a fact of life that we have to cooperate, because you cannot imagine how we can solve the climate challenge without strong cooperation with China. You cannot build a multilateral world without China participating in it effectively, not in a ‘Chinese way’ [perhaps] but in a way that can be accepted by everybody.”


    In a rebuff to Washington, Borrell concluded:

    “We [EU-China] are not on a confrontational line; we just want to have realistic relationships in order to defend our values and our interests.”


    https://indianpunchline.com/eu-china...demic-setting/

    Chinese premier holds video meeting with German chancellor


    http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/202..._139132276.htm

    EU-China Strategic Dialogue: Remarks by High Representative/Vice-President Josep Borrell at the press conference


    https://eeas.europa.eu/headquarters/...rrell-press_en
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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    You can try to, as usual, blind everyone with bluster and bullshit . . . still doesn't change the fact that you're wrong
    Why don't you respond to the post. Of course it's my opinion. The facts are before you. If you dispute them lay your truths out and discuss them here.

    Whether I'm right or wrong is irrelevant to the outcome.

    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    To be honest, can you trust Mr. Shithole and Putin anyway?

    Might as well wait until they have new leaders.
    'arry the only person anybody can "trust" is themselves. But us humans are devils, we change our minds.

    As Klondyke has suggested, will you trust theor succesors any better. Uncle Xi appears to be there legitimately for life. THE LORD, subject to a national poll, seems to be able to legitimately keep his position for another ten years +.

    Are you seriouly wanting to wait for them to retire?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Why don't you respond to the post. Of course it's my opinion. The facts are before you. If you dispute them lay your truths out and discuss them here.

    Whether I'm right or wrong is irrelevant to the outcome.



    'arry the only person anybody can "trust" is themselves. But us humans are devils, we change our minds.

    As Klondyke has suggested, will you trust theor succesors any better. Uncle Xi appears to be there legitimately for life. THE LORD, subject to a national poll, seems to be able to legitimately keep his position for another ten years +.

    Are you seriouly wanting to wait for them to retire?
    It would be preferable if someone would put a hollowpoint through their skulls.

    But hopefully the deterrent of everyone having nukes will mitigate the risk of nuclear war until these two twats and baldy orange cunto are replaced with nice people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    It would be preferable if someone would put a hollowpoint through their skulls.
    A well proven procedure, sometimes broadcast live around the world (I do not dare to write where...)
    (sometimes the bullet is very "magic"...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    A well proven procedure
    Especially in China and Russia . . . <those words were dared written here>

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Especially in China and Russia . . . <those words were dared written here>
    Well they could all have a nice cup of Vlad's polonium tea, that would work for me.

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    ^Why not Novichok? Already forgotten?
    (BTW, any news about the father and daughter? Reports are about new identity in NZ. Wondering whether any connection with our man in NZ...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    Wondering
    That's what the vacuous do . . . and there are several posters in and from NZ

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    That's what the vacuous do . . .
    Vacuous
    definition is - emptied of or lacking content.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post


    Vacuous
    definition is - emptied of or lacking content.
    Like when you waffle, for example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    for example
    No.

    My so called "waffles" are outside your comfort zone which frustrates you, causing public outburts. I'm sure there is a psychological name for your disorder.

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